Director Boyle's Ring

[SgtRicko]

Seems like Boyle has a preference for the good life - Ivory cane, fine clothes and all, but why does he have a green ring on his hand like Kane does?

Is this some sort of plot hint on how Boyle might similar to Kane in someway? Or maybe it's a sign of some organization, or his true allegiance? It looks far too fishy, in my opinion...:squint:

[M2M]

Seems like Boyle has a preference for the good life - Ivory cane, fine clothes and all, but why does he have a green ring on his hand like Kane does?

Is this some sort of plot hint on how Boyle might similar to Kane in someway? Or maybe it's a sign of some organization, or his true allegiance? It looks far too fishy, in my opinion...:squint:

dude.... boyle IS THE LEFT HAND OF kane...

[Mikael Grizzly]

Maybe he's married and wears a green wedding ring?

[SgtRicko]

Maybe he's married and wears a green wedding ring?

Yeah, and Kane only wants to do what is good for all mankind, and all he's done so far are just simple misunderstandings, yeah that's REAL believable man!:rolleyes:

[Mikael Grizzly]

D:

But that's true!

[Wesforce]

A Tiberium Ring? :D

[Zardac the Great]

Well, Boyle doesn't quite seem to fit in with GDI. When everything hits the fan, he panics and willingly commits atrocities to win.

[Lazzars]

tib bomb ftw

[wargrudge]

Ion Cannon FTL! :p

[Gaucho8788]

Kane FTW. HAH!

[Mikael Grizzly]

Well, Boyle doesn't quite seem to fit in with GDI. When everything hits the fan, he panics and willingly commits atrocities to win.

Solomon doesn't also fit with his racist remarks towards the Forgotten.

"Shiners CAN WAIT!"

[Derek]

Watch for spoilers people.

[Caine]

That's... That's... Recreated by Sauron!! Noo.... My precciiiooooussss...!! Boyle... that'ssss my riiiing!! My precciiiiiooouuusss riiiing!!

[Lazzars]

That's... That's... Recreated by Sauron!! Noo.... My precciiiooooussss...!! Boyle... that'ssss my riiiing!! My precciiiiiooouuusss riiiing!!

lame

well boyle does seem like he was far too easily manipulated by kane

also he was lucky to get his job as he was the only one on the ground when all the other GDI hierarchy got blown up

[Caine]

So, is it true that GDI have two different endings? I used Liquid Tiberium Bomb, and the result says that 25 millions were dead, and Granger blamed us for the usage of that bomb. What's the other ending?

[Rolk]

Thanks for ruining the end for me. Use the spoiler tags Caine.

[CO Valle]

To Caine: I was about to answer your cuestion, but...:zip:

To moderator or "someone who knows how": how do I put these "spoiler tags", I know the answer its right in front of me but - as often happens - I dont see It (sorry about off topic):cool:

[Caine]

To Caine: I was about to answer your cuestion, but...:zip:

To moderator or "someone who knows how": how do I put these "spoiler tags", I know the answer its right in front of me but - as often happens - I dont see It (sorry about off topic):cool:

Try (spoiler)(/spoiler) at the start and the end, like quoting, of a reply.

Replace () with []. :wave:

[M2M]

Try (spoiler)(/spoiler) at the start and the end, like quoting, of a reply.

Replace () with []. :wave:
well the other ending means the end of boyle, either stepping down his seat, or facing concequences for the use of the tib bomb. in either case another nice open ending. I liked the cabal story better :P

[darkrei9n]

There are a LOT of things pointing at Boyle as one of Nod. In fact. Most of its to convenient. He was treasurer for GDI. Why wasn't he up on Philadelphia? Who controls the funds for the ASAT to be on the ground? Who controls the funds for the defenses defending the ASAT defenses?

[CO Valle]

Thanx! Caine

[Delta-4]

I say Boyle is actually some sort of Scrin robot/spy/semi-clone (Meaning, he was merely a Human the Scrin created, not a complete clone of someone.) that was placed on Earth to fulfill the Scrin's needs. That green ring is made of tiberium to ensure that he recieves the same kind of tiberium radiation the rest of the Scrin require to function (Not a spoiler, as it doesn't say what happens in the plot.).
He implores you to use the liquid tiberium bomb so that tiberium's spread can be furthered across the globe when he sees that GDI is far too successful at driving back the Scrin for tiberium to survive, thus ensuring that the planet will be a tiberium wasteland (Or, at least, almost one.) by the time the Scrin return.

Well, that's my opinion. Anyone got any comments?

[Caine]

Instead of Scrin's, I do believe he's employed by Kane as an act of retaliation for what the GDI did to Nod by putting Hassan as the leader of Nod during Kane's absence on the past wars. Remember what one of the Nod's motto? "Control the media, control the mind." And who's on GDI that do most of the talks and interviews on worldwide mass media? Not Granger or other high-ranking GDI officials, but it's always Boyle, Boyle, Boyle, and Boyle.

Anyway.. Long Live the Brotherhood of Nod!

[Mikael Grizzly]

I say Boyle is actually some sort of Scrin robot/spy/semi-clone (Meaning, he was merely a Human the Scrin created, not a complete clone of someone.) that was placed on Earth to fulfill the Scrin's needs. That green ring is made of tiberium to ensure that he recieves the same kind of tiberium radiation the rest of the Scrin require to function (Not a spoiler, as it doesn't say what happens in the plot.).
He implores you to use the liquid tiberium bomb so that tiberium's spread can be furthered across the globe when he sees that GDI is far too successful at driving back the Scrin for tiberium to survive, thus ensuring that the planet will be a tiberium wasteland (Or, at least, almost one.) by the time the Scrin return.

Well, that's my opinion. Anyone got any comments?

The Scrin were dormant in the Solar System, so they couldn't have possibly planted a human-like spy on Earth especially since Boyle was just the Treasury General and didn't possess a higher rank until Philadelphia got set up her the bomb, an event unforeseeable.

[M2M]

I just love the speculation... time will tell what the geeks @ ea will bring us for nice extended edition of cnc3

[CO Valle]

The Scrin were dormant in the Solar System, so they couldn't have possibly planted a human-like spy on Earth especially since Boyle was just the Treasury General and didn't possess a higher rank until Philadelphia got set up her the bomb, an event unforeseeable.

Well, I must admit I thought that Boyle was a Nod follower, and that "event" wasn't unforeseeable to Kane, so he might have planned for it as well.

Anyway, I'm with GDI and won't deffend a theory that states that Nod is capable of infiltrating within GDI ranks (bad propaganda), but cannot ignore the fact that it MIGHT be possible.

[Caine]

Kane shall guide us to the future of humankind! Interstellar galactic system, here we come! The Tiberium will set us free! LOL Jk

[Mikael Grizzly]

Anyway, I'm with GDI and won't deffend a theory that states that Nod is capable of infiltrating within GDI ranks (bad propaganda), but cannot ignore the fact that it MIGHT be possible.

Jake was easily coerced to cooperate. Nod is capable of infiltrating GDI ranks, just as GDI is of Nod ranks.

[Daishi]

The Scrin have sent armed craft to Earth before, which were either shot down by Nod or seized as they fell dead into the yellow zones, without a threshold to maintain them.

But we can dismiss the possibility of Boyle being an alien because of his will to use crushing force to annihilate Scrin in the final battle. (he did say Nod was defeated yay, but he'd said it before and it wasn't true, Kane hadn't died)

Other points:

1) Kane knows that Sarajevo will be hit by the Ion Cannon and plans as such, and despite the wishes of GDI commanders and science, and thanks to a convenient kidnapping of that guy, Boyle is able to order engagement of the ion cannon.

2) As Kane boasts a superior knowledge of Liquid Tiberium, he and his scientists are the only ones that could add such a weapon to either army. Boyle claims it is his own commission without comment and begs you to use the bomb to eradicate the Scrin and the local Nod forces. (questionable motives: would Kane have wanted the Scrin destroyed?)

3) He also sees great power in the future of GDI. :uhh: Peace through power.

He's pretty much aligned with Nod, but something's amiss at the end... perhaps he's just out of place: he'd fit in better with Nod, but what use does Nod have for a fatcat like him?

We'll know more in the expansion, of that I'm confident.

[CO Valle]

Jake was easily coerced to cooperate. Nod is capable of infiltrating GDI ranks, just as GDI is of Nod ranks.

Man, if Oxanna came to me and ask me to help her :hyper:... I'm not sure I would be able to resist her... charms.

[Mikael Grizzly]

Man, if Oxanna came to me and ask me to help her :hyper:... I'm not sure I would be able to resist her... charms.

What I really loved was that Oxanna wasn't an OMGBOOBIES! character. She was... something much more subtle.

[CO Valle]

true

[red_pr!nce]

Boyle's plan to shoot the Temple of Nod with Ion Cannons finally exploded the liquid tiberium weapons Kane has stored beneath it. It eventually provoked six Scrin vessels to go to Earth.

It was Kane's plan, afterall. So, it is probable that Boyle is Kane's man.

All these stuffs...liquid tiberium weapon, ion cannon fires, tiberium explosions, Scrin arrival, Kane's plan to seize the Threshold tower. Sounds like a conspiracy rather than a coincident? :D

[Daishi]

Boyle's plan to shoot the Temple of Nod with Ion Cannons finally exploded the liquid tiberium weapons Kane has stored beneath it. It eventually provoked six Scrin vessels to go to Earth.

It was Kane's plan, afterall. So, it is probable that Boyle is Kane's man.
Yeah, that's when we got suspicious. What gave him away was his amazing ability to give you sudden access to a Nod-developed Tiberium Bomb and audacity to beg you to use it, with little regard for GDI's reputation. XD

[red_pr!nce]

He even didn't care what he hit. :D We are talking about millions of GDI and Nod troops in the Yellow Zones.

[Mikael Grizzly]

Yeah, that's when we got suspicious. What gave him away was his amazing ability to give you sudden access to a Nod-developed Tiberium Bomb and audacity to beg you to use it, with little regard for GDI's reputation. XD

I don't recall that he said it was Nod developed.

[CO Valle]

As far as I remember Boyle's Tiberium LQ bomb was developed by GDI WITH the information obtained from Nod.

[SgtRicko]

As far as I remember Boyle's Tiberium LQ bomb was developed by GDI WITH the information obtained from Nod.

Yeah, but it was developed WAY too quickly.

You gotta keep in mind: it was a bomb that was extremely difficult to produce and required some hard-to-find parts to be kept stable. Why do you think Kane needed you to deliver the bomb to his temple, rather than just build another one there himself?

[Daishi]

I don't recall that he said it was Nod developed.
The entire first half of the Nod campaign revolves around the completion of an LTB that only Kane understands how to compile into a working warhead, and remember Kilian informs us that Nod tends to get advances in Tiberium technology decades before GDI.

So yeah, it's quite safe to assume it was Nod-developed, especially without the help of GDI's leading Tiberium expert, who went missing just as the Battle of Sarajevo occurred, allowing Kane's plan to unfold perfectly.

The only forgivable scenario is if Boyle found the bomb and wanted to contribute to the war effort in another way. But he still wouldn't pressure you to use it if he just wanted to show off GDI's power. His goal is to replace GDI's noble, unwilling-to-sacrifice-innocent-lives image with that of a fearful superpower, all the while removing everything that challenges it, which use of the warhead installs.

But we know from experience (and the charismatic Boyle does too) that it would only reinforce Nod's beliefs and make them stronger than ever in the public eye. Therefore, we can assume Boyle's goal is to shatter the moral bedrock that holds GDI in the ground, not to eliminate Nod.

[SgtRicko]

Spot on, Daishi.

Another thing to keep in mind is that if the LTB went off in Italy, it would probably wipe out everyone on or nearby the Italian Peninsula, which is basically what Kane wanted. Recall how Kane began ordering Nod forces to attack each other, and to stay away from the southern tip of Italy, just after "Operation Stiletto"?:rockbrow:

...Oh, and I'll let you guys figure out why Kane wanted you capture the Conyards of both the Scrin and GDI before giving said orders...;)

[Daishi]

^For me, here's going to be a lot of thought going into that. The most logical explanation was that he had plans for

1) the GDI technology
2) the Scrin technology
3) the tower

And he's really, really sure of a glorious future at the end, and really, really proud of you. :nuts:

All right... as I see it, he knows the tower's purpose and wishes to use it as a gateway to distant worlds, where the faithful can prosper. The Scrin technology was stolen to understand the tower's workings and how it functions. The GDI tech is a mystery to me, though..

[SgtRicko]

Alright, here's my view: Kane had you steal the conyards in order to allow him to create the enemy's units, and then use them to attack the other factions, all the while sowing chaos and confusion between the sides and starting up fights between the GDI and Scrin so as to buy time for his plan.

But here's the trick: he also wanted those copied units to be used against HIS OWN MEN as well. Why? Simple: he wanted NOBODY to survive on the Italian Peninsula, not even his own men, with the exception of the Nod commander you play as's own forces. Kane then probably told Boyle to give the order to use the LTB so as to clear out everybody that wasn't under the completed tower's shielding.

[CO Valle]

Yeah, but it was developed WAY too quickly.

You gotta keep in mind: it was a bomb that was extremely difficult to produce and required some hard-to-find parts to be kept stable. Why do you think Kane needed you to deliver the bomb to his temple, rather than just build another one there himself?

Yeah, but after all, GDI captured the primary research center, so, those parts and components (as well as a supply of liquid tiberium). I agree it is too fast, but could be possible.

I'm just saying that perhaps there is another possibility, after all, this Boyle serves Kane thing was the first one to cross my mind.

[Zardac the Great]

I think Kane just knew the type of man Boyle was, and found a way to put a type of man he wanted in charge of GDI.

Either that, or he knew what type of man Boyle was, so when he became the Acting Director, he planned accordingly.

[starscream007]

When I finally finished the campaign I was like WTF???? I watched both endings though. Maybe in the expansion Boyle is rescued from prision and is in charge of Nod?

[Kalus0]

Scrin were dormant on the edge of our solar system for a millenia>>>

GDI took all the good places on earth for themselves and are democratically/politically corrupt, SURE mammoths pwnz0r but NOD is better

nukes ftw

[SgtRicko]

Scrin were dormant on the edge of our solar system for a millenia>>>

GDI took all the good places on earth for themselves and are democratically/politically corrupt, SURE mammoths pwnz0r but NOD is better

nukes ftw

Shows what you know. The GDI no longer even publicly elect their officials anymore: it's actually pretty close to a military dictatorship combined with an internally elected United Nations, in truth.

[Kalus0]

So they elect leaders once? that dosn't mean they aren't politically fooked up ^^

GDI is meant to be the ''good guys'' but they suck> they throw out the needy and keep the safe zones for themselves...In the NOD missions you can see the yellow zone reporter rooting for Kane just like 60 % of the worlds pop does....What wrong things did Kane do > ^^

[Blue Aurora]

Sorry to grave-dig, but I found this subject interesting.

Well, while hypocriticial, I suppose that first world states like the United States (which has a UNSC seat and is part of the G7) need to keep their chains of command relatively safe, so they would need to secure their homes. And GDI was slowly trying to recover land from Yellow Zones and Red Zones, but probably not fast enough, but I remember Munich being referred to as a "Blue Zone recovered from a Red Zone".

Realistically speaking, Kane may be an immortal genius but even then, fortune could be a deciding factor for both Nod and the GDI. My guess is, Kane simply manipulated Boyle, who he figured to be a corrupt demagogue, into ordering the ion strike. As for the Liquid Tiberium Bomb, it could probably just be Boyle trying to execute a statement from Machiavelli, which was basically striking once and so hard that it shocks the populace.

And GDI, being a dictatorship? Given the principles of the UN and it was founded on, I'm sure that they would have some protocols and limits to the position of Director. They didn't exactly explain the fate of the UN, but I do remember the GDI being it's military arm...it'll be interesting to see how it's covered in the expansion pack.

[sovietmisaki]

well if boyle's (lando cassini as some people call him due his role in the original star wars trilogy) ring was actually tiberium, he would get tib-rot pretty fast, and judging by the novel (yes I read it) he would likely suffer a painful death, so it's more likely some other green rock and it's likely due to incompetence he kind of screwed up as director of GDI

[Quadhelix]

All these stuffs...liquid tiberium weapon, ion cannon fires, tiberium explosions, Scrin arrival, Kane's plan to seize the Threshold tower. Sounds like a conspiracy rather than a coincident? :D Of course. The entire point of the Tib-lq Bomb that Kane made was to draw the Scrin to Earth prematurely.

As for being more conspiracy than coincidence, we all know that Kane is a cunning planner. While it is possible that Boyle is in on Kane's conspiracy, it is far more likely that he merely an unknowing pawn of Kane's plans.


I think Kane just knew the type of man Boyle was, and found a way to put a type of man he wanted in charge of GDI. I think that that is the most likely explanation. Of course, there is the whole thing about the Tib-lq Bomb, but then again Nod's greatest strength is their ability to plant their own agents in other groups, so perhaps some the researchers were working for Kane.


Alright, here's my view: Kane had you steal the conyards in order to allow him to create the enemy's units, and then use them to attack the other factions, all the while sowing chaos and confusion between the sides and starting up fights between the GDI and Scrin so as to buy time for his plan.

But here's the trick: he also wanted those copied units to be used against HIS OWN MEN as well. Why? Simple: he wanted NOBODY to survive on the Italian Peninsula, not even his own men, with the exception of the Nod commander you play as's own forces. Kane then probably told Boyle to give the order to use the LTB so as to clear out everybody that wasn't under the completed tower's shielding. Devious. Of course, knowing Kane, he probably did not need to have Boyle actually obeying him in order to get Boyle to follow his every whim.

Kane wants Boyle to fire the Ion Cannon at Temple Prime. How does he do it? He starts a war. All of GDI (i.e., everyone who can vote for or against Boyle in the next election) is outraged at the atrocity. Boyle, in order to make himself more popular in the next election, orders the Ion Cannon strike against the recommendation of his Generals, in part to gain boost his popularity with the title of "The Man Who Defeated Kane."

As for the Tib-lq Bomb, Boyle ordered a second bomb constructed and would have wanted it used so that he could take at least some part of the credit for the aliens' defeat. Kane, realizing that this would happen, could have infiltrated Boyle's research team with agents possessing instructions on how to complete the bomb.


Realistically speaking, Kane may be an immortal genius but even then, fortune could be a deciding factor for both Nod and the GDI. My guess is, Kane simply manipulated Boyle, who he figured to be a corrupt demagogue, into ordering the ion strike. As for the Liquid Tiberium Bomb, it could probably just be Boyle trying to execute a statement from Machiavelli, which was basically striking once and so hard that it shocks the populace. I'd say that you're probably right about most of this. Boyle's desire to use Tib-lq Bomb was probably political posturing


The only forgivable scenario is if Boyle found the bomb and wanted to contribute to the war effort in another way. But he still wouldn't pressure you to use it if he just wanted to show off GDI's power. His goal is to replace GDI's noble, unwilling-to-sacrifice-innocent-lives image with that of a fearful superpower, all the while removing everything that challenges it, which use of the warhead installs. Or, it's also possible (I might even go so far as to say "probable") that Boyle wanted the bomb used, not to change GDI's image to the outside world, but instead to improve his own image within the GDI civilian populace, whose approval he needs if he's to be elected to a second term as Director. If the Tib-lq Bomb is used to defeat the aliens, he can take a good deal of credit for the victory as the one who ordered the weapon completed.

Also, as to GDI's appearance to the rest of the world, you have to remember that the entire point of Boyle's "order" to use the Tib-lq Bomb was to stop an alien invasion and that the invaders were not discriminating between GDI, Nod, and neutral; they were killing any humans that they encountered.


But we know from experience (and the charismatic Boyle does too) that it would only reinforce Nod's beliefs and make them stronger than ever in the public eye. Therefore, we can assume Boyle's goal is to shatter the moral bedrock that holds GDI in the ground, not to eliminate Nod. Except, again, that the Tib-lq Bomb was being used to stop an alien invasion and that Boyle cared about the opinion only of the voting public.

[Daishi]

Also, as to GDI's appearance to the rest of the world, you have to remember that the entire point of Boyle's "order" to use the Tib-lq Bomb was to stop an alien invasion and that the invaders were not discriminating between GDI, Nod, and neutral; they were killing any humans that they encountered.

Except, again, that the Tib-lq Bomb was being used to stop an alien invasion and that Boyle cared about the opinion only of the voting public.You make a valid point. But then he wouldn't beg for use of a certain "terrible" warhead when you could defeat them by conventional means, just by stratofightering in some firehawks and deploying ion cannons. The press gets a hold of it, announces the catastrophe, and his motivation is unfazed. Because he wanted to instill fear into Kane supporters everywhere, consideration for the public opinion aside. What we know is that he's using a Nod weapon to morph GDI's image to match Nod's, and in the long run, it's disgraceful and will not work. Support for the rebellion will only increase when Nod ideals are proven to be reality.

[Avapodnaught]

Well, watching both endings was kind of horrifying for me, and I bet more horrifying for people who didn't save (lol), but I guess that playing it makes me realize this... boyle wasn't the brightest bulb, he got where he got knowing what he knew, tiberium wasn't his department, but if he got the general to resign and had u, the commander at his side, we would be unstoppable, adn the world would be a much different place, but I never actually found much use in the bomb but only in destroying that annoying building followed with an ion cannon, to make sure it was dead, and then I was so nub back then I died because of nod (had no idea that emitters woudl have helped....

[SgtRicko]

Kane wants Boyle to fire the Ion Cannon at Temple Prime. How does he do it? He starts a war. All of GDI (i.e., everyone who can vote for or against Boyle in the next election) is outraged at the atrocity. Boyle, in order to make himself more popular in the next election, orders the Ion Cannon strike against the recommendation of his Generals, in part to gain boost his popularity with the title of "The Man Who Defeated Kane."

Another thing that Kane did to worsen the situation was capturing GDI's tiberium specialist in Brazil when they needed his professional opinion on the matter. I'm pretty sure that if he was there, he surely would've known what could happen if an Ion strike was used on the Tib-lq.

[Quadhelix]

You make a valid point. But then he wouldn't beg for use of a certain "terrible" warhead when you could defeat them by conventional means, just by stratofightering in some firehawks and deploying ion cannons. The press gets a hold of it, announces the catastrophe, and his motivation is unfazed. Because he wanted to instill fear into Kane supporters everywhere, consideration for the public opinion aside. What we know is that he's using a Nod weapon to morph GDI's image to match Nod's, and in the long run, it's disgraceful and will not work. Support for the rebellion will only increase when Nod ideals are proven to be reality.I believe that at least one of the reasons that Boyle wted to use the Tib-lq Bomb was so that he could put his political signature on the alien's defeat. If he also wished to instill fear into Nod's supporters, he would have a "valid" political motive to do so; if he can claim to the GDI populace, still bitter from Nod's surprise invasions, that he has dealt a deathblow to Nod's morale, then his chances of reelection are significantly increased. It doesn't matter to Boyle whether Nod's morale is actually crushed, only that it appears that he has crushed it.


Another thing that Kane did to worsen the situation was capturing GDI's tiberium specialist in Brazil when they needed his professional opinion on the matter. I'm pretty sure that if he was there, he surely would've known what could happen if an Ion strike was used on the Tib-lq. True. On the other hand, Boyle might have been so eager to take credit for Kane's defeat (or do Kane's will, if you follow that hypothesis) that he would have ordered the Ion Cannon strike anyway, just so that he could say that he had given the order the resulted in Kane's death.