Lion's Daily Blurb - Wed., Thurs., April 25-26

[Lion]

I think I've mentioned a few times that I live next door to a farm. My farmer friend asked me the other day if I've noticed that the sun is becoming hotter that in previous years. He wanted my opinion because he knows I work on roofs a lot, and I guess figured I'd know since I'm exposed to the sun all the time, unless of course it's cloudy out. He thinks his cows have been acting funny, and blames it on the sun...I dunno. Anyhoot, I have noticed for the past few years that I get a tan much faster than I use to early in the year, and sometimes I get burnt a bit. Yes, I do splash on that smelly sunscreen crap. I think bees are attracted to that stuff ya know. So yea, I think the sun's rays are cutting through our atmosphere with a tad more intensity than in the past. I'm not talking about heat as far as temps go. I'm no science guru, but I guess it's the ultra-violet rays that are on the increase, or maybe damage to the ozone layer. If I got that part wrong, I'm sure someone will gladly come along and correct me. Peeps LUV to correct me for some reason, and take great pleasure in doing so. Ok, so do we have a problem, or is it much ado about nothing?

[General Al Ramsey]

Well LION it could be the ultra violent rays are sneaking through the hole in the endzone layer. Or the farmers cows are acting funny cuz the food he is feedin' the cows. (bad pet food) Or the cows are going loco because they have mad human disease. What ever the cause I would stay indoors and watch out for the Scrin. I would turtle up if I were you. :sadwave:


At least now they won't be correcting you,:hyper: they will correct me.

[Apolo]

It could do with the CO2 emmisions on the rise,you see as far as i understand CO2 (Cardon Dioxide a pollutant)collects up in the Earths atmosphere and dosent let UV radiation from the sun escape the Earths atmosphere as IR radiation,so all thats happning apparently is that the UV radiation isent escaping the Earths atmosphere thus cooking it (Green House Effect)making the general temprature go up.That could be it but there is easily another few theories why the Cows are acting funny and why Lion is finding it hotter in his part of the world than usual.BTW correct me if im wrong and sorry if my post wasent right lol.:)

[pcnerd37]

I never put sun screen on. I burn once a year or so, the severity of which depends on the time of exposure. After that, im set and dont burn again as long as I get regular sun exposure. I never seem to tan much. My arms tan a little bit but thats it. Im the poster boy for a farmers tan. Well, time to go get my first sunburn of the year...

[Star Wars Man]

Hey Lion, you may want to put more than just a bit of sunscreen. The reason I say this is because getting skin cancer from sunburns (called melanoma) can get really nasty as it progress from stage to stage. There is a sunscreen available that sprays on instead of a creme, though I don't know if it has the same protection or not. So just keep putting it on, regardless of what you think.

Moving on. Quite possibly, the fact is the Sun's rays are getting stronger as our ozone layer weakens from too much CO2. This could be the reason why the cows are acting strange, though there are a plethora of reasons why they could be acting up. The Sun's rays are only going to get stronger as the CO2 in the atmosphere increases and the ozone layer weakens, but it will probably never get to that of the movie "The Core", but it's possible.

I don't really know anything for sure, primarily because I can't see the future, but who knows what'll happen in the coming years.

[CnConrad]

I So yea, I think the sun's rays are cutting through our atmosphere with a tad more intensity than in the past. I'm not talking about heat as far as temps go. I'm no science guru, but I guess it's the ultra-violet rays that are on the increase, or maybe damage to the ozone layer. If I got that part wrong, I'm sure someone will gladly come along and correct me. Peeps LUV to correct me for some reason, and take great pleasure in doing so. Ok, so do we have a problem, or is it much ado about nothing?

I wont realy correct you my friend but i will point out some very interesting trivia as well as a few thought provoking questions.

Trivia
1) The next time that we hit a record high take a look at the date that previous record was set. Ie. There wernt many cars in 1911 :chin:

2) The Rainforest uses as much O2 as it produces.

Questions to make you think.
1) How long has the world been around?
2) How long have people been around?
3) How long have people been recording temperature?

Answers
1) Over 3,000,000 years
2) Around 30-75,000 years
3) Under 200 years.

Are you telling me that we can take a look at a section of time .000006 as long as the earth has been around and make any conclusion that makes sence?

Now dont think i dont care about The earth but, there are more important problems than global warming.

Ps In the early 80's peopel thought the world was globaly cooling :D

[Derek]

It could do with the CO2 emmisions on the rise,you see as far as i understand CO2 (Cardon Dioxide a pollutant)collects up in the Earths atmosphere and dosent let UV radiation from the sun escape the Earths atmosphere as IR radiation,so all thats happning apparently is that the UV radiation isent escaping the Earths atmosphere thus cooking it (Green House Effect)

Quite possibly, the fact is the Sun's rays are getting stronger as our ozone layer weakens from too much CO2.
Both wrong. The greenhouse effect has nothing to do with UV rays, thats the Ozone's department. And CO2 has nothing to do with Ozone, thats, well, its Ozone.
Ozone (O3) - reflects UV rays
Carbon Dioxide* (CO2) - Reflects infared rays

Now since there are no significant UV ray sources on Earth, they are almost all coming from the Sun, so they get reflected away from the Earth. On the otherhand there are plenty of infared rays being emited by the Earth (mostly from visible rays being downshifted) and few from the Sun, so these mostly get reflected back down to Earth.

*CO2 isn't the only greenhouse gas, there are numerous others, such as Methane (CH4)
Questions to make you think.
1) How long has the world been around?
2) How long have people been around?
3) How long have people been recording temperature?

Answers
1) Over 3,000,000 years
2) Around 30-75,000 years
3) Under 200 years.

Are you telling me that we can take a look at a section of time .000006 as long as the earth has been around and make any conclusion that makes sence?
Temperatue has been measured in parts of the world for close to 400 years, and there are methods to get very accurate estimates for average temperature going back several thousands of years.

[SgtRicko]

Temperatue has been measured in parts of the world for close to 400 years, and there are methods to get very accurate estimates for average temperature going back several thousands of years.

Still though, we've really only seen a small part of the Earth's life-cycle -- we honestly can't say for sure if there really was some kind of natural cause for global warming or not.:\

[Peppers30]

I beleive that it may be caused by the shift of the earth. The earth tilts its axis every year a little more or less than the previous year (Extremely little but can make a difference). This causes the rays from the sun to be at a different angle which makes the rays stronger. You also have to consider solar flares. We are in a stage where the sun is putting out alot of solar flares which could cause this.

[CO Valle]

Now dont think i dont care about The earth but, there are more important problems than global warming.



Global warming or not, the efforts to make this a cleaner world MUST be taken seriously. True there're far more important IMMEDIATE problems, but that doesn´t mean that we don't have to take care of them.

[Zri]

I think this is global warming, because in my country(which is located somewhere in south east Asia), my family and I are also complaining about the increase in heat! Like as though my country's weather isn't hot enough... Maybe Scrin is coming!:D

[Daishi]

The hottest 5 years in recorded history were 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, and 2001, increasing sharply since 1980. The global temperature is getting hotter, ice is vanishing from subpolar regions, but I think the recent heat/rain surge in the States is just a mixed-up weather pattern, and that we can't assume it is because of GW.

When summer produces the worst hurricane is recorded history and a devastrating heat wave across the US nation (which I hear has already hit Europe and India) which I truly believe will happen, I and the rest of America will acknowledge that our future as humans is in danger. It could just be another fear tactic in the disguise of a good-hearted plead for the USA's attention, though, because this coming disaster is indeed a major political issue by now.

[General Al Ramsey]

[quote=Daishi;336306]The hottest 5 years in recorded history were 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, and 2001, increasing sharply since 1980. The global temperature is getting hotter, ice is vanishing from subpolar regions, but I think the recent heat/rain surge in the States is just a mixed-up weather pattern, and that we can't assume it is because of GW.[quote=Daishi;336306]

This is totally wrong. 2005 was the hottest year since 1998. And this is from a very pro global warming group. Ice is melting since 1961 according to this site. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/recordtemp2005.html
But doesn't that make more land available for the surplus population? Won't we be able to farm more land, with more crops, to feed more people and cattle? I disagree that just because we warm up a little that this is the end of the world.

This was taken from their article:
"Global average surface temperatures pushed 2005 into a virtual tie with 1998 as the hottest year on record worldwide.[1] (http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science/recordtemp2005.html#1) For people living in the Northern Hemisphere—most of the world's population—2005 was the hottest year on record since 1880, the earliest year for which reliable instrumental records were available worldwide."

[Daishi]

hmm. I heard the above wrongs from a friend. Sorry Al, will check my facts next time ;)

But doesn't that make more land available for the surplus population? Won't we be able to farm more land, with more crops, to feed more people and cattle?

Yeah, though we'll be losing a lot more land where the world's population is most crowded as the sea levels rise and many rivers and inland seas shrink.

I disagree that just because we warm up a little that this is the end of the world. I do too. All I can see happening is hostile transformations of the definitive Earthly life as we see apocalyptic conditions in certain regions. But we're humanity, we rock, we'll make it.

[Alpha and Omega]

One way or another it's HOT!
Personally, I took a lesson from the Middle Eastern cultures, I lay a bandana on my head then put on a cap so that the bandana covers my neck and head well. I soak the bandana in cool (not cold) water for a while before doing this.
Guarranteed best way to keep yourself cool and protect you from the sun.

[Gaucho8788]

I just bear with the temperatures no matter what it is.

[waterboy100]

here's a comic strip that nicely illustrates the problem

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/funky.asp?date=20070422

and this is my first post

[sterps]

Ok as stated above, UV radiation has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect if the earth.
UV radiation is absorbed in both the formation and the destruction of ozone molecules.
CO2 has to do with the greenhouse effect. An increased amount will cause the earth to warm, but also increase earths albedo (reflectively of incoming shortwave radiation).

What needs to be looked at is what the farmer said, is the 'Sun' becoming hotter?
The only thing that i can think of right now is either, thinner ozone layer, or possibly lion are u gettin for sunny days? Whereas b4 u might have had more rainy or overcast days.

To the whole global warming thing. Im not denying it, but there are non political reasons to why it might not be the case. The ice cores they dig up at poles contain bands of black, which are carbon deposits from 1000's of years ago. The thicker the band, the more carbon was present in the atmosphere that year. Thru study of these, they found that about every 20000 years, the earth goes thru a warm period, and i think we are actually in the right time for a new one.
But then again the we could indeed be speeding up this process.

[SgtRicko]

To the whole global warming thing. Im not denying it, but there are non political reasons to why it might not be the case. The ice cores they dig up at poles contain bands of black, which are carbon deposits from 1000's of years ago. The thicker the band, the more carbon was present in the atmosphere that year. Thru study of these, they found that about every 20000 years, the earth goes thru a warm period, and i think we are actually in the right time for a new one.
But then again the we could indeed be speeding up this process.

Most likely the truth.