AI Cheats with Dozer

[Sqwerlpunk]

Before flaming me, just know that i usually play online and played AI for poops and giggles one time.

So I'm playing a hard AI, and i techterr him, stalling all development and putting a level 3 scrapped tech right outside his CC. Then i notice, that this piece of crap computer, is making dozers at like twice the speed that i could! his CC never closed its doors even, i've never seen anything like it...

[Daishi]

You've just found out firsthand that the AI cheats.

Not only that, Hard's units get a ROF boost IIRC.

[Derek]

Before flaming me, just know that i usually play online and played AI for poops and giggles one time.

So I'm playing a hard AI, and i techterr him, stalling all development and putting a level 3 scrapped tech right outside his CC. Then i notice, that this piece of crap computer, is making dozers at like twice the speed that i could! his CC never closed its doors even, i've never seen anything like it...
Not a cheat actually! I know, it seems wierd, but I will explain, I saw this one on the GR.org forums before. What it is is that dozers build very fast with power, so fast in fact that by the time the first dozer has left and the door is about to close, the second dozer is ready. The reason you never noticed this before is because you never build serveral dozers simultaneously while you have power (in the beginning of the game you have no power and everything build half as fast). Try this: In sandbox mode (skirmish with no AI) as China (I'm not entirely sure if it works with USA) build a powerplant then que up a few dozers and watch the door, it shouldn't close (at least not completely).

[drgNz~]

Don't play the computer then.

[yurihomer]

Not a cheat actually! I know, it seems wierd, but I will explain, I saw this one on the GR.org forums before. What it is is that dozers build very fast with power, so fast in fact that by the time the first dozer has left and the door is about to close, the second dozer is ready. The reason you never noticed this before is because you never build serveral dozers simultaneously while you have power (in the beginning of the game you have no power and everything build half as fast). Try this: In sandbox mode (skirmish with no AI) as China (I'm not entirely sure if it works with USA) build a powerplant then que up a few dozers and watch the door, it shouldn't close (at least not completely).
interesting, i should try.

[Sqwerlpunk]

What did I say about flaming me for playin the comp? lol, thx for the info Derek, that is really interesting...

[C4]

Ever realized how slow are the GLA to build?
Yep, u guessed it.
'Cause they have no power.
U should try to see them if they get 1 PP (or if u get their techtree as USA or China) !!!!;)

And no, u're not going to be flamed just by playing vs AI. But u should make better use of your time against Human players. In fact, vs-AI games are "unteaching" ones. Nothing of what u (really) should do (Economy harassement, for example), works vs AI, and what works vs AI is precisely what u shoudn't do against a Human player. To play against the AI is bad and will require much of your good will to resist the temptation of placing a turtle (what really works vs the AI) in the middle of the map to see a blind-as-stupid AI run towards it.

BTW, here is a list of some "cheats" the hard AI has upon is sleeve:
+20% ROF, damage
$10000 cash boosts every +- 2 min.

The list is tiny, but more than enough!!! :)

[tennesseetitans]

If you get a source of power as the GLA, all you buildings are created at an amazing speed. Buildings like the Tunnel Network are built almost immediately. Try capturing I power plant and then using that advantage to build Black Markets and Scud Storms for a huge advantage over AI and Human players.

[drgNz~]

Try capturing I power plant and then using that advantage to build Black Markets and Scud Storms for a huge advantage over AI and Human players.

Get a dozer, not a power plant. If it's possible, snipe one out with a JK & then put a near-by unit in (even JK, if there's nothing else around. You'll be able to build him back in about 10 seconds :p). Or, as Stealth, with your first TT/TechRPG, put a hijacker in and hope for the best.

And when you get power, you should focus on teching and spamming. GLA will rarely build Superweapons against anyone but another GLA (unless you're playing norush ..)

[GLAFan22]

Before flaming me, just know that i usually play online and played AI for poops and giggles one time.

So I'm playing a hard AI, and i techterr him, stalling all development and putting a level 3 scrapped tech right outside his CC. Then i notice, that this piece of crap computer, is making dozers at like twice the speed that i could! his CC never closed its doors even, i've never seen anything like it...

That depends witch AI you're playing. If you are playing China or any associated generals with that faction (Tank, nuke etc.) and you HAVE a nuclear power plant, the dozers will build without closing doors.

Well, at least thats what happens when I play in Skirmish mode:).

[Miles]

I never noticed the dozers come out before the door closes because I barely ever play with something else than vGLA, Toxin, Demo or Stealth vs the AI :)

But u should make better use of your time against Human players. In fact, vs-AI games are "unteaching" ones.

I agree with this, but the problem is that whenever I go in the 3vs3 room (I don't like 1vs1) all and I do mean all the servers are "LOLOL GWONLY NORUSH NOSW NODEMO NOAUR NOAFG NOBREATHING UNLIMITEDMONEY KEKEKEKE!"
And when I create a server myself named "No Rules, semi players only" you have whiners that want to start with 50k, whiners that cry when someone takes AFG, whiners that curse me and disconnect when I rush them and if it's not a whiner, it's a stats-obsessed pro that just wants another easy stat-boost by playing an inexperienced player like me.
It's very hard to find 1 person that has more or less equal skills than me let alone find 5 since I play 3vs3.
It takes me mostly like 20 minutes before I can finally start a game with equally skilled players and when I do finally find them there is a big chance there are game mismatches, disconnects due to crappy internet connections or just random people bitching when they see my techterror blowing up their precious Supply Dock.

It would be great if I could play with some people from this forum since you guys play the game like it should be played without being lame. But I'm afraid I'm too new to online gaming and I'd get slaughtered in no time.

[C4]

I never noticed the dozers come out before the door closes because I barely ever play with something else than vGLA, Toxin, Demo or Stealth vs the AI :).
Without power every unit or building is built half the rate, therefore the GLA (whom lack power) build everything "comparatively slow". To compensate this GLA units have few buildtime points/secs. Now imagine what happens if the GLA puts its claws in a source of power...every build is rate-doubled. This is particularly useful when teching or building BM, which are very slow to build.

I agree with this, but the problem is that whenever I go in the 3vs3 room (I don't like 1vs1) all and I do mean all the servers are "LOLOL GWONLY NORUSH NOSW NODEMO NOAUR NOAFG NOBREATHING UNLIMITEDMONEY KEKEKEKE!"
And when I create a server myself named "No Rules, semi players only" you have whiners that want to start with 50k, whiners that cry when someone takes AFG, whiners that curse me and disconnect when I rush them and if it's not a whiner, it's a stats-obsessed pro that just wants another easy stat-boost by playing an inexperienced player like me.
It's very hard to find 1 person that has more or less equal skills than me let alone find 5 since I play 3vs3.
It takes me mostly like 20 minutes before I can finally start a game with equally skilled players and when I do finally find them there is a big chance there are game mismatches, disconnects due to crappy internet connections or just random people bitching when they see my techterror blowing up their precious Supply Dock.

It would be great if I could play with some people from this forum since you guys play the game like it should be played without being lame. But I'm afraid I'm too new to online gaming and I'd get slaughtered in no time.
It's a pity that u don't appreciate 1vs1 since these are the most balanced and micro-demanding games but 2vs2 games fit here as the best alternative (3vs3 are just too crowded and rely too much on turtling and spam).
I would have the greatest pleasure playing u online. Problems here:
-I can only have a good connection when playing at a friend's house (so it is rare. I'll just add u to a list of buddies to PM then).
-I use hamachi since it has infinitely better connection quality than EA lobbies.
-I just hate 1.04 and i use 1.05e (everybody should use it too;)) but if u're totally unfamiliar with 1.05e i can suffer a bit and play 1.04 (i won't play random then though...:rolleyes:)

[sterio]

I tell you, AI isn't the type of guy to cheat. He's too honest for that. I've played against him in Warcraft 3 a bit, and he never cheated then to my knowledge, and I doubt he'd ever do it in Generals or ZH. He's just too nice, really. It's not in his character. You must be mistaken... :D

[Miles]

I tell you, AI isn't the type of guy to cheat. He's too honest for that. I've played against him in Warcraft 3 a bit, and he never cheated then to my knowledge, and I doubt he'd ever do it in Generals or ZH. He's just too nice, really. It's not in his character. You must be mistaken... :D

I go out and have a drink with AI after each game. He's a nice person and I vouch for him too!
AI is just... mentally challenged because he keeps sending only 2 or 3 tanks at my gammabuses and never realises that he can use those Migs or Raptors to rape my Buggies who are demolishing his base.
But hey, he must have a low IQ. Not his fault.

[C4]

I tell you, AI isn't the type of guy to cheat. He's too honest for that. I've played against him in Warcraft 3 a bit, and he never cheated then to my knowledge, and I doubt he'd ever do it in Generals or ZH. He's just too nice, really. It's not in his character. You must be mistaken... :D
lol. Oh, some of my mates say the Ai is a relative of mine. I just don't know which branch of my family tree he is from. And he is a little dumb, yes, but u know, family is family...:rofl:

[Derek]

What are you talking about? His micro sucks ass! He just throws units at you! A computer could micro as well as AI!

Also, time travel.

[SgtRicko]

I go out and have a drink with AI after each game. He's a nice person and I vouch for him too!
AI is just... mentally challenged because he keeps sending only 2 or 3 tanks at my gammabuses and never realises that he can use those Migs or Raptors to rape my Buggies who are demolishing his base.
But hey, he must have a low IQ. Not his fault.

You gotta admit though, AI is pretty good with his micro!:lol:

[C4]

He is more macro oriented. He never forgets a task. Who cares they are all stupid?!...:D
Micro is other world to him. Sometimes i do get angry at him but he never listen to me...:happysad: