Lion's Daily Blurb - Wed., Thurs., May 9-10

[Lion]

Six Muslims were arrested this week in the United States after law enforcement and FBI agents kept a close eye on them for the past 16 months. According to THIS STORY (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270601,00.html), they were plotting to kill hundreds of US soldiers at Fort Dix. Five of the men lived near Philadelphia. That city is in my home state, and about a three hour drive from where I live. Makes ya wonder just how many more homegrown terrorists we have in the USA that are planning and plotting evil acts. I'm sure those six aren't the only ones. An unidentified US citizen alerted police to those six men way back in January of 2006 because he was suspicious of their actions. Good thing he had the fortitude to act. About the only thing we have in my neck of da woods are diehard home grown rednecks...most are harmless if left alone. A few of them are ex-Vietnam vets, drink beer, ride cycles, and eat terrorists for breakfast. One of the dudes who lives on main street in my local town bites the heads off of rats for kicks. Yea, he's section 8 and proud of it. Anyhoot, ya'll watch your backs and your neighborhoods. Ya just never know who might be living in YOUR neck of da woods.

[HawkEye1102002]

MI5 has around 4000 muslims under survelance in the United Kingdom, and sadly, our government does not try to combat extreamists here, there is the story of one extreamist who was going to be deported to Lybia, but was stopped because of "human rights abuses".
For starters, these extreamists do not deserve human rights as they want to deny human rights to their victims and the rest of the world, and secondally, why should we as law obiding citizenz put up with them here on our doorsteps.

I bet they hare here for political correctness reasons, the anti cartoon protests were never counterd by the police. Also the protests wern't counterd by moderate muslims, where were they during the cartoon protest?
A major problem is that if anyone sais something or stands up to these extreamist muslims who preach hate, we would be branded "racist" by the PC left wing liberals, while those idiots don't realise that Islam is a religion, not a race - we face being labled well as the possibility of arrest if any word is mentioned against other cultures and religions, but for some reason, it is perfectly fine to say anything against British culture and christianity.

[berlin88]

It might also be worthwhile, to point out that some of the suspects were also illegal immigrnats. The fact they were illegal immigrants almost guarantess they will be charged with something. However, these jihad fanatics are also little different, in that four of them were from Europe (Yugoslavia) and not a Middle Eastern country like other Jihadists.

Many people simply look at the Middle East or Africa when they think of Muslims and Jihadists, which allows Muslims from the Balkans or South East Asia + the Phillipines to slip uner the radar at times, since people are less likely to assume they are a Muslim. (unless they act or dress like it).

Jihadists and other Islamic fanatics do acts of evil in the name of religion, and seek to kill eveyrone who is not Islamic.

Islamic fanatics believe their religion is under siege, and that they must respond with violence to protect it.

Most Jihadists are also from developing countries and may have lived in poverty.

Jihadists do not respect their own lives, so how can they respect someone elses life? They feel blowing themselves up in the name of religion is ok.

Say somethig anti Islamic and the Muslim commnuity is up in arms claiming discrimination or racism, then demand an apology. Yet, they feel they can say whetevr they want about non Muslim and its ok.

Muslim community leaders claim they do not support Terrorists and Jihadists, yet they take no action to stop it. Hence they fail ot back up their words.

Islamic and Democracy do not work well together, as they contradict each other.

Islamic society and culture and like Mideval Europe was a long time ago, but they refuse to admit there is a prroblem, and are stuck in denial.

[starscream007]

I still cant believe these four guys actually were going to attack a military base.

[Ace]

yer i think the moderate and nice moslems are afraid to speak cause if they do they can get killed or something by those extremist guys or their likes.. :\

religion is being used by people to justify their bad acts, and some of their beliefs are actually just good old hatred against new inventions and stuff like that. They believe america is evil and sometimes when civies get killed you wonder that too but i know america is not evil cause we are just people and people are random and **** gets wrong and some people have strange funny ideas that really cant benefit mankind at all.
The iranian Foreign minister was visiting my country and the mofo didnt shake our politicians hand.. :p only cause she was a woman.
Whatever people running that country makes the people in jay walking look like nice einsteins... damn why cant those guys running that country try to make peace and show the world some love? :(
Hahah i read the article damn 4 dumb terrorists againsta whole Us base?! Man Mr Bean or Leslie Nielsen or George bush could have single handedly stoped them :D

[WNxAnthrax]

Makes you wonder how the hell they planned to get past the MP with the M-16... considering if your going over a certain ammount of speed or fail to stop they can open fire on the car... Still messed up that they planned to attack Fort Dix. Just comes to show how far they'd go to kill american service men and women.

[CnConrad]

It might also be worthwhile, to point out that some of the suspects were also illegal immigrnats. The fact they were illegal immigrants almost guarantess they will be charged with something. However, these jihad fanatics are also little different, in that four of them were from Europe (Yugoslavia) and not a Middle Eastern country like other Jihadists.

Many people simply look at the Middle East or Africa when they think of Muslims and Jihadists, which allows Muslims from the Balkans or South East Asia + the Phillipines to slip uner the radar at times, since people are less likely to assume they are a Muslim. (unless they act or dress like it).

Jihadists and other Islamic fanatics do acts of evil in the name of religion, and seek to kill eveyrone who is not Islamic.

Islamic fanatics believe their religion is under siege, and that they must respond with violence to protect it.

Most Jihadists are also from developing countries and may have lived in poverty.

Jihadists do not respect their own lives, so how can they respect someone elses life? They feel blowing themselves up in the name of religion is ok.

Say somethig anti Islamic and the Muslim commnuity is up in arms claiming discrimination or racism, then demand an apology. Yet, they feel they can say whetevr they want about non Muslim and its ok.

Muslim community leaders claim they do not support Terrorists and Jihadists, yet they take no action to stop it. Hence they fail ot back up their words.

Islamic and Democracy do not work well together, as they contradict each other.

Islamic society and culture and like Mideval Europe was a long time ago, but they refuse to admit there is a prroblem, and are stuck in denial.


That is so true... You have to wonder who can possibly aginst closing the holes in our borders.

Its a shame that people want to come to America yet don't want to be
Americans.
~CrC~

[SgtRicko]

I still cant believe these four guys actually were going to attack a military base.

Lion, am I the only guy that finds this attempt to attack a FREAKING MILITARY FORT a little, um... hillarious???:lol: :rofl: :lmao:

[EliteGi]

With rocket propelled grenades and AK-47's, anything would be possible.

[Daishi]

This is good news, for certain. Not only does it prove that our paranoia is not unsupported, it really renews faith in what homeland security was before the unconstitutional Patriot Act came around.Lion, am I the only guy that finds this attempt to attack a FREAKING MILITARY FORT a little, um... hillarious???:lol: :rofl: :lmao:
You're also the only one not to realize they could've pulled it off.

[General Al Ramsey]

This does seem a little odd to me that these guys were going to attack a military base. They seem to do the most damage against civilians who are unsuspecting and unarmed. I would seriously wait to pass judgement on these guys. There was a similar case in my state in just down the road in a small town in Northern California. It turned out there was very little evidence to convict the people. These guys do not sound like they were connected to al Queda and if anything they sound like they are not playing with a full deck. (Hence attacking a military base.) It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the election and all.

As for terrorists living close by. I live about 3 hours from the Mexican border. If the Mexicans can come in to our state with no problem I think the terrorists will have even an easier time. And nothing has changed even with the new Homeland Security!

[whano123]

The Store Clerk that reported these guys to the FBI should get a Presidential Medal of Freedom Mr. Bush. Also, I hope the idea that 3 of these guys were illegal immigrants rings a bell Mr. President.

[CnConrad]

You're also the only one not to realize they could've pulled it off.


Yea they were planning on acting like pizza delivery boys to get in. Throw some grenades in some barraks kill a few good men and women then run away....

Terrorists dont need to take over the US we are giving it to them on a platter.

[Slapper]

Dont even get me started.......

Been saying for years what i think of situations like this and the so called Peaceful Muslims and what that Religion preaches, or to be politically correct, what some people use Islam for, bending its priniciples to justify murder.

Makes me sick to be honest.

Same thing happened last year about 3 Hours from where i live, they got Caught plotting to blow up the CN Tower in Toronto......not a good feeling Lion man.

The Rednecks in my parts pretty much mirror your guys, Cycle riding, Big Bearded and crazy as they come. We should send those guys to deal with Terrorists, i may even feel pity for the Bad Guys, they are not stable those Rednecks..lol. fight fire wit fire rings a bell.

They arent too smart those Extremists though, think about how they got caught, imbeciles for sure.

Worst thing i guess is that those type bring suspicion and contempt on ALL Muslims by most Westerners these days and noone trusts any new faces in any town or city anymore, especially if they even look Middle Eastern or go to Mosques...

And to be honest, i cannot blame most normal folk for being a little paranoid...and mistrustful and uneasy when a Muslim family with young men in it moves next door to them, its their OWN kind that is bringing this upon the rest of them.

A small minority of them...but the fact that the Moderates sit back and do nothing is what grabs me by the joojoo's....

Ive said it a thousand times, if all the Muslims who are law abiding and peaceful actually gave 2 s**ts about what people think about them, they would act as a group and silence and denounce and report all the Extremists and help with it instead of doing nothing, or even quietly supporting Terrorist acts and agreeing with mass murder.

We have seen our share of places and people that rejoiced over Sept 11th....do something about it instead of crying racism, all of them. They should understand that the acts of a small group that use Islam for their own purposes are the ones responsible for our Society and many other Societys now looking at them all with suspicion. Anyone with a brain can figure that out, but yet i see all these talk shows filled with BS about what the reasons are, hours of discussion between Muslims and White Christians, i watch that and laugh once a minute at the stupid, idiotic answers given by the Muslims...Does that Religion preach stupidity and ignorance of the facts? Because it does seem that way sometimes, given what i hear and see....gimme a break, only idiots or people with no common sense cant figure it out. Ive heard every answer but the truth from most of them on CNN, CBS, ABC, CBC, every newshour discussion show, heel even right here on this forum i have seen it.... about how its Bush's fault, America's fault, everyone elses fault but the Terrorists, oh wait, blame it on Israel.....LOL!...blah blah blah...heard it all. Theres 2 billion plus Muslims on this planet, band together to do something worthwhile, like Jihading against your Islamic Brothers who ruin it for the rest of you and prove to the rest of the civilized world that Islam is peaceful, instead of Jihading on Westerners and anyone who doesnt agree with the Muslim position on World Affairs and who is responsible for all that is bad in their Countries and Regions.....Try f'in looking to your own corrupt Governments instead of pointing the finger at anyone....... and im talking to ALL of them when i say this, it always BS doubletalk and answers that do not match reality...Excuse after excuse for killing innocents. They may not all agree with Osama and his way of doing things, but you wont see any of em shedding tears when good American boys and girls and others die fighting in the Middle East...do you?....didnt think so...

Its no mystery now in this day and age of Jihad that most do not want anything to do with Islam or Muslims in their Neighborhoods and they protest when Mosques are being built.....I personally wouldnt want one in my Neighborhood and tbh, there are no Mosques in my Town of 62,000, nor would most of us want one. They are a hotbed of hate and aggression, thats my take on them and im not alone.

To me, Shar'ia Law and anything close to it is cruel, does subjugate women and forbids basic human rights and belongs in the Middle Ages, not in the 21st Century. It is a plague if you ask me, this Islamic Extremism and should be stepped on like a bug and squashed at every corner and opportunity, but thats just me.

[hissingnewt]

I doubt they could have pulled it off. The pizza thing somebody said, I'm pretty sure the MP would have noticed a few hand grenades on them or at least searched them.

[General Al Ramsey]

Dont even get me started.......
A small minority of them...but the fact that the Moderates sit back and do nothing is what grabs me by the joojoo's....

Ive said it a thousand times, if all the Muslims who are law abiding and peaceful actually gave 2 s**ts about what people think about them, they would act as a group and silence and denounce and report all the Extremists and help with it instead of doing nothing, or even quietly supporting Terrorist acts and agreeing with mass murder.



Good to get you started Slapper.....I have thought about this a lot. Why don't the so called "moderate" Muslims speak out against their fellow brothers who are condemning all Muslims by their actions? Their silence says that they do condone the actions of the terrorists!

[Daishi]

Good to get you started Slapper.....I have thought about this a lot. Why don't the so called "moderate" Muslims speak out against their fellow brothers who are condemning all Muslims by their actions? Their silence says that they do condone the actions of the terrorists!

I've wondered about that, but the older immigrant muslims I know don't really talk about terrorism against America much. As far as I can tell, they think the fanaticism we've been fighting to be completely unrelated to their own religion, which it truly is.

Us speaking out against jihad terrorism may be a good plan, except Islamic organizations are few in number, while you find Christian organizations dotting the Western landscape. And I've never been to a Christian mass, but I don't think you guys go constantly denouncing the KKK when they represent a serious current issue. :\ No offense...

[hissingnewt]

The KKK actually burn crosses, which shows they aren't a Christian group.

[Daishi]

Ah... I just now did my research, and thus have zero analogies to relate the jihadists to...

I guess it doesn't go without saying that we don't like condone the slaughter of innocent men, no matter what their belief. :(

[hissingnewt]

Yeah, unfortunately, extremists of almost any religion might do that.:(

[General Al Ramsey]

OK Daishi point well taken. I could see how someone might not speak up. Very similar as to why the Germans did not say anything about the killing of the Jewish people. A lot of killing was done and religion was used as an excuse to murder, same as nationalism, or for just plain greed.

But as a Christian I would hope I would speak out against senseless killing especially using women and children carrying suicide bombs. Where is the outrage on this? Especially from the Islamic community?

[HawkEye1102002]

Another thing that bothers me when Muslims cry out victim when a muslim man gets arrested here - another thing that has outraged me is the fact in our country, some cities (such as Oldham) have areas where it is "no go" for non muslims.

I recall a TV show here that there were a bunch of normal people VS members of the MCB (Muslim Council of Britain), a woman asked a member of the MCB "Since we allow you to build Mosques here, would you allow us to build Churches in your home country?"
The man from the MCB was trying to change the subject, the woman asked the question again, after a few seconds of hasteling him to ask the question, the man from the MCB silantly said "Yeh, yeh, yeh", nodding and then moved onto another subject.

Also the MCB wanted to change our ways of schooling here as well (http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/global.php?id=807725), I think that religious communities and faith schools is one fine example of failiure of intergrating into the country.

If muslims want to be respected, then they should stand up without fear, with a full heart and denounce the terrorists, sadly only a little few has done it, and doesn't reach the medias radar - but there again, the BBC hates the west and will support anyone on the left

[starscream007]

Yeah, unfortunately, extremists of almost any religion might do that.:(


Not necessarily the evangelicals in the US dont use violence, they use the Republicans. In addition to demonizing everyone else

[Wrecking Crew]

One of the dudes who lives on main street in my local town bites the heads off of rats for kicks. Yea, he's section 8 and proud of it.

Me and RVMECH drink gasoline and eat razor blades for breakfast. We also chew rocks to aid digestion. RV is a bit crazy at times but we get along alright. :D

[EliteGi]

I doubt they could have pulled it off. The pizza thing somebody said, I'm pretty sure the MP would have noticed a few hand grenades on them or at least searched them.
That's just silly. Imagine how easy it is to rip a car seat open, put some grenades, Ak-47's and even RPG's in there, sowe the seats up and put a knife somewhere in the car.

Get knife, open up seats, obtain weapons.

That's just one of the many possibilities (that I can think of, on the spot).

Some people just don't realise how easy it is to conceal things like this. It could have easily been pulled off. Tens of soldiers could have died.

[coffasm]

Makes you wonder how the hell they planned to get past the MP with the M-16... considering if your going over a certain ammount of speed or fail to stop they can open fire on the car... Still messed up that they planned to attack Fort Dix. Just comes to show how far they'd go to kill american service men and women.


I have lived on and near Fort Dix for most of my life. Seeing a MP was rare. Fort Dix is kind of an open base to the public since 3 or 4 major township roads go right through it. There are no gates or guard posts anywhere on the base with the exception of the armories. As a matter of fact one of the roads go right past a whole mess of barracks. Most of the base is closed down now.

[killcrazy]

What's funny to me is the implication that an attack on one of our military bases would be somehow evil.

We are attacking them, in their countries, 24/7.

We bitch and complain that their method of warfare involves killing civilians (as if ours doesn't, we just call it by the euphemism "collateral damage.")

But even an attack on a military base is still somehow dirty pool. Those dirty ay-rabbs, attacking us in our country! The polite thing would be to just sit there in THEIR lands, taking it like bitches.

[eLDiablo]

We are attacking them, in their countries, 24/7.


Iirc, some if not MOST of the people arrested here were from Eastern Europe.

Four of the men were born in the former Yugoslavia, one was born in Jordan and one came from Turkey, authorities said. Who's attacking who where now?


And Civilians are not intended targets of the U.S. military, whereas they are the intended targets during terrorist attacks. Guerilla Warfare, when being utilized often ends up taking the most civilians lives however, as noone ever knows where the next shot is coming from and crossfires will develope very easily.

[Daishi]

What's funny to me is the implication that an attack on one of our military bases would be somehow evil.

We are attacking them, in their countries, 24/7.

We bitch and complain that their method of warfare involves killing civilians (as if ours doesn't, we just call it by the euphemism "collateral damage.")

But even an attack on a military base is still somehow dirty pool. Those dirty ay-rabbs, attacking us in our country! The polite thing would be to just sit there in THEIR lands, taking it like bitches.

So, since it was probably vengeance that drove them to attempted murder of many civilians, it's not evil at all! In fact, it would have been perfectly fair for them to have killed our fellow freedom-lovers without any intervention by us, after all, an eye for an eye. The WTC? Screw it! They were only evening the score! :freek:

Look, It wouldn't change my opinion if our government wiped every family in the middle east off the face of the Earth. If someone wants to attack my innocent neighbors, It'd strike me as evil, and I would seek to prevent it.

But as a Christian I would hope I would speak out against senseless killing especially using women and children carrying suicide bombs. Where is the outrage on this? Especially from the Islamic community?

It's possible that it's just not getting media coverage. Also a possibility that there are too few outspoken Muslims in America to be heard. But what I keep telling myself over and over is it goes without saying.:thought: I don't agree with the extremists, and I'm not telling anyone if they don't ask.

[killcrazy]

Islam is a power bloc. It could be said that it's a loosely-organized superpower of sorts. The fact that they're from Turkey or Chechnya or wherever doesn't much matter. It's also illustrative of world opinion regarding the United States.

Point is, it's just a military attack.

"Oh no, those bastards attacked us! Dirty pool!"

And Civilians are not intended targets of the U.S. military, whereas they are the intended targets during terrorist attacks. Guerilla Warfare, when being utilized often ends up taking the most civilians lives however, as noone ever knows where the next shot is coming from and crossfires will develope very easily.
Yes, civilian deaths are a side effect of United States military policy. Like use of depleted uranium munitions, clusterbombs, etc in civilian areas. Not to mention the unavoidable consequences of widespread disruption of civilian infrastructure, all of which amounts to a defacto scorched-earth policy.

I'd also dispute the idea that it's an unintended side effect, and even "side effect" may be a misnomer. After all, it happened in the first Gulf War with destroyed infrastructure and embargo, Vietnam with Agent Orange and unexploded munitions, Japan with fallout from Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Then there was the whole bombing of Dresden. Oh, and the fact that in Japan, both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were deliberate attacks on civilian targets.

I'm really not a bleeding heart-- knowing all the above, I don't really give that much of a rip about it. But at least be honest.

[Ariss(DJ)]

It's worth to mention that 4 of terrorist where ethnic Albanians from Kosovo.

[MercZ]

Honestly I don't think we should be focusing so much on their religion or ethnicity... that really doesn't matter in the end when it boils down to their political beliefs... they just use religion and other things as a backing.

The media's pretty much painted all Muslims the same way... the community I live in has a good number of Muslims and I think they've integrated pretty well, and they live as they need to, and as this is Texas it ain't something that's so common. If people continue to stereotype and be ethnocentric, we'll begin to drown in hatred.