CnC Gen/ZH: the original timeline of CnC universe?

[General Kane Nash]

First off... CnC spoliers!

He, I think it would be a bit hard as this is not canonical and EA/WW havent say anything but I was just thinking...

What would have happened if Einstein didnt make the xperiment to remove Hitler from history?

Well, as most of us know thank to the videos of Yuri's Revenge, time in the CnC universe isnt lineal but ramified so we can assume that alternated realities with differences would exist at the same in similar universes, also time can be modified even in previous teorically "unexorable" events, we see it while allies avoid the psychic dominator network to be finished and the assasination of general Carville, so the main canonical alteration of time, the remove of Hitler from mankind history, this is a necessary event to allow the CnC saga to exist.

But what happened with the alternate "brand" of time where Hitler didnt disappear?

The answer shall be CnC Generals.

As this is the most similar timeline to our reality we can add in the CnC multiverse (ok, just check wikipedia to know what is a multiverse) as there isnt any connection betwen Generals and the other games from the saga.

Ok, I know that this is really dangerous to say here with some purists lurking ready to strike but I think this could be the best way for EA to give some "historic" right to call Generals a CnC, also it can open some interesting possibilities, for example, Kane could actually be an agent came from the Generals future to alterate history (in the same way allies did in YR) to allow their own time to exist as he know.

Even more, perhaps the civilization that sent Kane wanted to make history happened as we see in the RA/tiberian line to allow their own existence as the time disruption produced by Albert Einstein experiment could have made some sort of warp allowing the the scrin harvester fleet to enter in our system millenia ago (remember that in scifi time experiments could not only affect future but past).
Kane would have been sent with the mission to create the brotherhood and force the birth of GDI, make them "discover" the Tacitus and forced mankind to slowly develop the knowledge and military that one day would allow them to fight against the scrin, event that occurred bcs the time alteration of Albert Einstein. By this way people from the future would have ensure the survival of mankind and at the same time avoid their own universe to exist.

Just consider this interesting fact, Kane has been around for a century, it's said that this is because he is the messiah, some sort of godsent, however, there havent been any other "miracle" in the world except those related with tiberium (meteor storms, prophecies made by mutants) and I am almost sure no WW or EA wanted to add "God as invited star" to the CnC story, so the only other solution to these miracles is ultra high technology, remember third Arthur C. Clarke theory: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

Definitly Kane is human-like, so it could be sure that he had came from the future of mankind, just his DNA was unknown bcs he was mastered to not affect time as Albert Einstein did, just intromising in an alternate universe and generating a paradox equation, but in a wise more controlled way.

So, hope I havent been boring, also I hope no death-squad sent from EA would kill me in the next hour because I would have accidentally discovered all the plans they had for C&C in the next ten years.

Here is a graphic showing my idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v634/KaneNash/cncmultiverse.jpg

[Avapodnaught]

First off... CnC spoliers!

He, I think it would be a bit hard as this is not canonical and EA/WW havent say anything but I was just thinking...
What would have happened if Einstein didnt make the xperiment to remove Hitler from history?
So, hope I havent been boring, also I hope no death-squad sent from EA would kill me in the next hour because I would have accidentally discovered all the plans they had for C&C in the next ten years.
I don't think Ea would have been planning cnc, because they didn't own the company till about, say, ABOUT THE NEAR THE TIME OF RAII!!!!!! Peak of the year of 2000...
Sheesh, don't mean to burst ur bubble, Westwood was first part of Verginix Studios... I know most of this because I did a report in class concerning Westwood, but tragically found :cry: that Ea bought them out and gave a soon to come boot then came in Petroglyph...
Kane did appear in the Ra series in the beginning, delivering some reports or such, and Renegades Temple of Nod does show many pictures from the Red Alert Era, maybe a spoiler, or maybe just for fun... But other than the planning... I think that Ea put much more effort into intertwinning the series...
But I think Generals has nothing to do with this at all... Certainly because it is in the time near or of the Second Tiberium War...
The Scrin don't seem to know much about Kane, I think he may have been with them and betrayed them by sending them early to a higher and greater number civilization than they reckoned... But thats my opinion...

[Daishi]

Yeah, Gen/ZH is possible and does fit. But anything at all could happen.

No connection to C&C, would have killed all faith in EA's handling of the C&C storyline, stupid idea.

[Avapodnaught]

Yeah, Gen/ZH is possible and does fit. But anything at all could happen.

No connection to C&C, would have killed all faith in EA's handling of the C&C storyline, stupid idea.
Need a bit more clarification on which statement on what I said that made u say this, but...
I think it would make many of the people who state generals is not a cnc game think otherwise or make them madder... possibly...
Might make people interested in buying the first decade or the older games making great sales (if they buy them from Ea...)
Be a great sales market in my opinion if they did that, but I think Generals was just something that who's storyline is poor would make me hate it more, but still if they did it using great understanding, it could be turn out for the better...
Im battling two sides here... but since the Generals era doesn't make any connections seen with the earlier games or even cnc3... as ra 1 does with tib dawn, as renegade does with raII....

[Delta-4]

Me, well, I consider Generals to be a potential part of the C&C storyline, but only that, a potential part.

If it were a part, I'd say it happened in the period of peace between GDI and the Brotherhood after the First Tiberium War. Just a random conflict due to the high tensions of an alien substance taking over the planet. The Global Liberation Army possibly being a sub-faction of the Brotherhood used to disrupt GDI's power by trying to take Europe, thus resecuring Kane's temple location and allowing him to restore the Brotherhood's holy grounds. Unfortunately for them, China beat the Hell out of 'em, and so they retreated and were absorbed back into the Brotherhood.
Let me answer a few questions here...

Q: Erm...why didn't they have lasers and other high-tech crap?
A: Because Kane knew that if they sported Nod's weaponry, they'd have GDI coming down on them as well as everyone else, which would cripple them almost immediately.

Q: Where's the tiberium, then?
A: None of the conflicts took place in tiberium-infested areas is the only explaination I can give, and it's obviously a stretch.

Q: Why was no mention made of Kane, the Brotherhood, or GDI, for that matter?
A: If the Brotherhood was forgotten by the public, then another arrival would most likely have them deemed as terrorists in their beginnings, rather than somewhere in the middle (This is my theory, at least, and not a very good one, I know.). GDI was never mentioned because it was still a section of the United Nations, and therefore would just be considered as such.

Q: If Europe was threatened, don't you think GDI would step in?
A: The United States/China made that pointless. You'd just waste money deploying troops to an already-secure area.

Well, there's what I have to say, go ahead and point out any flaws that you feel are horribly large.

[Avapodnaught]

Me, well, I consider Generals to be a potential part of the C&C storyline, but only that, a potential part.
Q: Erm...why didn't they have lasers and other high-tech crap?
A: Because Kane knew that if they sported Nod's weaponry, they'd have GDI coming down on them as well as everyone else, which would cripple them almost immediately.
Q: Where's the tiberium, then?
A: None of the conflicts took place in tiberium-infested areas is the only explaination I can give, and it's obviously a stretch.
Q: Why was no mention made of Kane, the Brotherhood, or GDI, for that matter?
A: If the Brotherhood was forgotten by the public, then another arrival would most likely have them deemed as terrorists in their beginnings, rather than somewhere in the middle (This is my theory, at least, and not a very good one, I know.). GDI was never mentioned because it was still a section of the United Nations, and therefore would just be considered as such.
Q: If Europe was threatened, don't you think GDI would step in?
A: The United States/China made that pointless. You'd just waste money deploying troops to an already-secure area.
Well, there's what I have to say, go ahead and point out any flaws that you feel are horribly large.
I say that the tiberium notice is a big stretch, cuz tiberium would have been spreading faster than ever, and I think that blue zones would have been the only exception, but y not harvest tiberium anyway or not even use the weapons instead of antrax? black markets would definetly try to get hold of them... no connection there whatsoever in my opinion
They did have lazers and some high tech stuff, but still, some things were further away as firestorm was in the time period, like the cyborgs, the railgun mutant unit, and besides, cloaking systems were in use, y not gla markets use those? (probably connected to power issue :uhh:) and the earliest verson of self thinking computer (CABAL),think of the high tech bomber (yet weak) banshee!
do u think that Gdi's near recent Philidelphia construction or the likely hood that nod and gdi weren't already fighting (u r brought during some certain part of it) was likely to be a reason for them not to be noted?
I think I somewhat agree with the last one, as Gdi would probably be more concerned with Nod even if the public forgot them...
I do not have a good over all opinion of this at all...

[Delta-4]

Did you read the part about the Generals War (Whatever the Hell it was called...) being before the Second Tiberium War? Tiberium wasn't as widespread as it was then, and technology was nowhere near as ultra-high-tech.

[Zancloufer27]

IIRC Westwood wasn't absorbed by EA until after Generals was realesed. So Westwood DID make Generals, but not ZH.

[Avapodnaught]

IIRC Westwood wasn't absorbed by EA until after Generals was realesed. So Westwood DID make Generals, but not ZH.
It wasn't, Ea's logo appeared as early as RaII, but soon after wards, Renegade came, it also says that Westwood made every cnc game excluding GENERALS and its expansion, and tiberium wars, so, U r wrong there... They may have started but then again... EA finished, probably chopped most of it up and went from there...

[C4]

I think Generals was just something that who's storyline is poor would make me hate it more,...
Im battling two sides here... but since the Generals era doesn't make any connections seen with the earlier games or even cnc3... as ra 1 does with tib dawn, as renegade does with raII....

Since u like so much of storyline and believe me, i do like it too (not just enough to rate badly a RTS by that!:p), u should play Starcraft (if u'ven't done it before). There are many good reasons why u should.
-Superb superb storyline and character charisma (singleplayer).
-Excellent multiplayer and community
-Excellent diversity of the factions
-Starcraft II is right down the corner
-U should not have time to worry about game prefixes:D

Looks to me it will fit u,... in fact it should fit everybody who likes RTS at all.

[General Kane Nash]

As most of you say the main problem to link Generals with rest of CnC is that there is a lack of reference about GDI/Nod/Tiberium, at least this one as it's supposed that the second tiberium war occurred at 2030 and Generals is set in 2020, at that time world should be really infested with Tiberium, but as I say, it could be just another alternate timeline, the line untouched by the paradox equation experiment of Eisntein. It's just that in the future they will require to go back to the timeline of the tiberian universe and mad all that happen as we see, anyway, I think a graphic would help to explain the idea, I am uploading it to my first post.

[Delta-4]

-Excellent multiplayer and community
:lmao:
I've been on Battle.Net before, mostly idiots, spammers, spambots, and psychopaths, but the majority is just a pack of idiots. I used to play StarCraft heavily, but the community made me think otherwise.
Really, you should meet someone I know named Blind_Seeress. I'll give you a sample of something she's talked to me about before.[18:33] Persistent Bastard: Wait people make viruses right
[18:34] The Vengeful Thermophile: Who else would, Blind?
[18:34] Persistent Bastard: Then isn't there some dude who controls them alkl?

[General Kane Nash]

Well, definitly that's bcs what are the actual educational requirements to play a game and the results of playing it, for CnC games you at least need some notions of modern warfare, economic management, this is also required in Starcraft, but in a really really smaller way, most of terran tech, protoss psyonics and zerg mutagenics can be just considered "magic", and you dont need to link reality with SC, so you can live in a bubble and play SC without know anything about real world facts.
Same but in a harder way goes with WoW, there is actually even worse, bcs they have no mayor reference to reality but about how people were "in the past", you just have to go, kill creeps and adquire experience, and as this looks easier than real life, well, now you know why there is some people who actually prefer living by their ingame character than themselves.
Anyway, definitly I have to recognize that people need a bit more of education to talk about CnC than SC, you know, at least who were Einsten, Stalin, the UN, or (in the case of Generals) what's going on around the world, while you look search for this data you will eventually find more about other themes and you knowledge will grow.

[Yayo01]

@Avapodnaught: Wow...Clean your damn post, Looks like your in a rush posting that..:rolleyes:

Also, Even if theres lack of GDI/NOD reference in Generals and ZeroHour. It is possible that Generals really did happen in the C&C Storyline.

[C4]

:lmao:
I've been on Battle.Net before, mostly idiots, spammers, spambots, and psychopaths, but the majority is just a pack of idiots. I used to play StarCraft heavily, but the community made me think otherwise.
Really, you should meet someone I know named Blind_Seeress. I'll give you a sample of something she's talked to me about before.

I see!:lol:
Anyway there are many real players around spread out in the available ladders. So it's just a bit of effort to find good matches. To the idiots, what to say, try to ignore'em if u can.;)

BTW, Warcraft III is another cute game with good storyline and cutscenes.

[Statalyzer]

Generals/ZH are not related to the other C&C games, at all, as far as the storyline goes.

Could a later game connect the storylines? Sure, they COULD, but I hope they don't - if EA's handling of the YR timeline was any indication, they'd better not try and connect the RA/Tib games with Generals.

[Daishi]

I'm still thinking they'd better not try and construct a clean connection between the RA spinoff and the original timeline.

[Statalyzer]

There's already a clean connection from RA to the Tiberium series, and from RA to RA2, but from RA2 to the Tiberium series is tough, it's do-able but I doubt that if attempted it would be done right, so I'd rather see them split.