Pedophile political party

[Dr.Boo]

This is a true story. I know, I live in the country right next to the Netherlands, and court has allowed a peadophile party to take part in the elections.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1822972,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5187010.stm

I think all peadophiles should be hanged.

[NuclearDreams]

...skinned and hanged. Burned, skinned and hanged. Beaten, burned skinned and hanged.....ah hell just shoot em. :squint:

[Statalyzer]

Castration would be far more appropriate.

[wthigon]

Wasn't there a thread about this already? If not then my bad...

[sterio]

Well, I agree with them being allowed to run. As has often been said, "the greatest threat to democracy is democracy itself", that is, in a democracy, anybody can attemt to gain power, even those against the values of the society, even those against democracy. And if there was any chance of them gaining influence, I'd be very afraid. But there isn't. The party only has, what, two members or something? And the chances of anybody voting for them apart from pedophiles is very very small. And how many pedophiles can there be? Hardly many enough to give the party a seat in the parliament.

[Statalyzer]

I don't think you should be allowed to run based on something that is criminal behavior.

Just like you have free speech to talk down the government in public and insult parliament and say they all deserve to go to hell, but not free speech to incite a riot bent on holding the parliament building under seige.

[sterio]

But if it's illegal to run based on something that's illegal, it basically means it's illegal to get elected on the platform of changing laws. And democracy won't work if that's the case. And if it were, they'd just say they don't mean to change that law, and find something else that can make them popular, and then change it. Unless it wouldn't be allowed to change it, but as I said, democracies don't work that way.

[Derek]

Yeah, you can't stop them from trying, but I really don't think we're going to see any presidents from this party anytime soon.

[EliteGi]

Any feeling we ever posess is natural. What makes anyone a unique individual depends on how we act upon our feelings. Paedophilia must be uninmaginably hard for someone to come to terms with. I imagine it's enough to turn a normal person insane.

Paedophilia is not a crime. It is a natural feelings that some (somewhat deeply unlucky) individuals posess. I believe if two individuals want to be together, there should be nothing stopping them (whether it be a man and a woman, a woman and a woman or a man and a dog for crying out loud). As long as both parties are willing, I don't see a problem (beyond possible health scares in the last example :p). Children don't have huge feelings of sexual desire (at least not until they hit puberty) so they don't make a part of a sexual relationship. For this reason, there cannot be succesful sexual relationships for children. That's what makes paedophilia different to heterosexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality.

Now hear me out; I myself think it's incredibly wrong to abuse a child, whether it be physical contact or by pornography. Anyone who does so should have a punishment to more than fit the crime. Any paedophile that abuses a child should be punished.

But the view society has to paedophiles is disgusting. Any individual unlucky enough to have these feelings should have the option to seek therapy, treatment... anything to help them deal with their feelings, rather than become ovewhelmed and succumb to the physical desires.

I know some of you will think I'm a right twat for saying all of this, but I believe society is ignorant to paedophilia. Deeply ignorant. Get support groups up, get helplines going and get the media opening up to those who have had feelings of paedophilia. Rather than show all of this hatred to paedophiles, let's open up and solve this "problem" from the inside.

[El Sol Morado]

Any feeling we ever posess is natural. What makes anyone a unique individual depends on how we act upon our feelings. Paedophilia must be uninmaginably hard for someone to come to terms with. I imagine it's enough to turn a normal person insane.

Paedophilia is not a crime. It is a natural feelings that some (somewhat deeply unlucky) individuals posess. I believe if two individuals want to be together, there should be nothing stopping them (whether it be a man and a woman, a woman and a woman or a man and a dog for crying out loud). As long as both parties are willing, I don't see a problem (beyond possible health scares in the last example :p). Children don't have huge feelings of sexual desire (at least not until they hit puberty) so they don't make a part of a sexual relationship. For this reason, there cannot be succesful sexual relationships for children. That's what makes paedophilia different to heterosexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality.

Now hear me out; I myself think it's incredibly wrong to abuse a child, whether it be physical contact or by pornography. Anyone who does so should have a punishment to more than fit the crime. Any paedophile that abuses a child should be punished.

But the view society has to paedophiles is disgusting. Any individual unlucky enough to have these feelings should have the option to seek therapy, treatment... anything to help them deal with their feelings, rather than become ovewhelmed and succumb to the physical desires.

I know some of you will think I'm a right twat for saying all of this, but I believe society is ignorant to paedophilia. Deeply ignorant. Get support groups up, get helplines going and get the media opening up to those who have had feelings of paedophilia. Rather than show all of this hatred to paedophiles, let's open up and solve this "problem" from the inside.

I, and I'm not sure whether this is good or bad, feel the same way you do about them being able to run for office. The one major thing I'd like to note, though, is that the reason that society, for the most part, finds pedophiles digusting is because the majority of the time, if not all ways, that we hear about pedophiles is because they've gone out and molested some little boy or girl. Rarely do you hear the term pedophile used in a sympathetic way to a person who is aware that they have a disorder and is trying to seek help.

Anyway, if you're in a country where there is even a chance that the majority, or even a large portion of the minority, would vote to put a member of a "Pedophile Political Party" into any office, let alone head of state, you need to GTFO real quick.

BTW, guys, you shouldn't hate all pedophiles, just the ones who act out their fantasies with other people...other unwilling people. Although, for it to actually be a pedophilia driven act, the victim is, more likely than not, legally unable to be willing. umm, yeah, i think.

ROFLCOPTER GOING DOWN after i read this at the website:

"The new party wants to legalise the possession of child pornography and to allow pornography to be shown on daytime television. Violent pornography would be allowed after the evening watershed, young children would receive sex education and youths over the age of 16 would be allowed to appear in pornographic films. Sex with animals would also be allowed by the party, although abuse of animals would remain illegal."

lawl, i dunno, i guess just reading that stuff in such a serious tone is pretty funny to me.

[NuclearDreams]

Any feeling we ever posess is natural. What makes anyone a unique individual depends on how we act upon our feelings. Paedophilia must be uninmaginably hard for someone to come to terms with. I imagine it's enough to turn a normal person insane.

Paedophilia is not a crime. It is a natural feelings that some (somewhat deeply unlucky) individuals posess. I believe if two individuals want to be together, there should be nothing stopping them (whether it be a man and a woman, a woman and a woman or a man and a dog for crying out loud). As long as both parties are willing, I don't see a problem (beyond possible health scares in the last example :p). Children don't have huge feelings of sexual desire (at least not until they hit puberty) so they don't make a part of a sexual relationship. For this reason, there cannot be succesful sexual relationships for children. That's what makes paedophilia different to heterosexuality, bisexuality and homosexuality.

Now hear me out; I myself think it's incredibly wrong to abuse a child, whether it be physical contact or by pornography. Anyone who does so should have a punishment to more than fit the crime. Any paedophile that abuses a child should be punished.

But the view society has to paedophiles is disgusting. Any individual unlucky enough to have these feelings should have the option to seek therapy, treatment... anything to help them deal with their feelings, rather than become ovewhelmed and succumb to the physical desires.

I know some of you will think I'm a right twat for saying all of this, but I believe society is ignorant to paedophilia. Deeply ignorant. Get support groups up, get helplines going and get the media opening up to those who have had feelings of paedophilia. Rather than show all of this hatred to paedophiles, let's open up and solve this "problem" from the inside.

Paedophilia is not a sexual orientation, nor is it something that someone is born with like a genetic defect, it is a choice. And because someone chooses to act upon that choice then he or she deserves the punishment. Molesting children is not just a crime against the books but more so a crime against a defenseless child, which in my opinion the offender deserves the death penalty.

Child molesters and those who support them are parasites that need to be exterminated.

[El Sol Morado]

Paedophilia is not a sexual orientation, nor is it something that someone is born with like a genetic defect, it is a choice. And because someone chooses to act upon that then he or she deserves the punishment. Molesting children is not just a crime against the books but more so a crime against a defenseless child, which in my opinion the offender deserves the death penalty.

pedophilia
One entry found for pedophilia.


Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pe-d&-'fi-lE-&, 'pE-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object

pedophile
One entry found for pedophile.


Main Entry: pe·do·phile
Pronunciation: 'pe-d&-"fI(-&)l, 'pE-
Function: noun
: one affected with pedophilia

A pedophile isn't necessarily a person who has sex with little kids. Rather it's a disorder where a person has a sexual perversion towards kids. They don't exactly have to act out their desires in order to be a pedophile. And I'm pretty sure people don't just "choose" to be pedophiles. I almost want to say it falls in the same catagory as being gay as far as choice is invovled, but I don't think I want to go that far, because everything doesn't exactly sync up properly.

[EliteGi]

Paedophilia is not a sexual orientation, nor is it something that someone is born with like a genetic defect, it is a choice. And because someone chooses to act upon that then he or she deserves the punishment. Molesting children is not just a crime against the books but more so a crime against a defenseless child, which in my opinion the offender deserves the death penalty.
It is not a choice, that would make no sense. You can't decide to find anyone/thing sexually attractive. There are probably actions that can be taken to help avoid the sexual attraction though, and for that reason I think paedophiles should be given a helpline - a lifeline.

I agree that molesting children is ****ing wrong. I also believe the best way to avoid this in future societies is to help paedophiles now. It will take time, but hopefully within this century paedophiles will be openly accepted by society; paedophiles who live normal lives.

If you read that paragraph and thought I meant paedophillic pornography or child molestation should be openly accepted, that's certainly not what I was saying.

[El Sol Morado]

haha, yeah, don't get it twisted. I am totally against this pedophile political party crap. That's rediculous.

[Dr.Boo]

I'm not gonna discuss the point wether peadophilia is a choice or disease. But what I do know, is that when someone rapes or kills a child it IS a choice. He chose to sexually pleasure him by killing or ruining a child's life.
Once he does a thing like that, there is abslutely no reason for him to stay free any longer. Nothing, and I do mean nothing justifies the rape or killing from an innocent being especially if it's a child.

It has also been proven that peadophiles are the least likely to be cured by a therapy. 80% of the peadophiles who went in therapy, end up by doing it again. We've had a case here in Belgium recently. A guy raped a 13 year old years ago. Got 4 years of prison (yeah only 4 miserable years). He got out, raped one again, was sent in a psychiatric clinic, was released after a few weeks once more, and now, a month or so ago, he raped and killed two 10 year olds. Now he's in jail, and won't probably come out of it ever.

But why the hell did it take 4 rapes and two murders before this asshole was locked up forever? I say **** this crap. As soon as you did womething wrong to a child, you don't deserve therapy, you don't deserve prison, you don't deserve protection. All you deserve is death. Nothing more. Just death. Same goes for those assholes downloading and creating child porn.

[NuclearDreams]

I didn't say that anyone here agrees with pedophilia. But I stand by my statement. You can look up as many dictionary explanations as you want, but to think about having sex with children is a decision you make not some precondition you are born with. Anyone who thinks that a pedophilia is a product of a birth defect or some precondition is an idiot. If someone realizes that he or she needs help before they act upon their thoughts then fine. But after a person inflicts his or her desires (not genetic precondition) on a child then the only solution for the offender is death.

The kind of damage that a child molestor inflicts upon his or her victim is irreversible. The mental torment that follows lasts a lifetime and cannot be erased. Child molestation/rape is the worst act one can commit against a child other than murder.

[sterio]

But what good does it actually do to then just go ahead and murder the guy?

[StabnGrab]

I'd hate to see their election campaign...

[Dr.Boo]

I agree that if you realise you're peadophile and seek help before you do anything bad, you should be helped. But as said, as soon as you did the act, wether that be raping or murdering a child, or wanking off to child porn, you're not worth breathing our air any longer.

By murdering a child rapist you don't really punish him, but you do get rid of him and remove the danger he is for society.

[NuclearDreams]

But what good does it actually do to then just go ahead and murder the guy?

Laws are there to persuade potential offenders from committing a crime as well as punish those who do. If justice were swift and the death penalty applied to child molesters then that could persuade potential child rapists to forgo their evil intentions.

One other thing, I will not just sit here and let someone classify pedophilia as a sexual preference. It is a disgusting crime against innocent children, one worthy of the most severe retribution society has to offer.

[sterio]

Maybe that would work as a deterrent, but I doubt it. But then, I also feel murder is something a state should never be allowed to do. It should be above that. I have a strong feeling you disagree, but then we'd be getting way off topic :p

(also, I don't think I've ever posted so much in a flamerz thread - but then, there are no flames :p)

[nilloC]

One other thing, I will not just sit here and let someone classify pedophilia as a sexual preference. It is a disgusting crime against innocent children, one worthy of the most severe retribution society has to offer.

There's no penalty for simply thinking about murdering someone. So why should there be a penalty for pedophilia being a sexual preference?

It's a harmless political organization. Seriously, loosen the **** up. Pedophilia is NOT illegal for a reason; child molestation IS illegal for a reason.

[El Sol Morado]

Laws are there to persuade potential offenders from committing a crime as well as punish those who do. If justice were swift and the death penalty applied to child molesters then that could persuade potential child rapists to forgo their evil intentions.
One other thing, I will not just sit here and let someone classify pedophilia as a sexual preference. It is a disgusting crime against innocent children, one worthy of the most severe retribution society has to offer.

Get your **** straight. Nobody here is arguing whether raping/molesting little kids is ok. What a lot of people are saying, however, is that having pedophilic thoughts isn't a crime, and as long as the pedophile isn't acting on their fantasies, they're not doing anything illegal.

But you keep screaming **** like ~"all pedophiles must die cause they rape little kids"~. Yeah, buddy, we already heard that.

[NuclearDreams]

There's no penalty for simply thinking about murdering someone. So why should there be a penalty for pedophilia being a sexual preference?
It's a harmless political organization. Seriously, loosen the **** up. Pedophilia is NOT illegal for a reason; child molestation IS illegal for a reason.

Read my other posts Mr. Cheddar. The act of pedophilia and not the thought.

*Nuc wacks nilliC with a Limberger stick. http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/gewalt/smiley-channel.de_gewalt022.gif


...and El Sol Morado, I didn't pull your chain.

[El Sol Morado]

Read my other posts Mr. Cheddar. The act of pedophilia and not the thought.
*Nuc wacks nilliC with a Limberger stick. http://www.smiley-channel.de/grafiken/smiley/gewalt/smiley-channel.de_gewalt022.gif
...and El Sol Morado, I didn't pull your chain.

Again, who here has said once that the act of pedophilia was acceptable?

[NuclearDreams]

Again, who here has said once that the act of pedophilia was acceptable?

...again, as I already stated, I am not accusing anyone of anything. I simply stated that I do not agree with the assumption that pedophilia can be classified as a sexual preference, which someone here insinuated. If you'll read what was posted, someone stated that pedophilia, which would include the act thereof, is a precondition that should be handled in therapy. I disagree with the precondition part. Pedophilia is a choice that someone makes and if that condition progresses to actual physical contact then the action should be judged as a deliberate act and not a genetic defect that compelled the offender to act.

[El Sol Morado]

...again, as I already stated, I am not accusing anyone of anything. I simply stated that I do not agree with the assumption that pedophilia can be classified as a sexual preference, which someone here insinuated.

that's what the dictionary insinuated. but I dunno if argueing that is even worth it, since I don't think any of us have Phds in psychology. Unless someone here has some sort of writing that gives a more specific definition of what pedophilia is.

[HiddenKenshin]

*sigh*
It's these things that give Holland a bad name. First off, it's not much of a party. It's one guy. Supposedly "three".
Second, he has to hide in some sort of a trailer park, hiding incongnito, to avoid being lynched by activists.
And like someone witty already said before, the greatest threat to democracy, is democarcy itself.

The politcal landscape of Holland has been severly ****ed the past few years. A rightwinger(Pim Fortuyn), to the point of "extreme" right winger, was about to win the elections, after gaining popularity by the boatloads. People were fed up by the poor governments that had been set up year after year, so they went for a radical approach. The man was leader of his party and was "ritually slaughtered" by a fundamental muslim zealot fuggernut.
The party still won, but it barely held up. Ever since, Holland has been struggling to get a good governmnet running, and it's a nice country. This is a way of their policy of "let the people decide and voice their opinion".

Either way, it kind of annoys me how other countries are acting biased and reflecting one-sided opinions about this matter, judging the Dutch people. The first article was especially one-sided. They're all "raise voices, protest and stomp around really, really pissed off!", whereas the actual death stab to this concept will be made in the voting boots and the electional aftermath. Which is the point of the court's decision.

And no, I am not from Holland, not from Holland descent.

[Camel]

pedophilia
One entry found for pedophilia.
Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pe-d&-'fi-lE-&, 'pE-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object
pedophile
One entry found for pedophile.
Main Entry: pe·do·phile
Pronunciation: 'pe-d&-"fI(-&)l, 'pE-
Function: noun
: one affected with pedophilia
A pedophile isn't necessarily a person who has sex with little kids. Rather it's a disorder where a person has a sexual perversion towards kids. They don't exactly have to act out their desires in order to be a pedophile. And I'm pretty sure people don't just "choose" to be pedophiles. I almost want to say it falls in the same catagory as being gay as far as choice is invovled, but I don't think I want to go that far, because everything doesn't exactly sync up properly.

:rolleyes: Obviously from an American Dictionary.......as you can tell by the misunderstanding what ~philia actually means...:freek:

[Derek]

:rolleyes: Obviously from an American Dictionary.......as you can tell by the misunderstanding what ~philia actually means...:freek:
It doesn't matter what the suffix means, it matter what the word means, and it means the same thing in any form of English. :rockbrow:

[Dr.Boo]

Oh I have a fellow Belgian ehre. That's nice.

On topic: what I understood from NuclearDreams from reading his posts, is that he did say he wouldn't blame a pedo if he seeks help without ever doing the act of pedophilia.
But for those who do commit it, wether that be raping or downloading child porn, I think the best thing is to just kill him. Call me a violent sicko I don't care. But after the events here in Belgium (Marc Dutroux, Abdallah Ait Oud, ...) I am absolutely disgusted by the fact that these guys are recidivists: they were sentenced to jail for raping children, were freed because their sentence expired, and then they just did it again.

They should have let the Belgian people get their hands on these assholes. They would have been lynched for sure.

[HiddenKenshin]

Oh I have a fellow Belgian ehre. That's nice.

On topic: what I understood from NuclearDreams from reading his posts, is that he did say he wouldn't blame a pedo if he seeks help without ever doing the act of pedophilia.
But for those who do commit it, wether that be raping or downloading child porn, I think the best thing is to just kill him. Call me a violent sicko I don't care. But after the events here in Belgium (Marc Dutroux, Abdallah Ait Oud, ...) I am absolutely disgusted by the fact that these guys are recidivists: they were sentenced to jail for raping children, were freed because their sentence expired, and then they just did it again.

They should have let the Belgian people get their hands on these assholes. They would have been lynched for sure.
I was surprised that, when Dutroux escaped that one time, they didn't find his corpse, brutally muredered.
And yeah, there are more Belgians lurking on this forum.

[Statalyzer]

You can't decide to find anyone/thing sexually attractive.

Well, you can, but only up to a point. It's neither totally in our control nor totally out of our control.

But the view society has to paedophiles is disgusting. Any individual unlucky enough to have these feelings should have the option to seek therapy, treatment... anything to help them deal with their feelings, rather than become ovewhelmed and succumb to the physical desires.

Well, pedophiles like the ones in this article are not what you are describing. These guys think there is nothign wrong and want it to be considered normal.

I know what it's like to fantasize things that are evil and wish you could stop having those thoughts. So I can respect someone who feels sexual desires to do something wrong, but doesn't act them out, and seeks help if he/she feels it so strongly that he/she is worried about actually being overcome at a weak moment and doing it. But not someone who has already done it and/or doesn't think it's wrong.

But if it's illegal to run based on something that's illegal, it basically means it's illegal to get elected on the platform of changing laws.

Advocating a law change is fine to run for office on. But advocating doing it before the law is changed shouldn't be.

[EliteGi]

Well, you can, but only up to a point. It's neither totally in our control nor totally out of our control.
Read the sentence that comes after that and you'll find I sort of said the same thing. There may be things we can do to affect what/who we find sexually desireable, but we can't decide such a thing.

Well, pedophiles like the ones in this article are not what you are describing. These guys think there is nothign wrong and want it to be considered normal.

I know what it's like to fantasize things that are evil and wish you could stop having those thoughts. So I can respect someone who feels sexual desires to do something wrong, but doesn't act them out, and seeks help if he/she feels it so strongly that he/she is worried about actually being overcome at a weak moment and doing it. But not someone who has already done it and/or doesn't think it's wrong.
I didn't even read the article, but stated my opinions on paedophiles. It's all there in my post.

I don't think someone should be murdered for having child pornograpy. They haven't harmed a child directly but it's certainly wrong, so imprisonment sounds fine for this. Any sexual abuse done to a child should lead to life inprisonment or death to the offender in my opinion.

[Camel]

It doesn't matter what the suffix means, it matter what the word means, and it means the same thing in any form of English. :rockbrow:


:wtf: It most certainly does

it was the Americans who corrupted the use of the word paedophilia, literally a 'lover of children'......

we are speaking of correct use of English, not corrupted american meanings of (their version of) english.:|

[Derek]

:wtf: It most certainly does
it was the Americans who corrupted the use of the word paedophilia, literally a 'lover of children'......
we are speaking of correct use of English, not corrupted american meanings of (their version of) english.:|
Lets have a look, shall we:
Pedophilia or paedophilia (see spelling differences) is the paraphilia...
Hmm, another -philia...
Paraphilia (in Greek para παρά = besides and '-philia' φιλία = love) is a term that describes sexual arousal in response to sexual objects or situations which may interfere with the capacity for reciprocal affectionate sexual activity.
So clearly there is a closely related word that also refers strictly to sexual interest. Lets go back to pedophilia now:
The word comes from the Greek paidophilia (παιδοφιλια)—pais (παις, "child") and philia (φιλια, "love, friendship"). Paidophilia was coined by Greek poets as a substitute for "paiderastia" (pederasty).
So the word is pretty old, it was originally created as a euphemism for "paiderastia", but whats that?
The term pederasty embraces a wide range of erotic practices between adult males and adolescent boys.
I see.

So Pedophilia has always referred strictly to sexual love since the time of the Greeks, regardless of its literal etymological roots. Maybe next time we'll remember that etymology is the historical origin and not the meaning of the word.

[Totobello]

Not all Dutchies are Pedophiles :@.
:)

I'm not one of them sick ''guys''

I was like WTF too dude :)


PS: we own you guys at football.

[NuclearDreams]

...digging up old threads in flamerz will get you smacked.

[Totobello]

ow sorry :( it was on the half of the page

[M2M]

Lets have a look, shall we:

Hmm, another -philia...

So clearly there is a closely related word that also refers strictly to sexual interest. Lets go back to pedophilia now:

So the word is pretty old, it was originally created as a euphemism for "paiderastia", but whats that?

I see.

So Pedophilia has always referred strictly to sexual love since the time of the Greeks, regardless of its literal etymological roots. Maybe next time we'll remember that etymology is the historical origin and not the meaning of the word.


aaah hes so smart...don't you just love him?

by the way, do you think it is pedophylia if two 16 year olds have sex for the first time?

[CrowRbot]

aaah hes so smart...don't you just love him?

by the way, do you think it is pedophylia if two 16 year olds have sex for the first time?

No. Pedophilia is defined as a sexual relationship between an adult and a child. Both 16 year olds are minors, and so the charge of pedophilia cannot be raised. As far as I know, the worst that can happen for them is a call to their parents, which may be punishment enough.

[Mysterius]

No. Pedophilia is defined as a sexual relationship between an adult and a child. Both 16 year olds are minors, and so the charge of pedophilia cannot be raised. As far as I know, the worst that can happen for them is a call to their parents, which may be punishment enough.

Actually, I believe two preteens were both convicted of statutory rape a few years ago in Utah. Yes, BOTH of them were convicted of raping each other and were required to register as sex offenders. Didn't hear of any appeals, though I hope they did, of course.

On pedophilia: Biologically, whether or not it's "natural" depends on the age group the attraction is towards. Attraction towards individuals of young child-bearing age would not be wrong, in a biological sense, since such individuals are quite capable of passing on your genes as your mate. Attraction towards individuals under child-bearing age, on the other hand, would be biologically deviant.

Of course, what's biologically right or wrong has only a tenuous connection with what's socially/morally right or wrong. Note, however, that many ancient societies had lower socially-acceptable age limits for sex. Even today, the age of consent for marriage (usually with parental permission) in many places is substantially lower than the age of consent. The age of consent is necessary to prevent sexual molestation, but recognize that the age itself is arbitrary.

I believe the point other before me have tried to make is that pedophiles and pedophilia should be separated from child-molesters. Those who suffer from such a mental disorder (as it's considered in modern society) should be offered treatment for their illness. Only those who act on their impulses (a comparison can be made to those who have rape fantasies vs. those who rape or are raped) or support others who commit crimes (people who buy child pornography) should be dealt with under the law. Without treatment, it is inevitable that many who try to restrain themselves would fail, because they're afraid to come out and seek help. (Think, for example, of people who have HIV but won't admit it.) Unfortunately, I don't see this as likely to occur anytime soon, given the gut reaction that most today have toward pedophiles (which is b/c all the pedophiles you see on the media are those who have made the leap to child-molesters), as evidenced by those who responded vehemently in this thread.

[Totobello]

Oh, I have the feeling you guys find every single Dutchie down here is a pedo :P

NOT ME

[Camel]

:rockbrow:It`s about time this thread was closed, to stop people dredging it back into daylight.....:squint: