Most powerful Villain in the C&C universe?

[Tommy]

I wonder which is the Most powerful Villain in the C&C universe....... :)
We have been talking a lot on Good Guys.. what about the bad guys man! Without the bad guys, we have no C&C Gaming to talk about!

[SgtRicko]

Depends on what you consider "powerful" to be.


If you mean in terms of success and actual army strength, then I'd have to say Yuri, since the guy would've totally controlled the world with no contest had it not been for the time machine that Einstein made and his San Fran Dominator losing power just before it activated. If Yuri had won, then NOBODY would've ever been able to stop him, since everyone would be his brainless servants. You gotta admit, even Kane and Romanov never came that close to a total victory in any storyline.

[starscream007]

In terms of Media and support of the downtroden it would be Kane. Land mass would probably Stalin since it was believed to be that he had plenty of Soviet influence in Latin America incase the US decided to get involved in the war against the Europen Allies. And to agree with the above post Yuri's military power was enormas comparied both to Romanouv and Kane due to his mind control technology that rendered people mindless drones. Soviet mind control was mild and highly suggestive, Yuri's mind control basicly wiped the hard drive clean. Each villian had his strengths and weaknesses. I would like to see a lead female villian in the CnC universe instead of some supportive role

[Mikael Grizzly]

I picked Joseph Stalin, because he commanded a whole damn country capable of waging a war entirely on his own and field Mammoth Tanks, V2s and nuclear missile silos.

And I disagree with the notion of Kane being a villain. C&C was always a shades of gray game, and Kane was the most gray of it's characters.

[Nyerguds]

Still, Kane pwnz all.

http://cnc2sw.planetcnc.gamespy.com/stuff/sethdie2.gif

also,
http://kane.youaremighty.com

:p

[bones2k]

easy Kane

[Tommy]

I find this Hilarious............. People voted Kane without any reason:gnarly:

I m talking about in terms of intelligence, strength and tactics here.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I've always been partial to Stalin myself.

[Tommy]

I've always been partial to Stalin myself.

omg, I forgotten to put one more villain in the poll! AND that's CABAL!!

[Kiefer13]

Kane, beacuse he also has the cool factor! :cool:

and Nyerguds, ace vid! :rofl:

[Daishi]

Don't forget that Yuri perma-mind-controlled over 2/3 of the planet with zero resistance. And don't forget that he actually won, and the good guys had to resort to time-travel to save Earth. Kane took over the world. How close did Kane get to taking over the planet 100%? Not that close.

[Statalyzer]

Considering what Kane had to work with compared to what Yuri had to work with, his success is more impressive. He is a master of deception and subtlety and the most impressive wielder of power - not that he has the most power, but he wields it most effectively.

[Wesforce]

Kane - He is the future!

*Everything you see is a deception*

[MercZ]

I'd say Kane. The amount of things he has manipulated in the world and being able to bend many defeats in his favor is quite impressive.

[Zardac the Great]

Well, considering the fact that Yuri's mind control of the world never happened due to time travel...:D

[Daishi]

The point is they had to hit reset to beat him. He was a pioneer in war science even as the Soviet war began, And he turned out not to be too bad of a general either in YR. (considering he's fighting on every front at once and still standing a decent chance against you)

Kane did do a good job of rising from nothing, though, so he may be a better villain.

[Lazzars]

in terms of power? Yuri

but Kane is still the most badass evil genius ever (even though he did loose twice)

[SgtRicko]

I still think that Yuri was the best, cause everybody hated the guy, yet he nearly beat them in the most total and complete way possible... nearly.

[Corsarus]

How the heck do you add animations!?!?!??!?

Yuri. Mind control rules over all.

[Missle Launch Detected!]

Basically all I'm seeing here is; the less the hair, the more power.

I voted seth for his uber awesome death.

[Kiefer13]

Imagine Nod and Yuri teaming up against Allies and GDI.

The good guys wouldn't stand a chance! :D

[SgtRicko]

Two words: Chronoshpere and Einstein.


PWNED.:flamed:

[NODorGDI5]

Chew on this thought for a moment... Would mind control work of Mutant Ravashaw? He's already, essentially mindless :| ..
For those of you that have played renegade, you know what I mean. (If you played the missions..)


BTW, that site you (Nyerguds) linked was awesome, although somewhat featureless. What language is the music in?

[Gaucho8788]

I'm sure it would work, mind control is essentially taking control of ones brain to do what you will. You control the functions of their brain with your brain or a machine capable of it. It has nothing to do with their current state of being.

[Nyerguds]

a simpler mind would make it EASIER, in fact.

[SgtRicko]

a simpler mind would make it EASIER, in fact.

Then why doesn't it work on Brutes or dogs???

[daser357]

IF u want a real reason y its cuz u needed some anti infantry unit to kill yuri clones without being MC'ed but the Dev science would be there to loyal to there owners or masters to be mindcontrolled i tink...:|

[NODorGDI5]

I wish that they specified in the game, what his mind is actually made of (after Project Regenesis). I thought It might be part machine..

Who is stronger anyway? A brute, or Mutant Raveshaw? (I think they're about equal in intelligence.) Raveshaw can take multiple sniper shots in the head! While, the brute can smash just about any infantry unit that is in range! Oh, and don't forget: "I like big toys! Heee heee heeee!"

[Gaucho8788]

You do remember that big metal thing on the back of his head, remember? But anyways, it could be just a simple reason, that brutes or dogs can't be MCed is because their brains are to different. It would make it more difficult to manipulate especially if they didn't know what nueral pathway did what. Or it could be just so yuris side wouldn't be so powerful. Ohh, and a brute compared to mutant rave, it would probably be an even match.

[NODorGDI5]

You do remember that big metal thing on the back of his head, remember? But anyways, it could be just a simple reason, that brutes or dogs can't be MCed is because their brains are to different. It would make it more difficult to manipulate especially if they didn't know what nueral pathway did what. Or it could be just so yuris side wouldn't be so powerful. Ohh, and a brute compared to mutant rave, it would probably be an even match.

I'll tell you what though, the first time I ever faced him in the missions. I was scared to death. I'd never seen seen anything pick me up before, and have so much health! And then he went and got healed by that tiberium zapper thingy... Not to mention he moved around so much.. You can't hit him with hardly anything. I was like :eek::dismay::uhh::dead:...

But then I went back and emptied all my flamethrower clips, and my remaining laser rifle clips, then my sniper rounds... LOL, renegade was the first FPS I've ever played.. (Unless you count Mech Warrior.)

[Gaucho8788]

I know, Mutant Raveshaw is something else. I think I beat him first try but I can't remember. All I know is that I was shocked when he picked me up by my head and threw me halfway across the room. it was entertaining. The thing about renengade is that it's not a terrably hard game but it tends to get long and tedious.

[Corsarus]

I remember that when I first played the campaign I sat down with two boxes of pizza while I was alone in the house for the weekend and played the whole campaign from beginning to end and never died once because of my uber high adrenaline. SUGAR COATED APPLES GALORE!!!!!

there is an easy way to kill raveshaw, it involves using the C4 but I don't remember what it was...

[SgtRicko]

I remember that when I first played the campaign I sat down with two boxes of pizza while I was alone in the house for the weekend and played the whole campaign from beginning to end and never died once because of my uber high adrenaline. SUGAR COATED APPLES GALORE!!!!!

there is an easy way to kill raveshaw, it involves using the C4 but I don't remember what it was...

Try doing that with Halo 2 on Legendary: You'll die of stroke!:lol: :rofl: :lmao:

[Corsarus]

I did it with halo 1, does that count?

i like energy swords...

[SilentScoper]

I did it with halo 1, does that count?

No it doesn't !!


i like energy swords...

'Bout time you fell on yours !! :D

[SgtRicko]

Don't count really. Halo 2's Legendary mode is WAY touger than the first installment.:rolleyes:

[Daishi]

To edge us all back on topic, let me remind you that the 1337 Dr. Thrax was technically a villain. :)

[SgtRicko]

To edge us all back on topic, let me remind you that the 1337 Dr. Thrax was technically a villain. :)

But he died... permanently.

That, and he didn't really accomplish anything huge or noteworthy, unlike General Deathstrike

[Daishi]

Good point, the GLA never denounced and attacked Deathstrike.

[Bean]

Kane is definitely the strongest villain. Not only is he the definitive CnC villain, not only is he able to make Nod a threat to the entire free world, but he also is impossible to kill. How many times has GDI believed that they killed Kane? How many times has he actually died?
I rest my case. :)

[Gaucho8788]

I think they're all clones, that, or this guy is really d**n good. I'm betting on clones.

[RHeydrich]

My first post and sorry if this thread is out of date, But the best hero has to be Yuri, simply because of the Mind control and close success to world domination. But if only he had the sense to mind control Einstein, he would not have been defeated.
And someone said that you can't mind control dogs or brutes because their brains are too different, Nothing stops you from mind controlling a Cow or Alligator. :rolleyes:
But then again, you cant create them.

[Quadhelix]

I find this Hilarious............. People voted Kane without any reason:gnarly:

I m talking about in terms of intelligence, strength and tactics here.
Okay, how about the fact that Kane has proven nigh unkillable as well as showing intelligence almost at the level of omniscience.


Don't forget that Yuri perma-mind-controlled over 2/3 of the planet with zero resistance. And don't forget that he actually won, and the good guys had to resort to time-travel to save Earth. Kane took over the world. How close did Kane get to taking over the planet 100%? Not that close. True, but don't forget that it seems almost as though every defeat that Kane has suffered (at least, his apparent death at the end of Tiberian Sun and the destruction of Temple Prime in Tiberium Wars) was merely a ploy to further his own ends.

Yuri was defeated because he did not know about Einstein's time machine. Kane was defeated because his plans required it.

[Cylon Crusader]

You know, I just had a revelation, when westwood owned the rights to CNC they devised a timeline that would correctly combine the RA and Tiberium universes, what if Kane really did die at the end of the tiberium games, but was cloned and so "came back to life."

Back to the original topic though, I think that Yuri is probably the best because he has his phsycic dominators and if the one in California hadn't failed, he would have successfully taken over the planet in the blink of an eye.

But then again, the soviets had a beter military, that excelled in up close and personal combat. The soviet military was adaptive and very ruthless at the takeover of the US.

But I would eventually go with yuri though.

[Quadhelix]

You know, I just had a revelation, when westwood owned the rights to CNC they devised a timeline that would correctly combine the RA and Tiberium universes, what if Kane really did die at the end of the tiberium games, but was cloned and so "came back to life." That would be the best explanation for his good health in Tiberium Wars despite missing half of his face in Tiberian Sun, but it doesn't explain his missing face in Tiberian Sun.


Back to the original topic though, I think that Yuri is probably the best because he has his phsycic dominators and if the one in California hadn't failed, he would have successfully taken over the planet in the blink of an eye. Yes, but it is Yuri's fault that the Psychic Dominator on Alcatraz failed: instead of striking while the Harriers were still inbound, he waited until one of his Dominators was taken out before deploying the rest.


Kane engineered his own defeat because it was part of his master plan. Yuri engineered his own defeat because he was an arrogant idiot.

[Avapodnaught]

I wonder what they would do when they conquer the world...
I vote Kane... it seems when he comes back they have Cabal as their voice instead of Eva, but it is replaced from its old goal of giving u ur mission objectives... somethin' bout Kane and Cabal...
Yuri had an uprising plan of technology and army... he had major opperations all over the world... he couldn't as a leader take down one of two generals of the soviets and alliance...
Brutes have a visor over their eyes making their allegiance to yuri, and the only thing making them a brute... unless an enemy genetic mutator makes a visor over it changing them again, fully healed, and new army...
Dogs... that gets me... but u can't control miners either... something odd there...

[apple23]

You cant MC miners just for balance. Imaging if all ur miners were at a patch, undefended and you lost them all to a few yuris. Dogs, i dont really know, but maybe it is because animals live off instinct and maybe MC dosent work on animals. (however it works on cows, monkeys, and alligators) and obviously brutes because they have no mind, they are just a puppet of yuri's, a buffed up zombie, you could say.

I voted Kane for many reasons:
1. Kane just plain kicks ass
2. He has less technology than yuri, but was able to get out of very tight squeezes much more efficiently than yuri.
3. He didn't come as close to world domination, but i'm sure if he had yuri's technology, he would have won in Tiberian Dawn, and TS/CNC3 wouldnt have existed or the storyline would be pointless attempts by the GDI to fight back.That would be the best explanation for his good health in Tiberium Wars despite missing half of his face in Tiberian Sun, but it doesn't explain his missing face in Tiberian Sun.

True. All that stuff was a little confusing. I wish they had told us why kane lost half his face in TS/FS.

[SgtRicko]

That would be the best explanation for his good health in Tiberium Wars despite missing half of his face in Tiberian Sun, but it doesn't explain his missing face in Tiberian Sun.

Simple: Plastic surgery and possibly clone organ donation.;)

[Calamity13]

The most powerful villian in the C&C universe is....

KANE! Nuff said.

[Zardac the Great]

I don't know. The Scrin in C&C3 were just a mining operation. They were unprepared to fight, but they shook the Earth to its foundations.

I'd say the Overlord, or whoever the Foreman's boss was is the most powerful. If a mining operation can do what they did, fear the invasion.

[Quadhelix]

Sorry for the necro-bump, but it would have been rather stupid to start a new topic just to reply to things in this one:


You cant MC miners just for balance. Imaging if all ur miners were at a patch, undefended and you lost them all to a few yuris. Dogs, i dont really know, but maybe it is because animals live off instinct and maybe MC dosent work on animals. (however it works on cows, monkeys, and alligators) and obviously brutes because they have no mind, they are just a puppet of yuri's, a buffed up zombie, you could say.
The reason you cannot control dogs but can control other animals? Perhaps because the dogs are trained: I would imagine that psychics trained to mind control humans would have a difficult time controlling animals, whose brain structure is vastly different than ours. They might be able to exert subtle influence, but direct control might be outside their ability; on a wild animal, or an animal as passive and docile as a cow, subtle influence might be all that is needed. However, the subtle influence used on animals might not be sufficient to override the training given to military (or even police) attack dogs.

As for Brutes, rather than say that Brutes are mindless (Brutes clearly have enough intelligence to speak), it is possible that they are genetically programed to be loyal to Yuri (or whoever used the Genetic Mutator to make them) and that no amount of mind control can break their genetic programming. Thus, Brutes cannot be mind controlled, but an enemy Genetic Mutator can rewrite the Brutes' genetic programming, making them loyal to a new master.


True. All that stuff was a little confusing. I wish they had told us why kane lost half his face in TS/FS.
It is "explained" at the end of the original Command and Conquer: see here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBvOeQF_S-I).


I don't know. The Scrin in C&C3 were just a mining operation. They were unprepared to fight, but they shook the Earth to its foundations. I would hardly say that they were "unprepared to fight." In addition to harvesting vehicles, they brought tanks, artillery ships, and mind control commandos. Although you might argue that the war vehicles used were "obsolete" Scrin weaponry, people today use neither bows and arrows nor muzzle-loading rifles as weapons in any circumstance, save for hobby or sport. If a person wants to have a weapon for self-defense, the closest thing to an "obsolete" weapon that they would use would be a revolver. While there is a big difference between a revolver and an automatic rifle, there is an even bigger difference between a sharpened rock and a laser gun (which is were the difference between human and Scrin technology should be).

It may well be that they expected some form of resistance (after all, even if Tiberium had finished aterraforming the Earth, there could have been survivors in environmentally sealed shelters, such as vaults or domed cities), but were caught unaware by the sheer number of survivors (they were, of course, expecting Tiberium to have finished transforming the Earth into a single, massive Red Zone).

It is also possible that the Scrin live under some sort of feudal or clan system and that raiding other vassals' or other clans' harvesting operations is common practice, forcing harvesting operations to have at least a light military guard.


I'd say the Overlord, or whoever the Foreman's boss was is the most powerful. If a mining operation can do what they did, fear the invasion. It seems to me that almost the opposite is true: despite having control of a galaxy-spanning empire, the Scrin still use technology that is about on par (at least in terms of firepower and survivability) with Earth humans'. The very fact that a race that has probably had star travel before humanity even evolved was defeated, not by a united effort, but by splintered and warring factions who continued to battle one another even as they fought to repel the invaders gives me little hope for the aliens' overall combat capacity.

[Rowmen]

Yuri because he back stabbed a villain with makes him a super villain, Plus the fact he can mind control you.

[Quadhelix]

Yuri because he back stabbed a villain with makes him a super villain, Plus the fact he can mind control you. Not really; backstabbing a villain just makes you a sneakier villain. Now if Yuri could, for example, shoot laser beams or mind control people, then he would be a super villain. Of course, then he would have to wear gaudy spandex tights. :D

The reason that Yuri really cannot be considered the most powerful villain is because he failed an important test of a villain's ability: what happens after you fail; Kane has been apparently defeated at least three times (once at the end of Tiberian Dawn, once at the end of Tiberian Sun, and once in the middle of Tiberium Wars), and yet each time, he makes a come back; in at least one instance, his defeat was an intentional ploy on his part to achieve his ends, which makes one wonder just how many of his defeats were really the failures that they seemed to be.

Yuri was defeated once and either captured by the Allies or killed by a T-rex. Kane, on the other hand, has yet to be decisively defeated, despite being vaporized, stabbed through the heart, and trapped at ground zero of a half-Gigaton quasi-nuclear explosion.

[Delta-4]

...or mind control people...
(Cough)

I had a theory while reading this thread over on the mind control bit about how it doesn't affect dogs or brutes. Perhaps it has something to do with free will, with mind control being a much stronger will exerted over the person's mind. Basically, it's a sort of overpowering, while very strong wills would be able to resist it, as seen in Tanya, Boris, slaved units, and other mind control units being immune to its effects. The Brute, Quadhelix said, is most likely just programmed to obey orders and thus has no real free will other than "This is fun" and "This isn't fun".

[Rowmen]

Not really; backstabbing a villain just makes you a sneakier villain. Now if Yuri could, for example, shoot laser beams or mind control people, then he would be a super villain. Of course, then he would have to wear gaudy spandex tights. :D

The reason that Yuri really cannot be considered the most powerful villain is because he failed an important test of a villain's ability: what happens after you fail; Kane has been apparently defeated at least three times (once at the end of Tiberian Dawn, once at the end of Tiberian Sun, and once in the middle of Tiberium Wars), and yet each time, he makes a come back; in at least one instance, his defeat was an intentional ploy on his part to achieve his ends, which makes one wonder just how many of his defeats were really the failures that they seemed to be.

Yuri was defeated once and either captured by the Allies or killed by a T-rex. Kane, on the other hand, has yet to be decisively defeated, despite being vaporized, stabbed through the heart, and trapped at ground zero of a half-Gigaton quasi-nuclear explosion.

I barely know kane, I only played ts and from what I remember he was some weird guy and I kinda disliked him from the start but I found him more of a dictator then a villain. Now I'm not sure how the story goes but. If he failed three times to take over the world isn't that kinda low, I mean aleast Yuri on his first attempt would have been successful if it wasn't for a time machine which is hard to counter. So Yuri being closer to victory and Yuri having a Power. Plus the fact he doesn't give me the creeps even tho he looks strange. And when the topic said powerful well Yuri was at the most powerful you can get at one time? (He had the whole world under control except San Fransisco)

[nyarlathotep]

Yuri, definatly... But yeah, timelines heh

[Tesla]

Kane, definitely. My reasons are the same as those already discussed.

[Statalyzer]

Yuri because he back stabbed a villain with makes him a super villain,

Kane also back-stabbed a villain.

[Tesla]

And also, in response to Rowmen's post above about Kane being "just" a dictator, isn't it usually given that dictators are evil and therefore villains?

[Quadhelix]

Now if Yuri could, for example, shoot laser beams or mind control people, then he would be a super villain.(Cough) Exactly...although he's still missing the purple spandex.



Now I'm not sure how the story goes but. If he failed three times to take over the world isn't that kinda low, Kane escaped capture each time. Yuri did not. Also, Kane was not trying "to take over the world"; while the size of Kane's forces at the time of Tiberian Dawn is debatable, it is rather clear that by Tiberian Sun, he is leading a massive and global movement: the world, or at least a significant fraction of it, was already his.

Yuri, on the other hand, had only a handful of willing followers. The rest were gained through less than legitimate means.

Kane's goal at the time of Tiberian Sun was to convert the Earth's surface into Tiberium, while his goal in Tiberium Wars was to lure the Scrin to Earth (by tricking GDI into detonating a Liquid Tiberium Bomb) so that he could steal one of their towers. While Kane failed his objective for Tiberian Sun, he succeeded in Tiberium Wars.

In other words, Kane is the only villain in C&C history to have a canon endgame victory against the good guys.


I mean aleast Yuri on his first attempt would have been successful if it wasn't for a time machine which is hard to counter. So is a Psychic Dominator (mind controls everything within a multi-hundred mile radius). Basically, the Allies/Soviets used their unfair advantage to cancel out Yuri's unfair advantage.

[tomhicks]

"What about the bad guys".......I agree. I have a blast bieng the bad guy,bad country sometimes! When i play my friend head to head,....That is where i draw the line though, between business and pleasure.He is no more longer,my friend as an apponent.He is as a BAD GUY.I find pleasure in whooping his :moonie:,the times that i do.Hence.........THE GRUDGE MATCH....................

Outside of my friend, my favorite villain ...is YURI.
Outside of me(kidding),the most powerful villain...is...yet to never to be determined.We have some outstanding players that can role model the villain rather well.I grew up with c+c on saturn, to the modern computer.You really have no favorite villain,when you love them all....THANK YOU

[erviu]

I agree with you

[thetechieotaku]

Yuri... For me...

[CADTC]

Kane is on the loose!