How to not spam humvees

[Daishi]

Playing with all the USA ends up revolving around MDvees and/or bunkering. :/

Are there any half-decent vUSA/laser/SWG strategies that overlook the humvee? I mean anything involving the Crusader, Paladin, the Avenger, the Microwave Tank, the vanilla airforce, but as a COMPLETE alternative to humvee spamming.

[Derek]

Nope, all of the above are owned by MDs, and MDs are best transported in vees. Other early MD drop, its all about MDvees.

Although lately I've been thinking about the possibilities of a MD drop spam, where you just get two rax and and extra nook or two instead of a WF, and start spamming MDs and FB rangers like mad and dropping them in the enemy base. I've seen a couple replays, and played one game myself, where a USA with loses its dozers and is stuck with just a rax, but by constantly spamming MD/ranger drops is able to win. I'm going to try it out sometime soon when I can get a USA mirror.

[Daishi]

I've seen that strategy too. It owns China when China is left with a wf and no dozers. I know that you can bunker down on one supply as SWG vs. USAF on non-TD map and spam MD/avenger drops as a strategy to win. But I figure you'll need something to counter the rockvees besides aurora micro.

[drgNz~]

I'm going to try it out sometime soon when I can get a USA mirror.

You. Me. Friday Night :p

I've tried to be creative in a few games, ie: Laser Crusaders + Flash(only)vees to take out tunnels/mid in TD, then going back to S&D MDvees+Avengers once I tech.

There are ALOT of possibilities as USA, the most flexible imo being vUSA. Paladin drops against China tank, MDvee drops, Avenger drops, Towvee spam, Manspam, 3x Microwave Tank Drop against a GLA noob that boxed his supplies :p

The main problem is that none of these strats can't stay consistant or will work at proper levels of play. They're fun for ****s&giggles though :p

[Daishi]

I guess MDvees is the pr0 way to g0...

[Derek]

There just really isn't anything better, there are some things that will suffice, but they're not needed.

vUSA is definately the most versatile though, thats why I've been playing so much lately.

[C4]

In 1.04 it really aren't anything but vees, but if u change to 1.05b, crusader/paladin will be boosted enough to pose a real decent option. That and the fact of the no-healing ambulance to make MDvee strategy more expensive (due to drones).
Change it today ;).

[Daishi]

As we've been discussing, 1.05b cannot be used for casual gaming because you can't get a match on it without prior arrangement. I know, I know, its cool and all 'cause you can concentrate a lot less on exploiting and getting exploited, but until it becomes official and everyone goes there, I'm not making a switch.

[Zancloufer27]

Yes, you have to be vUSA. Go for Paladin/Ambo/MD early on, and after you tech get S&D Tommies. Raptors and Auroras are also effective.
If only EZ made 1.05b official...

[Daishi]

We could make an online petition...

[drgNz~]

EA Zan, EA. :p

[SunnyInc.]

Hmm... let me see... 'how not to spam humvees'...

Ooo! Ooo! I know! I know!

...err ... don't pick a USA faction.

;)

[drgNz~]

l0l crAcKin' tEh FuNNi3s!~

[C4]

As we've been discussing, 1.05b cannot be used for casual gaming because you can't get a match on it without prior arrangement. I know, I know, its cool and all 'cause you can concentrate a lot less on exploiting and getting exploited, but until it becomes official and everyone goes there, I'm not making a switch.

U can chat a little in the lobby or at least on "creating the game" to know which version the host uses or if ppl want to switch. BTW i do have both (:lol: in fact the only difference is on the shortcut and the .big file) so i can choose.

And it'll never be official. EA don't give a sh....t to generals now a days. But CW uses it and maybe u get surprised with the number of adepts of 1.05b.
:)

[Daishi]

I'm not at all surprised. No one plays it (and virtually no one has it) except the pros, so its utterly useless to me.:|

Stop acting like you're the only person here who's ever used the patch.

[SgtRicko]

I agree. Patch 1.05b seems to be designed to be pro-friendly only (which I REALLY dislike) and it also nerfs a whole ton of things, including a few strats that newbies could at least decently use.

[Derek]

I agree. Patch 1.05b seems to be designed to be pro-friendly only (which I REALLY dislike) and it also nerfs a whole ton of things, including a few strats that newbies could at least decently use.
The patch isn't really "pro-friendly", its good for all players, its just that the pros are the only ones who have adopted it because it is required by CWs.

[SgtRicko]

The patch isn't really "pro-friendly", its good for all players, its just that the pros are the only ones who have adopted it because it is required by CWs.

Huh? CWs??? What's that??:wtf:

[drgNz~]

ClanWars ..

It seems only for "pros" because they're the only ones who can actually adapt to the balance. The noobs can't/don't want to adopt to a patch where you can't tunnelspam vs. anything & win.

[Daishi]

It's not too complicated to switch. You need more tanks and less rockets. You need to stop endlessly spamming vees and start mixing tanks into your USA army. And you need to watch for those damn BN MiGs. Comanche Sting still works just as well, even, so its not that different.

[Zancloufer27]

How do you think people went from 1.00, to 1.02, or 1.03 ? :p

[drgNz~]

They had to. Auto-updates x.x

[C4]

I'm not at all surprised. No one plays it (and virtually no one has it) except the pros, so its utterly useless to me.:|

So it seems.

Stop acting like you're the only person here who's ever used the patch..

I'm still trying to figure out what do u mean here... What about the opposite?...

It's not too complicated to switch. You need more tanks and less rockets. You need to stop endlessly spamming vees and start mixing tanks into your USA army. And you need to watch for those damn BN MiGs. Comanche Sting still works just as well, even, so its not that different.

So it's not that different (Well, i disagree. It's MUCH better)! Look closely at what u said: "You need to stop endlessly spamming vees and start mixing tanks into your USA army.". And it is not that good enough to u? Mixing is something to boost everytime possible, so it was a benefict. But it just don't end here (u can read all the changes at www.gamereplays.org (http://www.gamereplays.org)). It seems most unfortunate when (quoting u drgNz) "pros are the only ones that can adapt to the balance". :\

I agree. Patch 1.05b seems to be designed to be pro-friendly only (which I REALLY dislike) and it also nerfs a whole ton of things, including a few strats that newbies could at least decently use.

I believe drgNz has already answered to u, but just in case...
What was nerfed there is exactly what needed to be nerfed to make the balance arise (i'll assume u know what balance is).:chin:
BTW u called it "pro-friendly", right? What better compliment could u use?
And being a pro is something u dislike?... Well, u're free to have your opinion.:wave:

[Daishi]

So it's not that different (Well, i disagree. It's MUCH better)! Look closely at what u said: "You need to stop endlessly spamming vees and start mixing tanks into your USA army.". And it is not that good enough to u? Mixing is something to boost everytime possible, so it was a benefict. But it just don't end here (u can read all the changes at www.gamereplays.org (http://www.gamereplays.org)). It seems most unfortunate when (quoting u drgNz) "pros are the only ones that can adapt to the balance". :\

Don't get me wrong here. 1.05 is certainly the best thing that ever happened to ZH. But until it becomes official, its a pain to switch back and forth between 1.04 and 1.05.

And anyone can adapt to the balancing. I could, and I'm a relatively bad ZH player.

[C4]

Don't get me wrong here. 1.05 is certainly the best thing that ever happened to ZH. But until it becomes official, its a pain to switch back and forth between 1.04 and 1.05.


It's not that "painful". U just have to keep the file patch.big on your ...\generals zero hour data\ folder and use a shortcut with this command line: "generals.exe -mod patch.big". This way u do have 1.05 if u run this shortcut and old 1.04 if u run any other shortcut u had (better keep both) or the simple generals.exe. The patch is all about the patch.big file and don't change a single file in the game folder, which means u keep the 1.04 version intact without extra disk space (except for the 1Mb patch.big file).

Now imagine u hosting a game: once anyone enters your game (both versions can) u just chat him to make him know u're playing 1.05. On the other hand, if u are joining a game, chat with the host to ask which version is being used to play. If u realize there's none in the lobby with 1.05, u just need to quit the game and run 1.04 (u can ask the host to wait for your switch). Is that a big problem? Maybe it is, but it looks worth the effort to me.
If at least this "asking" becomes an habit more ppl will consider switching version.

And unfortunetely it'll never become official.:\

[Daishi]

It's not that "painful". U just have to keep the file patch.big on your ...\generals zero hour data\ folder and use a shortcut with this command line: "generals.exe -mod patch.big". This way u do have 1.05 if u run this shortcut and old 1.04 if u run any other shortcut u had (better keep both) or the simple generals.exe. The patch is all about the patch.big file and don't change a single file in the game folder, which means u keep the 1.04 version intact without extra disk space (except for the 1Mb patch.big file).

Now imagine u hosting a game: once anyone enters your game (both versions can) u just chat him to make him know u're playing 1.05. On the other hand, if u are joining a game, chat with the host to ask which version is being used to play. If u realize there's none in the lobby with 1.05, u just need to quit the game and run 1.04 (u can ask the host to wait for your switch). Is that a big problem? Maybe it is, but it looks worth the effort to me.
If at least this "asking" becomes an habit more ppl will consider switching version.

Duh... That's... how... you do it. What did I say about acting like you were the only one to use the patch?

And yes, that's a big problem. Not everyone can quit and re-run ZH over and over in less than 2 minutes.

[Zancloufer27]

Have any of you actually played any 1.05 games? I have.

[Daishi]

Used to go to a LAN joint. No one there was any good at ZH, but we all made the switch to 1.05a as soon as it came out.

[Zancloufer27]

Thats cool, as the only person I have played [1.05b] with, isn't that good :(

[drgNz~]

And yes, that's a big problem. Not everyone can quit and re-run ZH over and over in less than 2 minutes.

No, actually. No it's not.

[C4]

Duh... That's... how... you do it. What did I say about acting like you were the only one to use the patch?

I'm having a real hard time fiting your "acting like you were the only one to use the patch" in my speech.:chin:
The way i did it?!... Well, i looks to me the easyest/more-economical way to having both versions, and i assume that anyone with half-brain, will do the same after reading the creators's instructions. I was just trying to show to those who don't have it yet, how easy it is, so they can take in consideration a version change.

And yes, that's a big problem. Not everyone can quit and re-run ZH over and over in less than 2 minutes.

Hey, Time is precious to everybody. But there are some who consider 2 minutes a cheap price to the benefict. But remember, u´re free to play the version u want. There's nowhere written "Daishi Rex must play ZH 1.05"!;)

[wargrudge]

1.05b isn't too bad. I used to play wthigon on it. Totally pwned, but still. :p

[Daishi]

My computer takes a five minutes to reach the opening movie. I sympathize with people on this side of the tech gap.

[Zancloufer27]

You can run C&C 3, but it takes over 5 mins to open up Zero Hour ?!!??

[MercZ]

The SAGE engine was pretty screwy back in those days.

[drgNz~]

My computer takes a five minutes to reach the opening movie. I sympathize with people on this side of the tech gap.

bl tbh.
talk to people before-hand then. get their xfire/msn/whatever people use these days and ask them if they're up for some 1.05b games.

mr_hahn666@hotmail.com
can play anytime after 4 :)

[Daishi]

omgtehjym@hotmail.com

I can play on Fridays ;)

[drgNz~]

Time?
I'm out to basketball during the night, back around 9ish-10ish

[Daishi]

Time?

Anytime after 3PM EST. sometimes I'm gaming from then til midnight.

[C4]

Time?
I'm out to basketball during the night, back around 9ish-10ish

Basketball?! Really, i'm a basketball player too! :hyper: (Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays, just amateur, sometime 5on5 but most 3on3 games)
Nice to see some hoop mates around the world. If only the distance weren't so big!!!!.....:rolleyes:
Well keep playing at the highest level. ;)

Everybody, sorry about the off topic post!:D

[Daishi]

This is cool. I was the tallest power forward in the community league last spring.

[C4]

This is cool. I was the tallest power forward in the community league last spring.

Nice to now about u too. Unfortunately Portugal basket tradition isn't even close to some countries around the world so the only "league" i was in was about some tournies on the university.:\

I usually play at forward position (when playing on 5on5 games), but small or power depends on the mixed team. I'm not that tall (1,83m) and not that heavy (80kg) to be a pure PF, but this isn't NBA anyway:lol:, so around here i'm an average size. Can catch some rebounds but I must rely mostly on mobility and shooting to make my game.
Keep on!;)

[drgNz~]

Hehe, I don't even play :p
I watch my mates play, it's their last game this coming friday so I should be on more often after that. ;D

[Daishi]

Hope to see you soon ;)

[C4]

Hehe, I don't even play :p
I watch my mates play, it's their last game this coming friday so I should be on more often after that. ;D

And how about playing with them, u lazy?!:D Watching is nice but it isn't even close to playing it. Do u remember "healthy mind in healthy body" rule? That's it: ZH and team sports fit for me.:D Just kidding! U probably have plenty of options there in Sydney, right?
Anyway thx for the off topic motive.:D

[drgNz~]

I enjoy playing at school and stuff, but I doubt I'd be any use at a competative level. All my friends are into AND1 and all the tricks & stuff, I can barely dribble properly ;P

Soccer for me. :D

[yurihomer]

thought this is about hummvies! roflmao,

oh well, i am not really a sport person, and suck at most (maybe all) sports. only ones i do enjoy are squash, ping pong, but i get owned really easy.

[C4]

thought this is about hummvies! roflmao,

oh well, i am not really a sport person, and suck at most (maybe all) sports. only ones i do enjoy are squash, ping pong, but i get owned really easy.

Ping pong, that was obvious! Probably it is in your blood!:D


To drgNz: Soccer is also nice. I'm just a decent soccer player, but i like it! Just think i'm a little better at basket.:)

[Sparky9292]

It's not too complicated to switch. You need more tanks and less rockets. You need to stop endlessly spamming vees and start mixing tanks into your USA army. And you need to watch for those damn BN MiGs. Comanche Sting still works just as well, even, so its not that different.

That's why I really like the Boss Generals mod. It really fixed up the problems with 1.04 and made every unit useful.

You can download the Boss Generals mod here:

http://208.101.10.12/~bossgen/downloads/BossR3Install.exe

It's got a great installer/uninstaller and adds a awesome mod loader.

Here's the Boss Generals official site:

Boss Generals Mod Website (http://208.101.10.12/~bossgen/)

[C4]

That's why I really like the Boss Generals mod. It really fixed up the problems with 1.04 and made every unit useful.

You can download the Boss Generals mod here:

http://208.101.10.12/~bossgen/downloads/BossR3Install.exe

It's got a great installer/uninstaller and adds a awesome mod loader.

Here's the Boss Generals official site:

Boss Generals Mod Website (http://208.101.10.12/~bossgen/)

Totally agreed! BossGenerals is the best mod ever made to ZH (with due respect to everyone else).

[Zancloufer27]

It's the best for MULTIPLAYER GAMMMING. Other wise, a lot of mods out there are better >.>

[C4]

It's the best for MULTIPLAYER GAMMMING. Other wise, a lot of mods out there are better >.>

Multiplayer... Well, that's what defines a RTS as a good game or bad one, and that's exactly what ZH is good at. Some complain of ZH for lacking cutscenes and a great novel (nice but not necessary), rating it "weak". For me, it is the best of all CnC series. Exactly by having the best multiplayer of them all. Boss is just a worth-a-lot of a try to even improve it.;)

[Sqwerlpunk]

It's the best for MULTIPLAYER GAMMMING. Other wise, a lot of mods out there are better >.>


Whoa, what's gammming Zan? :D

[Cylon Crusader]

Nope, all of the above are owned by MDs, and MDs are best transported in vees. Other early MD drop, its all about MDvees.

Although lately I've been thinking about the possibilities of a MD drop spam, where you just get two rax and and extra nook or two instead of a WF, and start spamming MDs and FB rangers like mad and dropping them in the enemy base. I've seen a couple replays, and played one game myself, where a USA with loses its dozers and is stuck with just a rax, but by constantly spamming MD/ranger drops is able to win. I'm going to try it out sometime soon when I can get a USA mirror.

Do you have the replay for that cuz I would love to see it

[Zancloufer27]

Multiplayer... Well, that's what defines a RTS as a good game or bad one, and that's exactly what ZH is good at. Some complain of ZH for lacking cutscenes and a great novel (nice but not necessary), rating it "weak". For me, it is the best of all CnC series. Exactly by having the best multiplayer of them all. Boss is just a worth-a-lot of a try to even improve it.;)I

Well, I meant it has a cool and shifty multiplayer that makes for interesting games. Mind you there are some mods out there that are better.

[drgNz~]

Like 1.05c.
It's so cool, because there are no noobs playing it :]

[Daishi]

Like 1.05c.
It's so cool, because there are no noobs playing it :]
Right here. :freek:

[C4]

I

Well, I meant it has a cool and shifty multiplayer that makes for interesting games. Mind you there are some mods out there that are better.

Then i must be really unlucky, 'cause i have tried at least a dozen mods (retarded, defense, reborn, contra, u name it...) and found none of them even scratching Boss. Good design, ok, they have, good ideas, they have it too... (contra for example had some nice ideas), but balance and gameplay are always compromised. They are good to try twice, not to keep.
BTW, if u find a real good one (and mailable:D ), send it to me as an example.

Like 1.05c.
It's so cool, because there are no noobs playing it :]

It seems 1.05c finally found a place "in our hearts", didn't it? Something 1.05b couldn't achieve!... But why?
What i meant was to say how happy it makes me to see the old 1.04 :irked: dying slowly for good. And i never understood why some ppl here (1.05 was made for great players and most of u ppl here are great players) took so much time to adopt it...

BTW, to u drgNz, even if in the next tourny u stick with SWg again, your cheaper humvees will make for the win.;)

[SgtRicko]

Right here. :freek:

In truth, Daishi, it's cause I'm not much of a player, even in C&C3. Despite my efforts to try watching replays or scouring the boards for superior strats, I always end up failing miserably whenever I try something really demanding in micro-management. That's why I've kinda fallen back on tried and true strats like Scorp-Spam or MDvee rushes, or the usage of Grangers KR's as a sort of mobile missile defense/anti rocket spam unit. But now, thanks to the changes, a lot of the strats I used to survive some of my matches are gonna go down the toilet.:\

Another thing is how some players will cry "imbalance" when one units seems too useful, or sorta OP. It sometimes sounds so... whiny to me that players demand that a particularly good unit or strat get nerfed or totally eliminated, or say that a unit with a good enough niche role is crap (i.e., the Sentry drone - I tell you, that thing is a GODSEND against the stealth gen, especially if you need to fight off some rebels that snuck into your base early on or keep bypassing your spy drones). Just cause a tactic works well does not mean it has to be nerfed or eliminated so as to "balance" the game, it just means that you need to get creative and think of something else to counter whatever is the issue, dammit!

It's a whole bevy of things, really.... maybe I am too weak or inexperienced to see it for the good it is. I guess I'll finally agree with you all: 1.05c is for the better, but I won't be happy with it, cause it seems like this damned thing was aimed straight at me and my tastes with the intention of alienating me, and it has worked.

[Derek]

And i never understood why some ppl here (1.05 was made for great players and most of u ppl here are great players) took so much time to adopt it...
Because (unless things have changed) you can't get a non-CW game in 1.05. I always have it installed though, just in case.

[Zancloufer27]

Then i must be really unlucky, 'cause i have tried at least a dozen mods (retarded, defense, reborn, contra, u name it...) and found none of them even scratching Boss. Good design, ok, they have, good ideas, they have it too... (contra for example had some nice ideas), but balance and gameplay are always compromised. They are good to try twice, not to keep.
BTW, if u find a real good one (and mailable:D ), send it to me as an example.


Well, SHW is cool for single player, and is pretty god for multiplayer. I'm working with others on a Mod hosted at E-Studios that cool.
PS: Daishi: Post more dammit! IDK how some of them 'beta testers' got 'hired'. They think that vees Suck :freek:

[Daishi]

They think that vees Suck :freek:

:rofl:

I'm on it. When i get somewhere that estudios isn't teh blocked.

[Zancloufer27]

What do you mean by 'Teh Blocked'?

[Daishi]

What do you mean by 'Teh Blocked'?

As in the wireless server I'm on right now doesn't block the DEN, but it blocks E-Studios.

[Zancloufer27]

Wtf?!

[Sparky9292]

Then i must be really unlucky, 'cause i have tried at least a dozen mods (retarded, defense, reborn, contra, u name it...) and found none of them even scratching Boss. Good design, ok, they have, good ideas, they have it too... (contra for example had some nice ideas), but balance and gameplay are always compromised. They are good to try twice, not to keep.
BTW, if u find a real good one (and mailable:D ), send it to me as an example.



It seems 1.05c finally found a place "in our hearts", didn't it? Something 1.05b couldn't achieve!... But why?
What i meant was to say how happy it makes me to see the old 1.04 :irked: dying slowly for good. And i never understood why some ppl here (1.05 was made for great players and most of u ppl here are great players) took so much time to adopt it...

BTW, to u drgNz, even if in the next tourny u stick with SWg again, your cheaper humvees will make for the win.;)

Yeah, I've tried tons of mods for Generals, none are more balanced and fun as Boss Generals. I play regularly with six of my friends online. The mod is really the best of the 12 teams compressed back into 3 teams. It's basically what Zero Hour would have looked like had EA not gone with 12 teams.

Though it's difficult to find random players, if you already know people who play Generals, it's not to hard to convince them to try Boss Generals out.

[C4]

Because (unless things have changed) you can't get a non-CW game in 1.05. I always have it installed though, just in case.

I know some here had it installed (u in particular, always left it perfectly clear since i remember) but some didn't. Now, if at least our m8s here at the DEN used to play with it among ourselves should be nice. And would made it easier to find a 1.05 game in the lobby.
But i understand the boring about not having a player to play with. Now there's the chance of having the 1.05 getting official status. That should solve the problem.
BTW, some ppl here are worth of CW (and u are a pretty good example) so why not joining the CW (and 1.05)?

[Daishi]

CW is using 1.04 for a little while to help group more people into it. And I can never find a match when I'm on, because the only other CWer I personally know that's near my level sucks at managing his clanwars account. :p

I'm always up for some 1.05c ffg. ^^

[C4]

CW is using 1.04 for a little while to help group more people into it. And I can never find a match when I'm on, because the only other CWer I personally know that's near my level sucks at managing his clanwars account. :p

I'm always up for some 1.05c ffg. ^^

That's the spirit.

[Derek]

BTW, some ppl here are worth of CW (and u are a pretty good example) so why not joining the CW (and 1.05)?
Most people here couldn't play CWs. I could, Yurihomer probably could, and maybe drgnz and Zancloufer, but even I wouldn't be very good at CWs. N3m3sis did play CWs for awhile though. The main reason I never did it though was that I don't have the time to commit to it.

[Zancloufer27]

It's not my problem that the Clan Wars site is almost as badly designed as Vista :p

[Derek]

It's not my problem that the Clan Wars site is almost as badly designed as Vista :p
Pwnt :lol:

[C4]

Most people here couldn't play CWs. I could, Yurihomer probably could, and maybe drgnz and Zancloufer, but even I wouldn't be very good at CWs. N3m3sis did play CWs for awhile though. The main reason I never did it though was that I don't have the time to commit to it.

I understand! But something keeps telling me that u're overestimate the CW. I've seen (and many of you should have seen too) many replays of the CW fairly worse than some of the plays i've seen of ppl here (last yuri USAf mirror is a nice example). Those guys aren't gods. Most ppl here knows practicaly everything about the game and is fairly good at executing it. So...

[Daishi]

We're still not pros. And the all the gods of ZH do - or did - play CW.

I see your point, and you're right when you say we'd mostly make decent to low-tier CWers. And as long as Itzan and I are in different clans, we'll always have opponents near our own level.

[Cylon Crusader]

crusader, coommanche, paladin and rocket trooper spamming.

[Daishi]

gatt/quad + TH/RPG
gg bumpy noob.

[yurihomer]

clan war is just a place where there are more ppl who knows how to play the game. so if u want to improve ur game play, u have to play ppl who are at the same level or better than u. so clan war is more efficient way than quickmatch and only play someone good once a while.

[SgtRicko]

clan war is just a place where there are more ppl who knows how to play the game. so if u want to improve ur game play, u have to play ppl who are at the same level or better than u. so clan war is more efficient way than quickmatch and only play someone good once a while.

It's also a good place to go if you wish to be raped horribly and without remorse:p

[KrasnyOktyabr]

**** that ****

ive got real humvees!!!!

drunk army mechanic... **** yeah

[Daishi]

Watch out for quad + RPG, KO.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

h'oh ****

i'm more afraid of these fuggin Korean spiders

big mothers they are

build webs between our trucks- 3 feet+ in diametwer

[Zancloufer27]

Watch out for quad + RPG, KO.
Tbh Migs would be deadlier.

Also, do the webs stop bullets?

[Zardac the Great]

It is sad we can't come up with a strategy for Paladins, as they are very cool.

[Zancloufer27]

Paladins are good vs TH + Gatt.