Lion's Daily Blurb - Tues., Wed., May 29-30

[Lion]

On Tuesday, according to THIS STORY (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276014,00.html), Russia test launched a new intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry multiple warheads (nuclear), and can penetrate any current or future defense systems. Least that's what they claim, and are bragging about. Obviously this test was in response to the USA's ongoing development of a missile defense system that can shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles. The way I see it, in the event that either side decides to launch a nuclear attack somewhere in the future, it ain't gonna matter much cause if we're not killed by the initial blasts from the nukes, the radioactive fallout will do us in eventually. Both sides have many numerous nukes, enough to blow up several worlds. I doubt any current or near future missile defense system would be capable of stopping so many nukes anyhow. Between the USA and Russia, there are currently over 5,000 nuclear warheads to toss around.

[starscream007]

the cold war is back

[ShadowClaw]

the cold war is back

If it is then at least it will give the media something else to focus on rather than what actress is currently going into rehab or some other non-important thing that will go on for weeks

~Shadowclaw

[General Al Ramsey]

If it is then at least it will give the media something else to focus on rather than what actress is currently going into rehab or some other non-important thing that will go on for weeks

~Shadowclaw

Thanks for putting it into perspective for the media. Why do I care if some celeb is drunk and or high and crash their new Mercedes?

Unfortunately LION these are multiple head missiles. They make the nukes we dropped over Japan look like miniature warheads. I wanna know though how the Ruskies think it will penetrate any missile defense system? They must be stealth nukes!

[warstomp]

On Tuesday, according to THIS STORY (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276014,00.html), Russia test launched a new intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry multiple warheads (nuclear), and can penetrate any current or future defense systems. Least that's what they claim, and are bragging about. Obviously this test was in response to the USA's ongoing development of a missile defense system that can shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles. The way I see it, in the event that either side decides to launch a nuclear attack somewhere in the future, it ain't gonna matter much cause if we're not killed by the initial blasts from the nukes, the radioactive fallout will do us in eventually. Both sides have many numerous nukes, enough to blow up several worlds. I doubt any current or near future missile defense system would be capable of stopping so many nukes anyhow. Between the USA and Russia, there are currently over 5,000 nuclear warheads to toss around.

Well the USA had developed this multi-missile system a long time ago. just wasnt deployed fearing the russians might see this as a declaration of war. Since technically you only need what 12 missiles to take out there hole nations when you can fly over drop one fly super fast drop one fly drop one along the way. But I doubt it can somehow pass through our new 3 ring missile defense system. Its just a scare tactic by Putin to try and bring the russians back into the scene. I wonder how he plans to stop the Aegis missile defense from the navy. The new missile can't remmember its name that flys faster then a bullet and rams into missiles. And the patriot defense. A lot of independent systems to stop.

[spyVspy]

I never heard of any missile defense system that would protect the US from the Russian arsenal. This test is simply stating there is no avoiding retaliation, and the deterrent stands. Russia has worse nuclear neighbors than the US does, much closer to home. I think the message goes out to everybody, the bear still has it's bite.

[Ace]

maybe its a scary tactic but hey he just want people to know he exists too and not the world to focus on lindsey lohans being drunk again :p
its sad though i think she´s cute and im wondering if she will make it too 30...
but if they where a multi missile warhead, im thinking what if they plan to have so many missiles the missile defense system cant chase them all down ya know. ;)

[ein1017]

All we got to do is get all the Missile Command experts have them shoot down the missiles

[eLDiablo]

If it is then at least it will give the media something else to focus on rather than what actress is currently going into rehab or some other non-important thing that will go on for weeks

too bad they wouldn't anyway.

[starscream007]

If it is then at least it will give the media something else to focus on rather than what actress is currently going into rehab or some other non-important thing that will go on for weeks

~Shadowclaw

QFT speaking of that though I heard that the cops found cocaine in the car but how much you wanna bet she wont do any prison time.

[Star Wars Man]

Yeah, and those 5,000 total nukes aren't counting those Russia either doesn't speak of or doesn't know about. If you've seen the Sum of All Fears, you know how easy it could be to smuggle in a nuclear device, even with today's top security.

[Derek]

Yeah, and those 5,000 total nukes aren't counting those Russia either doesn't speak of or doesn't know about. If you've seen the Sum of All Fears, you know how easy it could be to smuggle in a nuclear device, even with today's top security.
Sum of All Fears is a fictional movie based on a fictional book. Don't try to draw conclusions from it :rockbrow:

[jus7addwatr]

Sum of All Fears is a fictional movie based on a fictional book. Don't draw try to draw conclusions from it :rockbrow:

It was written using real world facts.

[ninjadog6]

It was written using real world facts.

I think what he's trying to say is that if smuggling nukes was as easy as "The Sum of All Fears" made it out to be, then it would have been done by now.

Course I never saw the movie so I don't know.

To be honest I'm getting tired of the whole "We have nukes everybody watch out!" stuff that's been going on lately. I believe in fate (but I don't use it as an excuse,) so I shrug it off and say "Whatever happens, happens" I kinda lost faith in humanity awhile ago. :sleep:

[SgtRicko]

In all honesty, we really shouldn't worry. Putin's a smart man: he won't start up a war which could potentially devastate his own country as well.

If anything, I'm actually curious as to why would he even think that Russia still needs nukes given how politically charged and sensitive the 21st century battlefield has become.:squint:

[Mael!]

It seems to me that Russia is just feeling left out of the world news these days...
Also it may be somewhat due to the US revamping their nuclear arsenal over the past few years :\ (at least thats what I heard)
Also I don't think there are many anti-missile systems in service that are capable of taking out a standard ICBM (Let alone one deploying multiple warheads)

[Sirius]

Thanks for putting it into perspective for the media. Why do I care if some celeb is drunk and or high and crash their new Mercedes?

Unfortunately LION these are multiple head missiles. They make the nukes we dropped over Japan look like miniature warheads. I wanna know though how the Ruskies think it will penetrate any missile defense system? They must be stealth nukes!

If I remember correctly, The states anti-missile system that is being built is based on a sort of trajectory analysis. Say the russians the fire a missile, Pentagon notices and then swiftly send the data to a computer that calculats the likely trajectory of the target missile. Then, the anti-missile system sends an anti-missile in the opposite direction along the nukes supposed trajectory, colliding with the threat and destroying it.

However, the system is far from perfect as even the most advanced computers have a problem with accurately simulating atmospheric currents, windspeed and other such things on such short notice. The best chance an complete, effective anti-missile system probably has is short of 50-50. Also note that the due to the immense calculations the system is incapable of destroying the nuke as it launched or is descending towards it's target (Which is the explanation as to why the US, building part of the system in europe and the short distance to russia, can't defend it from nuclear attack.), It has to be shoot down when it's traveling to it's target.

Now, I don't know IF the Russians has been able to implement it, but when the states first started building it's first... Starwars system? I think it may have been called during the 80s or 70s (I suck at exact dates) they devised a simple way to counter it.
They simply make the warhead, whilst in travel, Move in a circular motion around it's trajectory path. Add the before mentioned wind currents, speeds and "Wildcards" and It becomes IMPOSSIBLE for any existing computer to accurately simulate it's path, and therefore effectively obsoleting any existing or planned anti-missile system that we today can come up with.

As a last word, I guarantee absolutely nothing of what I just said. Cause I got this from my memory and haven't even read an article on this new missile yet :gnarly:

[CO Valle]

This is all political, and also to keep the balance of power, if the US succeeds in building an anti ICBM system in easter Europe then, on a SUPPOSSED US attack on Russia, Russia's retaliatory capability gets reduced, so, they test a new delivery system that will not be interceptable, just to scare the US (or any other nuclear power) to try something on them.

They are simply defending their Homeland by showing that nuclear deterrence isn't out of fashion.

It seems to me that Russia is just feeling left out of the world news these days...
Also it may be somewhat due to the US revamping their nuclear arsenal over the past few years :\ (at least thats what I heard)
Also I don't think there are many anti-missile systems in service that are capable of taking out a standard ICBM (Let alone one deploying multiple warheads)

lef out of the world news????..... are you kidding?

US revamping their nuclear arsenal -> nuclear powers always do that.

And as far as I recall ICBMs are all MIRVs.

And talking of the SDI, I don't think that a reliable defense system against ICBMs can be developed until lasers become available (and I mean fully operational ones)

[SgtRicko]

And as far as I recall ICBMs are all MIRVs.

No, some are just plain old single-warhead nukes, and others are small-scale tactical nukes that have slightly less power than the bombs used in WWII.

[M2M]

push the button war strategy :D

[starscream007]

In all honesty, we really shouldn't worry. Putin's a smart man: he won't start up a war which could potentially devastate his own country as well.

If anything, I'm actually curious as to why would he even think that Russia still needs nukes given how politically charged and sensitive the 21st century battlefield has become.:squint:


We also have to remember that Putin is little by little consolidating his power and is selling arms to Iran

[Bdakshon's Tiger]

On Tuesday, according to THIS STORY (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,276014,00.html), Russia test launched a new intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry multiple warheads (nuclear), and can penetrate any current or future defense systems. Least that's what they claim, and are bragging about. Obviously this test was in response to the USA's ongoing development of a missile defense system that can shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles. The way I see it, in the event that either side decides to launch a nuclear attack somewhere in the future, it ain't gonna matter much cause if we're not killed by the initial blasts from the nukes, the radioactive fallout will do us in eventually. Both sides have many numerous nukes, enough to blow up several worlds. I doubt any current or near future missile defense system would be capable of stopping so many nukes anyhow. Between the USA and Russia, there are currently over 5,000 nuclear warheads to toss around.

MIRVs (Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vessels) have exsisted for more than 30 years, this is not new technology, its just the principle of a cluster of termonuclear warheads.

Unlike the US millitary (i dont mean to offend), the Russians designed their weaponry for future wars, not for the last war.

[Derek]

Unlike the US millitary (i dont mean to offend), the Russians designed their weaponry for future wars, not for the last war.
Umm, care to give examples?

[OneWiseSith]

MIRVs (Multiple Independent Re-Entry Vessels) have exsisted for more than 30 years, this is not new technology, its just the principle of a cluster of termonuclear warheads. Missiles are for show these days. Your best invention is never seen, I assure you of this. American scientist have the best in every facet. Even if there was a magnetic pulse the USA's chemical lasers would still function home,space and abroad.

Unlike the US millitary (i dont mean to offend), the Russians designed their weaponry for future wars, not for the last war.Intelligent people thrive in freedom such as America offers. Scientist like the environment of the 'free world' rather than that of interrogations, abductions, poisonings. Why would you think Russia is a the head of the pack. Ever since Ronald Regan America has the biggest stick and 2 you don't know about.

[HawkEye1102002]

I think the "Cant be intercepted by anti missile systems" is all talk by the Russians, if it is a multy warhead missile, woo hoo, we have plenty of our own in the form of Trident D5 SLBM's, and SLBM's are ment to be more scary than ICBM's as these mobile underwater silos can carry more than one Trident missile. The Russians probibly have a bog standard mobile ICBM launcher that can be detected by sattelite and destroyed by a carrier based Tornado fighter bomber and taken out using vintage tactics from WW2 to hunt down German V2 IRBM's.

Russias stake that their newest ICBM cannot be intercepted, I think is all talk, in my oppinion, our Trident missile systems are more lethel than the new Russian ICBM, for starters, our subs are underwater, and any enamy subs will have to fight off the escorting subs (And the SLBM subs can launch their SLBM's while the enamy tries to destroy it). We can detect their missile on its mobile launcher in a matter of minutes, and then send in a bomber to destroy it. Modern day RAF bombers are supersonic and has countermeasures to stop any AAA and SAM weapons from destroying it.

Secondally a Royal Navy sub can launch a volly of SLBM's in less time than a single Russian ICBM mobile launcher can (as it needs to set the ICBM up).

Like it or not, and no matter how hard pressure groups like CND protest, we will be seeing nukes in the hands of the Allied NATO nations and our enamys till the end of time

[sniperelite7]

Woo WWII is coming!

[SgtRicko]

Woo WWII is coming!

It's WWIII, not WWII - we already had that war, remember???:|

[Titanium]

The Russian's new nuclear warheads have rocket motors on them and so can be programmed to change course repeatedly during reentry. This makes them practically impossible to intercept with current missile based anti-ballistic missile defence systems. Laser based anti-missile defence systems may be required to intercept these warheads.

Although the cold war is over, the MAD doctrine still exists. With these new missiles, the Russians maintain their capability to annihilate any country on earth, including the USA, so it gives them the political power to stand up to the USA and its allies, and so they can't be pressured, bullied and pushed around like the USA and its allies do to many other countries.

[CO Valle]

I think the "Cant be intercepted by anti missile systems" is all talk by the Russians, if it is a multy warhead missile, woo hoo, we have plenty of our own in the form of Trident D5 SLBM's, and SLBM's are ment to be more scary than ICBM's as these mobile underwater silos can carry more than one Trident missile. The Russians probibly have a bog standard mobile ICBM launcher that can be detected by sattelite and destroyed by a carrier based Tornado fighter bomber and taken out using vintage tactics from WW2 to hunt down German V2 IRBM's.

Russias stake that their newest ICBM cannot be intercepted, I think is all talk, in my oppinion, our Trident missile systems are more lethel than the new Russian ICBM, for starters, our subs are underwater, and any enamy subs will have to fight off the escorting subs (And the SLBM subs can launch their SLBM's while the enamy tries to destroy it). We can detect their missile on its mobile launcher in a matter of minutes, and then send in a bomber to destroy it. Modern day RAF bombers are supersonic and has countermeasures to stop any AAA and SAM weapons from destroying it.

Secondally a Royal Navy sub can launch a volly of SLBM's in less time than a single Russian ICBM mobile launcher can (as it needs to set the ICBM up).

Like it or not, and no matter how hard pressure groups like CND protest, we will be seeing nukes in the hands of the Allied NATO nations and our enamys till the end of time

Well, your thinking seem to be quite positive on being able to destroy russian ICBMs before their launch... But for starters, the Tornado is NOT a carrier based fighter, is a ground based one, so, by the time the tornado manages to get to russia, the UK will already be history.

Now, don't forget that the russia has SLBM as well, a Typhoon class boomer carries 20 of the - al MIRVs (as far as I know).

Now , in case you haven't noticed, Russia is a rather large country, even if you now the exact location of every missile launcher, and you had fighters / bombers on the very border, you won't be able to get'em all; and I don't think the guys at Voyska will let those fighters live long enough.

But you are right, nukes have come to stay.

Just one question... who do you think the enemy is?:wtf:

[OneWiseSith]

[quote=Titanium;344094]The Russian's new nuclear warheads have rocket motors on them and so can be programmed to change course repeatedly during reentry. This makes them practically impossible to intercept with current missile based anti-ballistic missile defence systems. Laser based anti-missile defence systems may be required to intercept these warheads.

Although the cold war is over, the MAD doctrine still exists. With these new missiles, the Russians maintain their capability to annihilate any country on earth, including the USA, so it gives them the political power to stand up to the USA and its allies, and so they can't be pressured, bullied and pushed around like the USA and its allies do to many other countries.[ ............................................................................Missiles with motors are faster than light? Americas chemical lasers are beyond state of the art. Although you have never seen them they do exist on ships, subs, land & space. These will even work after a EMP pulses. The way America can deliver a high yield strike is beyond most people's comprehension.

[HawkEye1102002]

Well, your thinking seem to be quite positive on being able to destroy russian ICBMs before their launch... But for starters, the Tornado is NOT a carrier based fighter, is a ground based one, so, by the time the tornado manages to get to russia, the UK will already be history.

It wouldn't be hard to mod the Tornado to land on a carrier, I wouldn't be suprised in the future if RAF Tornados are modified to land on carriers with the way things are going

Now, don't forget that the russia has SLBM as well, a Typhoon class boomer carries 20 of the - al MIRVs (as far as I know).

Their subs aren't the best in the world and infereor to Royal Navy subs, but that does not reflect on the argument I am putting forward

Now , in case you haven't noticed, Russia is a rather large country, even if you now the exact location of every missile launcher, and you had fighters / bombers on the very border, you won't be able to get'em all; and I don't think the guys at Voyska will let those fighters live long enough.

A sattelite is able to detect a mobile launcher moving to possition, and a carrier in the sea would be able to launch a supersonic aircraft in moments, while the ICBM is being set up, also the RAF's new F-35 VSTOL fighters are stealth fighters...

MIRV's are ment to split up and re-enter, and as far as I know, tridents contain H-bomb warheads, and when they split up, they will bomb different locations

But you are right, nukes have come to stay.

Of course, no matter how "socialist" countries get, no matter how "peace loving" they are, some will become militant communist and fascist, and then be building up nukes - no-one is truely peaceful, look at Hugo Chavez, who has built a civilian milita out of women and children because of his stupid paranoia

Just one question... who do you think the enemy is?:wtf:
Firstly again, this question cannot reflect on my argument, if you looked at my post, then you would see it is basically a comparisant between the two countries armed forces and how a worst-case scinaro would be like and seconally the enamys we will most likely be facing is Iran, Syria and N.Korea - Saudi Arabia may become our enamy as that country is very unstable