Cyber Nations

[GeneralsDaughter]

I don't know if anyone's played this, but I'm finding it incredibly addictive. The closest thing I can liken it to is NationStates, but its still completely different. You decide your currency, government type, tax rate, and so on. You have bills to pay, and you can buy things as you choose, such as soldiers and tanks (thats right, you can have war), infrastructure to gain citizens, and technology to make your country more efficient. I won't go in to everything here, because that would take too long. Suffice to say this is a fun game with everything from nukes to custom country flags.

[NuclearDreams]

You forgot to mention gameplay is online and free. I wish I had time for this, looks interesting.

http://www.cybernations.net/

[sg500]

can this game peel me from wc3 tft oO.

[GeneralsDaughter]

can this game peel me from wc3 tft oO.

Try typing coherently. I assume you're talking about WarCraft, which I never really cared for. I'm playing AOE 2 and this has me hooked way deeper. And for you WoW freaks, as Nuc said, its FREE. You kill people for free, and it requires thought. Imagine that.

[Statalyzer]

I don't know if anyone's played this, but I'm finding it incredibly addictive. The closest thing I can liken it to is NationStates, but its still completely different. You decide your currency, government type, tax rate, and so on. You have bills to pay, and you can buy things as you choose, such as soldiers and tanks (thats right, you can have war), infrastructure to gain citizens, and technology to make your country more efficient. I won't go in to everything here, because that would take too long. Suffice to say this is a fun game with everything from nukes to custom country flags.

I'd love to try it out - NationStates was fun at first but got lame really fast. Are there regions and stuff where several of us here could all join in the same region and stuff?

EDIT: I just joined like half an hour ago and I'm already becoming addicted. This is greatness.

[Gaucho8788]

I'll have to try it out sometime when I actually have the time. I could probably make time though. I'll think about it.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I joined.

Just look up East Hinterland.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Geographically, regions have no meaning. You just put yourself wherever you want. If you're on top of another nation, you may get a message warning that you're creeping up in someone's space, but that's purely for show.

You can make alliances with other players, and make a charter, get sanctioned by the UN, etc. Read the help index, or http://cybernations.wikia.com .

[Nod Fanatic]

Just about to register. From what it looks like, I can finally create my evil nazi-terrorist state. :devil: I'll tell ya' what I think about it as soon as I bite into it. Not really what I was expecting, but complexity is great. Now, I'm the proud emperor of... less than a square mile. XD I just formed the Grathian Empire, if there's a friends system.

[Statalyzer]

There's trading, and you can join alliances (you'll get spammed with messages from people saying "join my alliance", I just ignore that crap). However, when you trade you get a +1 bonus if you're countries are both on the same team. Not alliance, just team (that's the colored square that you can select). You only get 4 trading partners.

I'm orange so KO if you switch from none to orange and trade with me we'll both get a +1 bonus. Nod, which color are you? We can all change to be the same color whatever it is, although I won't be guaranteed to trade with everyone b/c you only get 4 partners and there's specific resources that I'm trying to get.

[Alpha and Omega]

I'm green. Nadrojia, got fur and oil. lol

[Nod Fanatic]

I'm orange so KO if you switch from none to orange and trade with me we'll both get a +1 bonus. Nod, which color are you? We can all change to be the same color whatever it is, although I won't be guaranteed to trade with everyone b/c you only get 4 partners and there's specific resources that I'm trying to get.
I chose black. Is it possible to change colors when you've already chosen? I never checked, anyways, I'll change it to orange in just a bit if possible.
Edit: Alright changed to orange, BTW my resources are cattle and uranium. Stat what's your nation?

[Statalyzer]

Mysokamia. I'm keeping track of everyone here in a spreadsheet so even if I end up not trading with you or on another team, I can remember who you are. I've got a few good metals but I want some rubber and fish so let me know if anyone makes a country and ends up with either or those.

GeneralsDaughter what's your country?

[apple23]

Mysokamia. I'm keeping track of everyone here in a spreadsheet so even if I end up not trading with you or on another team, I can remember who you are. I've got a few good metals but I want some rubber and fish so let me know if anyone makes a country and ends up with either or those.

GeneralsDaughter what's your country?

My city is named Mordsmorde. Don't ask how I came up with it, just random. Anyways, I've got fur and oil as my starting resources. Anyone wanna trade?

[Tomahawk]

I joined not too long ago, Renarias is my nations name. Got fur and wheat. (I got boned, I know)

[Deadeye]

Just signed up, Iblisia is my nation, on orange team, started with Aluminum and Coal. Just trying to work everything out, will probably edit when I find what I want for trade :)

[OneWiseJedi]

My country is OneWiseJedi. I just made a deal to trade my Oil and Sugar for essDcopter's Rubber and Water for 30 days and he gave me 300k. This is not an alliance just a trade deal. Is anyone in a alliance, many offers of over 1 million to join alliances, whats the catch?

[SgtRicko]

One thing I'm noticed is that there are some nations that act a lot like pirates and pillage those who are on there own or are newcomers. In fact, I just got a letter saying that unless I join a certain alliance, there is a "chance" that I might get raided by enemies within 2-3 days. Not sure if it's just a bluff, but damn, I've only been in for one day!:looklive:

[Nod Fanatic]

One thing I'm noticed is that there are some nations that act a lot like pirates and pillage those who are on there own or are newcomers. In fact, I just got a letter saying that unless I join a certain alliance, there is a "chance" that I might get raided by enemies within 2-3 days. Not sure if it's just a bluff, but damn, I've only been in for one day!:looklive:
I'm not sure but I think there's a restriction preventing 2 nations of widely differing strengths from going to war.

[OneWiseJedi]

2nd day in. I have many casualties of war and lost technology. alexpark was the attacker he had four times the forces as I. Now I have no tanks and minimal soldiers. If any of you have a good alliance please let me know, I need it for defense. Orange team alliance network or We are Perth Army with the 1.5 million bonus seem like the best offers at the moment.
*Edit*____Day 3, 3 more wars; One of which was a cruise missile attack. alexpark is a opportunist, Pay back will be eminent. I will burn you until the soil of your country turns to glass.

[Cylon Crusader]

Nations name is Crusaderia.
I have Aluminum and Oil.

One Wise Jedi, you can join the valhallan alliance. I just joined them today and they are pretty good.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Depending on how my alliance decides, we may be able to offer harbor for anyone who wants it. We're not top-notch, but we're damn good for how long we've been playing.

[Tommy]

I don't know if anyone's played this, but I'm finding it incredibly addictive. The closest thing I can liken it to is NationStates, but its still completely different. You decide your currency, government type, tax rate, and so on. You have bills to pay, and you can buy things as you choose, such as soldiers and tanks (thats right, you can have war), infrastructure to gain citizens, and technology to make your country more efficient. I won't go in to everything here, because that would take too long. Suffice to say this is a fun game with everything from nukes to custom country flags.


Thanks for sharing :D

Placed their logo on my site. Probably would attract visitors to their site

[Statalyzer]

OneWiseJedi, I was going to help you out in your war with some soliders, but somehow you've gotten way more powerful than me already anyway so I doubt I'd help much. What did you do? EDIT: wow, I see you've suffered huge casualities, I will aid you anyway although I don't have a whole lot to give.

BTW, there are by my count 11 of us on this forum with countries. Why don't we all form our own DNGF alliance?

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Good idea... needs to not have a ghey name though.

[OneWiseJedi]

Yes an alliance would be great, perhaps over the next few days so I don't keep getting rolled. I grew my country with ingenuity and trade incentives. Although defending is tough alone, as a group we will become high ranked counties quickly; our intelligence combined with our strategic abilities will see to that. Thanks for the aid Statalyzer. We should bounce a few names for our new alliance around, and pick the best.

[Alpha and Omega]

Name suggestion...

S.O.C.H.

Sons Of Chuck Norris :p

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I like it.

[Statalyzer]

I don't know about that one.

How about the Confederation of Den, or just follow the KISS principle and call it "The Den"

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Negative.

[Fulcrum]

I created my nation today, a DEN alliance would be cool.

[Statalyzer]

Negative.

Well somebody think of something then, because Chuck Norris jokes are not clever any more....

[Alpha and Omega]

The Confederation of DEN, sounds ok. Hmm, DEN, Defending Eachother's Nation. Maybe.

[Nod Fanatic]

The DEN something. Confederation, alliance?

[SgtRicko]

My nation, The Commonwealth, just got trashed and pillaged by some guy named Jacob Chulainn over the last two days. The bastard pretty much ruined me, and is now trying to extort me for money! Guys, if you're gonna make an alliance for support, please do it quick, cause my people are rioting and my army is virtually gone!!!

[Statalyzer]

SgtRicko, I'll grant you some soldiers as well if you need them, but it says war is not an option for you. Fulcrum, what is your nation's name?

Thanks for the aid Statalyzer.

It says you still haven't accepted it yet.

Ok, so while trying to figure out how to create an Alliance, I inadvertantly created one. All you have to do to join is go to "Edit my nation" and click on "Alliance Affiliation" and choose "Specify other". Then type in "DGNF" and you'll be part of the DGNF Alliance. Only thing I don't get is how we prevent just anyone from joining (not that that's likely to be a problem, but just in case). It specifically says that Alliances are mostly controlled outside of the game, so I guess we should just keep this thread up and use it (Mods: maybe move it to Spam Dump if we plan on bumping it continually?).

[OneWiseJedi]

It says you still haven't accepted it yet.
There is a reason for that. I forgot to message you, sorry. We must settle on a name and as KO says it cant be ghey. Im not sure on the particulars of forming/making an allience, Ill read it tonight.

[Nod Fanatic]

I don't have many soldiers Rick but I'll send what I can.
Edit: Rick, sent you 30 soldiers, make good use of them.

[OneWiseJedi]

Here the link for alliances http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=220 We need a name, leader and then various positions filled. Statalyzer gets my vote for commander and chief.

[Statalyzer]

Well, our name is already DGNF since I accidentally created that, but we could make it stand for Den Games Network Federation or something. Or we could just all leave DGNF, leaving it empty, and come up with a new one.

[OneWiseJedi]

I have joined, Now lets get organized & start picking battles big enough to matter, small enough to win.

[Fulcrum]

Fulcrum, what is your nation's name?
My nation is Verbatim VI. Is everyone else just using their usernames here? I think I joined the DGNF thing but I'm not sure.

[Statalyzer]

You did join. Here's a list of everyone's info who is from this forum that I've found, whether they joined the "DNGF" alliance or not.

COUNTRY. . . . . . RULER. . . . . . . . DGNF ALIAS. . . . . . . . RESOURCES. . . . TEAM COLOR

Mysokamia. . . . . . Statalyzer. . . . . . . . Statalyzer. . . . . . Spices & Water. . . Orange
North Hinterland. . . Krasny Oktyabr. . . . Krasny Oktyabr. . . Coal & Lumber. . . . none
Grathian Empire. . . Black Friday. . . . . . . Nod Fanatic. . . . . Cattle & Uranium. .Orange
Nadrojia. . . . . . . . Alpha and Omega. . . Alpha and Omega. . Fur &Oil. . . . . . . Orange
OneWiseJedi. . . . . OneWiseSith. . . . . . OneWiseJedi. . . . . Oil &Sugar. . . . . . Orange
Mordsmorde. . . . . Applez. . . . . . . . . . Apple23. . . . . . . . Fur & Oil. . . . . . . . Orange
Renarias. . . . . . . Kaleth. . . . . . . . . . Tomahawk. . . . . . . Fur &Wheat. . . . . Brown
Iblisia. . . . . . . . . Iblis. . . . . . . . . . . . Deadeye. . . . . . . . Aluminum & Coal. . Orange
Crusaderia. . . . . . Cylon Crusader. . . . Cylon Crusader. . . . Aluminum & Oil. . . . Blue
Verbatim VI. . . . . Kane Repzik. . . . . . . Fulcrum. . . . . . . . Coal & Iron. . . . . . Black

I'm not sure about taking on other countries - you all who have been invaded know how frustrating that is, and Mysokamia at least will not participate in an invasion unprovoked.

We are in full favor of a common defense pact. I suggest that if any member of the DGNF Alliance is attacked, all of the rest of us will grant that member soldiers in foreign aid to help him defeat the invader; even if we can only grant a few, it'll add up when we all do it. We should all consider also declaring war on the invader if we can to tie down his resources - however it's understandable that many of us will not be able or willing to do this (plus we might be too small since you have to be at least half of a country's strength and no greater than twice it's strength to declare war), but we should usually all be able to contribute soldiers, and perhaps money as well.

Also, we should see how much money it costs that nation per soldier - if Nation X can buy soldiers more cheaply than you can, you might be more effective aiding X with money so X can buy his own soldiers. And speaking of all this, OneWiseJedi, my 24 soldiers are still sitting around waiting to fight for you.

[Nod Fanatic]

Little nitpick it's DGNF. Alright what shall be the first act of our new alliance?

[Chuckie]

Just joined, I'm ChuckiesNation and I have Oil and Lumber.

[Alpha and Omega]

I'm trying to rush to a Harbor improvement to get another trade slot, had to forgo so many deals so I could get good growth.

[General Paranoia]

Im the Frankland Empire under the ruler General Frank and I have fur and water.

[SgtRicko]

How the hell did you get a port, A&O?! I'm still struggling to get past $10,000 in cash, or even increase my population growth!:wtf:

[OneWiseJedi]

I have 447 soldiers left, 2700 killed. I will have a harbor by Saturday. I can send someone 250 soldiers if the need them.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Go to Defcon 1. Your population will be less happy, but your military will gain a good deal of effectiveness, 100% increase if I remember correctly.

[Delta-4]

I just signed up. Adam Weasilius, leader of the Republic of Weasaliastanica. I've got gems and lead to trade. May I join in on the alliance?

Oh, and I'd just like to state that my population loves me! :D

[nilloC]

Oh this is something I'm going to register for tonight.

[Alpha and Omega]

How the hell did you get a port, A&O?! I'm still struggling to get past $10,000 in cash, or even increase my population growth!:wtf:

No, I'm setting that as my goal. I don't even have a thousand people yet.

[Statalyzer]

May I join in on the alliance?

Certainly.

BTW, I'm planning to make a one-time donation of $5 to CN tomorrow. This will grant me 50k game income, and all of you in the Alliance will get 3k each. So join soon if you want some free money.

[Alpha and Omega]

Interesting, I may just drop $5 in their hat as well.

[nilloC]

Yeah! Very small fledgling nation. Love it.

My name is Rawrsaurus Rex of the USSRawr.

Things I can trade? Gold and Pigs.

Any random advice for what to do would be appreciated. This is fun though; yeah for a good infrastructure in a 1 mile radius-sized nation. :p

[OneWiseJedi]

Ive made trade deals that sees money come my way. I got 300k for a 30 day trade. I have another trade for Saturday that nets me another 250k. I found Infrastructure and Tech helped me grow. I have won some battles, although 3 different armies at my door is devastating.
The DGNF members that want to fight, we will launch 4 at a time against the same person and we will steal their tech and incapacitate their war making ability, then perhaps even make demands. If war is OK with Statalyzer.

[Statalyzer]

nilloC, only thing I recommend is making war an option. Doesn't mean you have to start any, just means you might possibly be attacked. But you have all of us to defend you if you'll join DGNF, so I wouldn't worry about that. Turning the option off altogether has some negative consequences.

Ive made trade deals that sees money come my way. I got 300k for a 30 day trade. I have another trade for Saturday that nets me another 250k

How do you manage that? Why would someone pay you tons of money for a trade when a trade is mutually beneficial and already an even deal on its own?

[OneWiseJedi]

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essDcopter (http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=90485)
Ruler: essdee
Alliance: Orange Defense Network

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OneWiseJedi (http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=183318)
Ruler: OneWiseSith
Alliance: None
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Thats him and the aid he gave me for trade.
You have been attacked by ali hadi. You lost 88 soldiers and 0 tanks. You killed 39 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.513 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 1.107 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $79.85 in your enemy's abandoned equipment. In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled War in your country hurts environment, even when you win.

[nilloC]

Okay, I'm in the DGNF alliance now. Waiting for various people to accept trade. Hoping I don't get ravaged by someone. :p

Thanks for the advice Stat, I ended up switching so that war is an option. I thought about that earlier, but was too much a coward, I suppose. :p

[Statalyzer]

Unfortunately the CN guys aren't smart enough to let you pay by credit card. So I'll have to mail in my donation check and it'll be a few days to a week before we all get game money.

[SunnyInc.]

This thread inspired me to make a nation of my own. Here are my specs:

Nation - Sunshine Republic (not enough character to include 'the')

Ruler - SunnyInc

Team colour - Orange

Resources - Rubber & Wine (latex and booze... how appropriate :p)

I took the liberty of joining the DGNF alliance, I hope nobody minds.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Well I was attacked. The fellow completely bitchslapped my armies, my economy, and my infurstructure.

My government is in Anarchy and I can't change it until tomorrow.

[SunnyInc.]

I can't deploy troops until tomorrow so I'll send you some assistance then.

Join the DGNF alliance KO. It'll help ward off the raids.

[OneWiseJedi]

I have been fighting since day one.
A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by ali hadi. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.44 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 0 fighter aircraft and destroyed 0 fighter aircraft launched by ali hadi. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by ali hadi. You lost 0 defending tanks 1.00 technology, and 5.00 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.

An unescorted aircraft bombing run has been launched against your nation by ali hadi. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.
This ali hadi who attacks me daily is in the Global Order of Darkness alliance. I believe this alliance has high ranking Chess members I used to play and win against regularly as OneWiseSith. I was number 23 in North America in 2002 (241 world) and they still hold a grudge, and now they take pleasure in laying the smackdown on me in Cyber Nations. I used to have a 24 241 ranked nation now Im back to over 25 000 with over 2500 casualties. This Global Order of Darkness is Strong and wealthy. I get attack such as above often by nations in the 5000 range. I have 250k coming later today, I am thinking of the best way to deal with my issues at home, as well as how I can help the DGNF abroad. We will prevail, winning against the odds makes it even sweeter.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Alright, I couldn't do this before, but now that our alliance leadership is in place and we have our ball rolling, I have been appointed liaison to the DGNF from The Nights Watch My country name is Eriton, and I am number four in our 19-nation alliance. I know several of you have been brutally attacked, and our alliance is offering you membership. NATO has requested a more powerful nation to help us in our infancy, and we're looking to take on new nations, especially those who've gotten the short end of things. Please discuss amongst your alliance and let me know where you stand.

[SunnyInc.]

Alright, I couldn't do this before, but now that our alliance leadership is in place and we have our ball rolling, I have been appointed liaison to the DGNF from The Nights Watch, based at freaksafari.com. My country name is Eriton, and I am number four in our 19-nation alliance. I know several of you have been brutally attacked, and our alliance is offering you membership. NATO has requested a more powerful nation to help us in our infancy, and we're looking to take on new nations, especially those who've gotten the short end of things. Please discuss amongst your alliance and let me know where you stand.

I'd prefer to stick with the DGNF alliance.

[OneWiseJedi]

Alright, I couldn't do this before, but now that our alliance leadership is in place and we have our ball rolling, I have been appointed liaison to the DGNF from The Nights Watch, based at freaksafari.com. My country name is Eriton, and I am number four in our 19-nation alliance. I know several of you have been brutally attacked, and our alliance is offering you membership. NATO has requested a more powerful nation to help us in our infancy, and we're looking to take on new nations, especially those who've gotten the short end of things. Please discuss amongst your alliance and let me know where you stand. Thanks for the offer but my answer is no.

I have other offers for us to merge, offering us 5 million. Its up to you but Im DGNF or what ever name we have. We need not anyone but us, for in time we will be a power too.

Now back to the matter at hand. I have 200k I can give for someone to buy a harbor. I was thinking Statalyzer due to hes the bellwether, but its up to the alliance to voice their ideas and views.
If you are attacked I can send money and troops to assist however I have 2 aid spots left and the 10 day consumption period we must be wise. Giving someone 200k will leave me one slot left. I'm sure to have war at my door again tomorrow. In the future we can raise global radiation to 5, as our campfire of victory.

[SunnyInc.]

I've made a killing off tech trading plus the $400k bonus for making a donation so I am now the strongest memeber of the DGNF alliance. I am now the only member of the DGNF alliance capable of supporting you, OneWiseJedi, so if you need assitance pm me on CN.

Edit: I have started extorting weaker nations for money. I'll share a portion of my bounty with a two different member of the DGNF alliance every time. That includes all members of the DGNF alliance.

[Deadeye]

OWJ, I think it's only fair stat gets it, being the head honcho and all :)

And what's tech trading? I know it's got something to do with small nations letting larger ones buy tech off them, but how's it done? And how much cash can I get from it?

[SunnyInc.]

Thanks for the offer but my answer is no.

I have other offers for us to merge, offering us 5 million. Its up to you but Im DGNF or what ever name we have. We need not anyone but us, for in time we will be a power too.

Now back to the matter at hand. I have 200k I can give for someone to buy a harbor. I was thinking Statalyzer due to hes the bellwether, but its up to the alliance to voice their ideas and views.
If you are attacked I can send money and troops to assist however I have 2 aid spots left and the 10 day consumption period we must be wise. Giving someone 200k will leave me one slot left. I'm sure to have war at my door again tomorrow. In the future we can raise global radiation to 5, as our campfire of victory.

That money would be better invested in banks and factories.

And what's tech trading? I know it's got something to do with small nations letting larger ones buy tech off them, but how's it done? And how much cash can I get from it?

For nations that haven't purchased any technology, technology costs $10,000 per unit. The more technology a nation purchases, the greater the cost of an additional unit of technology is. This means that the strongest nation's have to pay ridiculous amounts of money compared to new nations to purchase an additional unit of technology. The trading of technology, or tech trading, allows the newer nation's to earn a commission by selling the stronger nation's technology at a cheaper price.

Before you start trading technology you'll need to find someone who wants to buy it off you. The best place to find a buyer is on the CN forums in the Foreign Aid Requests (http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=47) thread. When you post say that you're interested in selling tech through the foreign aid system for a reasonable commission with other nations. Be sure to include your CN contact details so they can respond contact you and make the trade arrangements. They'll explain to you how it all works in the PM and if they don't - just ask. You should be looking at around $3,000,000 for 50 units of technology.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

God I wish I had unfiltered internet right now. :|

[Camel]

:cool:Thread moved to Spam Dump (no, I don`t think it is Spam; mainly because of its volume)

:DI`ve also stickied it J_t

[Zancloufer27]

I've been playing this game for a bit. FYI, if you join, don't leave peacemode for the first 7 days. Build Infra Structure to, it bags you more people.

Harbour's are not always the best to get, though I would get one, Banks/Factories, and Labour camps are better IMO.

[OneWiseJedi]

I have made no donations nor will I to CyberNations, if anyone is getting a donation from me its Lion for this DGNF site.






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essDcopter (http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=90485)
Ruler: essdee
Alliance: Orange Defense Network

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OneWiseJedi (http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=183318)
Ruler: OneWiseSith
Alliance: DGNF
$1,000,000
0 Tech
0 Soldiers
Approved


Intelligently I have made 1.3 million in trades, with other trades in the works. I was also on the path to 50 Tech to sell for 3.5 Million however the wars have seen to that. They have taken too much Tech, and this has set me (us) back; how much of a set back I'm not quite sure as of this moment. I will have 60k left after I give someone 200k, perhaps another improvement might be better, depending on your strategy for advancement. Possibly 2 different 100k for bank purchases, that said you must have 1000 people (beyond army) to purchase an improvement. keep that in mind.

If anyone is thinking of joining the game it takes no time at all to play. You spend under 5 Min's a day to tend to your nation. As you evolve it might require more than 5 but even at a high level not a burden for time.

Its great to see we already have 13 members in our alliance.

Statalyzer
When you say its OK. Sunny and I are going to assail a Nation or two, then share our spoils with the Alliance. Perhaps the lowest ranked member can get around half to help with progress.

Sunny
@ this moment my government is anarchy due to the wars. On the 3rd I can deploy and we can start to dot people up.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I just gave a $20 donation...

[OneWiseJedi]

Fulcrum I see you declared war on a Spartan alliance member. The Spartan alliance is in the top 10, they could crush us like grapes, you must be careful. We must act as a cohesive unit to succeed. We must refraining from attacking until it has been proposed and thought through by the alliance.

In this early part of our rise, it is important that we avoid any cognitive dissonance.

Its great to see that KO has arrived bringing us much more muscle. This is giving us a better position. Moreover enhancing our options, providing us more stability and flexibility too.

I would like to give out the 200k by the end of today as to not be so juicy if attacked.

I hope we all feel the best way forward is by way of congruity.

[Statalyzer]

I'll accept the money gladly and I'll give you some extra soldiers. But keep in mind I don't have 1,000 citizens so I can't build a harbor or any other improvement yet.

We should all lend military aid even if we can only give 5-10 to one attacked person, it's better than nothing. However, the "Search Wars" feature doesn't appear to be very good - it doesn't show KO or OWJ as being attacked, it just shows that Verbatim IV attacked two other small countries.

Later as we get more powerful, we can do more than just send some aid to someone who gets attacked - we can counterattack. Example, country A attacks Sunny than 5 or 6 of us can all attack country A on the same day and they'll be sorry.

[OneWiseJedi]

I have one aid slot open if someone is in need. I also have a trade slot open and would like offers of trade from orange DGNF alliance members. I have sugar and oil.

[Derek]

Later as we get more powerful, we can do more than just send some aid to someone who gets attacked - we can counterattack. Example, country A attacks Sunny than 5 or 6 of us can all attack country A on the same day and they'll be sorry.
I'm just waiting for when this logic leads to a World War on CyberNations. Just remember that you need to keep spreading your conflict: Instead of being satisfied with just fighting one alliance, encourage other alliances to join you, and then they're enemies will join your enemies, and if anyone tries to stay neutral you attack them, and soon enough every country is involved in one great war! It'll be so much fun! :D

[Nilsog]

United Soggia reporting in, I've already joined the DGNF Alliance.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I just sent foreign aid to both nations that Fulcrum attacked, along with an apology on behalf of the Alliance. I also sent Fulcrum a nice little message telling him to end his damn wars.

From now on if a nation in the Alliance intends to start conflict I think it would be well advised to run it past the other members.

[Annihlator :D]

Ok, so I made my nation, and joined the DGNF alliance... and I have no idea what to do, I'd like some help, but I think I'll get the hang of it eventually, just like with Astro Empires.

EDIT: I'm Bouncl

[SunnyInc.]

I need three middle men for a tech trading arrangement I've made with a powerful nation. If you have at least one foreign aid slot free and are interested in earning 50k pm please express your interest to me via pm within the next twenty-four hours and I'll explain to yuo how it all works.

[Statalyzer]

Thank you to Kranzy for your tactful diplomacy improving our international relationship. I have also aided Ugpotamia with 30 soldiers but ran out of slots, so if somebody could also offer the Westerians 30 soldiers with a note of DNGF Apologies, that would be helpful. You can check using the icons after the DGNF Alliance to search foreign aid and see if something has been sent yet or not.

Thank you to Sunny also for your generous aid package to Mysokamia. We here at Keen City are most grateful.

I'm just waiting for when this logic leads to a World War on CyberNations. Just remember that you need to keep spreading your conflict: Instead of being satisfied with just fighting one alliance, encourage other alliances to join you, and then they're enemies will join your enemies, and if anyone tries to stay neutral you attack them, and soon enough every country is involved in one great war! It'll be so much fun!

Well, you can only attack someone who is more than half your strength and less than twice your strength. So if one of our smaller countries is attacked, only the other small ones can declare war on the agressor. But us larger folk can lend the those small ones some soldiers as long as we don't make them so strong they can't declare war on that country any more.

[SunnyInc.]

Three points of discussion:

1) From now on I will only be giving members of the DGNF alliance foreign aid in the form of middle man fees for tech trading. I need to keep as many foreign aid slots free as possible to maximise my tech trading profits. The whole alliance will benefit from the middleman fees and I will benefit from the direct commission. If you don't understand what I'm talking about now you're bound to find out sometime soon.

2) I need one more person to put their hand up to help me out as a middle man in the tech trading arrangmenet I've got going at the moment. There is a 50k reward for the middle man so if you've got a trade slot free and you need money put your hand up. Once I get a third volunteer I'll pm all three middle men the details of how they're going to earn their reward.

3) I think we need to establish an approval body of some sort to run the DGNF alliance. I think we should keep it relatively small for simplicity's sake and I think all interactions with other nations and alliances should be run by the approval body. I think Stat, OneWiseJed, KOes and I would do for now. If anyone has any objections please speak up.

[Delta-4]

Is there any chance we could keep a regularly updated list of countries in the alliance and registered Den users in this topic? Perhaps linked or entirely in the first post?

Sent you a PM on CN, Sunny.

Also, if anyone needs some minor aid, I can send some. Obviously, though, I can't provide much. I'm too small to make major contributions at the moment.

[SunnyInc.]

Is there any chance we could keep a regularly updated list of countries in the alliance and registered Den users in this topic? Perhaps linked or entirely in the first post?

Sent you a PM on CN, Sunny.

Also, if anyone needs some minor aid, I can send some. Obviously, though, I can't provide much. I'm too small to make major contributions at the moment.

I recieved your pm. I'll send you, nilloC and the third middle man the instructions once we actually get a third middle man.

Edit: I now have a third middle man. If you missed out this time and you were interested in making 50k I'll be sure to include you next time as long as you have a free foreign aid slot. I will send the three people who put their hands up for middle men the instructions within the hour.

Edit II: KOes, nilloC and delta - I've sent you all the instructions via CN PM. Please note the times are in CN server time, not Aussie time. Please send me a response via CN PM to confirm that you have received and understand the instructions.

[OneWiseJedi]

If alliance members goto the foreign aid screen and feel as they are being left behind, be assured this is not the case. I (we) will be sure to try to help everyone so we grow together. If not for limits of slots I would helped everyone already. I gave Statalyzer the most @ 205k since he is the head.

I hope a few more DGNF members join.

We need to become more organized and collected to secure our progress.

Perhaps 5 leaders are needed to avoid a tie in a vote.

[Statalyzer]

Chuckie, what is the nature of the general dispute over which you've launched your attack?

[OneWiseJedi]

Lebensraum- This is what Fulcrum put in his declaration of war, its a old Nazi ideology; What a way to represent the DGNF. I have no objection to agreed upon wars, however we must not use sensitive terms. I do not want to be represented that way. How do the rest of us feel?

[nilloC]

Once the deal with Sunny goes through, I can give 10K to a nation that needs it. Right now I'm just trying to massively buff up my infrastructure as to increase the population and yadda yadda yadda.

[Statalyzer]

By the way, don't be in a hurry to load up on tanks just because you have the Tech to do so. You always have to watch for maintainance costs of anything you buy. With infrastructure you're also increasing the population and thus getting more tax money so it's not a big deal. But with other stuff (improvements, soldiers, tanks, etc), there are sizeable upkeep costs. I just loaded up on so many tanks forgetting that they cost me $40/day to maintain, so I had to decommission some of them the next day.

[Nilsog]

Ive got uranium and water if anyone wants to start trading. You know you want nukes, step up! Get your uranium here... :scared:

[KrasnyOktyabr]

By the way, don't be in a hurry to load up on tanks just because you have the Tech to do so. You always have to watch for maintainance costs of anything you buy. With infrastructure you're also increasing the population and thus getting more tax money so it's not a big deal. But with other stuff (improvements, soldiers, tanks, etc), there are sizeable upkeep costs. I just loaded up on so many tanks forgetting that they cost me $40/day to maintain, so I had to decommission some of them the next day.

You make a good point. Tanks are great, but if you purchase them be prepared to maintain them.

[OneWiseJedi]

I only bought tanks when a invading battle was eminent. Chances are the attacker will kill all of your tanks so you wont have to maintain them.

In defense they kept me from loosing a ton of Tech and Infrastructure. I lost at least 90 infrastructure, 15 Tech and 250 land in battles.
It might have been as bad as 150 Infrastructure, 25 Tech 300 land without the tanks I had. The tank is useful, however you mut be strategic as not to assume maintenance costs.
Proper micro management of this is of the up most importance to assure our swift progress.

We must always be in the moment, and also thinking ahead.

Remember 1 time is a mistake, 2 times is a choice. Lets not make bad choices for the sake of the alliance, always learn from mistakes.

I just realized I have 2 567 soldiers killed. I think thats more death than everyone in the alliance combined. If the chess players start dotting up our alliance I will leave, as to not make it extremely difficult for the rest of you to progress.

[SunnyInc.]

Two points of discussion:

a) I think the members of the alliance at the top end should try to limit their strength. The benefits of doing this are two fold in that we aren't as likely to be tech raided by stronger nations and will be more able to directly support the weaker nations in our alliance (especialyl as the gap in strength across our alliance narrows).

b) I've received the money for the tech deal and the foreign aid operation will go ahead at the designated game time, as planned.

Edit: Tonight I am going to draft an official DGNF alliance charter.

[GeneralsDaughter]

a) I think the members of the alliance at the top end should try to limit their strength. The benefits of doing this are two fold in that we aren't as likely to be tech raided by stronger nations and will be more able to directly support the weaker nations in our alliance (especialyl as the gap in strength across our alliance narrows).

This also keeps the stronger nations safe. You don't want anyone stuck out front alone, because then you can only aid him, and if you're tech dealing, your foreign aid is going to be close to full. Three nations attacking one is more effective than two supporting a single attacker.

[OneWiseJedi]

Statalyzer do you have powers that can boot people from the alliance?

[Fulcrum]

Lebensraum- This is what Fulcrum put in his declaration of war, its a old Nazi ideology; What a way to represent the DGNF. I have no objection to agreed upon wars, however we must not use sensitive terms. I do not want to be represented that way. How do the rest of us feel?
I felt that it was hilarious and well represented what my nation needed from his - namely land and stolen infrastructure. It means "living space" and was coined in the late 1800s. From Wikipedia:
It served as the motivation for the expansionist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansionist) policies of Nazi Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany), aiming to provide extra space for the growth of the German population, for a Greater Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germany). In Hitler's book Mein Kampf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf), he detailed his belief that the German people needed Lebensraum ("living space", i.e. land and raw materials), and that it should be found in the East.
My nation seeks these same properties and I felt it a fitting declaration. However, abiding with the alliance, I have sent a peace proposal to the member of the Sparta alliance. My assault on the other nation, however will continue unabated as it has no alliance.

[SunnyInc.]

This also keeps the stronger nations safe. You don't want anyone stuck out front alone, because then you can only aid him, and if you're tech dealing, your foreign aid is going to be close to full. Three nations attacking one is more effective than two supporting a single attacker.


Exactly.

Even with the extra foreign ministry and the extra aid slot it provides I'm going to have no spare slots most of the time. I might start electing my middle men on the basis of who need aid the most and lumping in extra cash and troops with the middle man fee and the technology. Mind, if they're under attack we risk losing tech that belongs to the third party. I'll have a think about how I'm going to manage all that...

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny make sure in you dealings you can cover the cost of unforeseen trouble. We don't need a DGNF alliance member owing a heavy handed alliance. Its not the things you think of that get you; its the things you don't. Nice work but be careful.

[SunnyInc.]

As long as our middle men transfer the tech at the designated time there won't be enough time for us to be raided. If the third party takes too long to accept the aid and we get raided in the meantime we will not be held accountable. Don't worry yorself - I've planned this very carefully.

[Delta-4]

I'd like to ask something...what if the person we're supposed to transfer the tech to is inactive and never accepts the transfer? Do we send it back, keep it, give it to a different member of their alliance, what?

[SunnyInc.]

I'd like to ask something...what if the person we're supposed to transfer the tech to is inactive and never accepts the transfer? Do we send it back, keep it, give it to a different member of their alliance, what?

He'll accept. Don't you worry about that. Whether he accepts it within the designated time slot is the question but don't you worry about that. As long as you're online at the time I specified and transfer the tech as soon as you get it you've earnt your commission. It's upto him to accept it.

[Fulcrum]

It has come to my attention that my nation's expansionist practices have been further expanded on another nation. He has no alliances, but sits with more than 25K in his bank and at least 1.5 technology. The target was far too desirable for me to sit back and do nothing. Please do not aid this country as you have with my previous targets.

[SunnyInc.]

It has come to my attention that my nation's expansionist practices have been further expanded on another nation. He has no alliances, but sits with more than 25K in his bank and at least 1.5 technology. The target was far too desirable for me to sit back and do nothing. Please do not aid this country as you have with my previous targets.

We'll have to see what Stat and OneWiseSith have to say but I'm sure the DGNF alliance will sanction this war.

Editage: I'm proposing that we create a three man senate consisting of OneWiseSith, Statalyzer and myself to run the DGNF alliance. Is everyone happy with that?

[nilloC]

It has come to my attention that my nation's expansionist practices have been further expanded on another nation. He has no alliances, but sits with more than 25K in his bank and at least 1.5 technology. The target was far too desirable for me to sit back and do nothing. Please do not aid this country as you have with my previous targets.

I disagree.

But if higher powers sanction it, what can ye do?

[SunnyInc.]

I disagree.

But if higher powers sanction it, what can ye do?

If the war strengthens a member of our alliance without bringing our alliance into jepordy I don't see what the problem is. He is weak and has no affiliations and fulcrum can loot his land and technology..

[Statalyzer]

So our goal is to warmonger with everyone we can on the basis of them being weak? Might does not make right, justice must prevail! I would like to know how Fulcrum knew how much money this guy has in the bank, I don't seem to be able to view that.

Here are some important things on warfare:

The victor in a battle has the ability to capture up to 15% of the opponents available cash up to $1 million. (If the defending nation has been inactive for 13 days or more these items will be destroyed rather than looted)

This is to prevent someone from finding a nation which has been abandoned from being looted right before it gets deleted from the game. However, I think if a Nation is inactive for 10 days or more, we can probably go ahead and attack it as someone who lets their country sit around for 10 straight days probably is intended to let it get deleted on the basis of inactivity.

But think of your fellow DGNF members, don't immediately attack a nation that's 10 days old that you find that is within strength levels. Post it here and say "I'm attacking it at 4pm central tomorrrow, everyone who wants to can join me" so we can all benefit and get some cash.

Also notice this:


Nations involved in ground attacks performed between 6:00 PM and 6:00 AM game time will receive a 5% bonus to their technology bonus for attacking/defending at night. Ground attacks performed between 6:00 AM and 6:00 PM will receive a 1% bonus to their soldier efficiency strength. (Not considering your opponent, if you have less than 1,000 technology it is better to attack during the day otherwise it is better to attack at night.)

Also I would be fine with an attack if we noticed a nation that is alone without an alliance AND has done something worthy of intervention. For example, they are going around bullying other countries or have an evil terrorist-sponsoring government or something like that. In that case Keen Command [our version of Washington/The Pentagon] would agree that military intervention is worthwhile.

Statalyzer do you have powers that can boot people from the alliance?

I don't think so. Unfortunately their Q&A isn't very helpful but I'm trying to find out from him. For example, I asked where the suggestion box was b/c I had a couple, and he sent me a link that didn't work. I told him that link didn't work, and he hasn't replied after about a week.

By the way, who is KStinson? Also, if anyone else joins, if you would chose a "ruler name" similar to your name here, it'd be a lot easier to remember who is who. If you already haven't done that, then referring to your country by name on this thread would be nice.

[SunnyInc.]

So our goal is to warmonger with everyone we can on the basis of them being weak? Might does not make right, justice must prevail! I would like to know how Fulcrum knew how much money this guy has in the bank, I don't seem to be able to view that.

I was thinking more along the lines of the occassional looting and extortion operation.

If it benefits the alliance without putting us at risk I don't see waht the problem is..

[Chuckie]

Chuckie, what is the nature of the general dispute over which you've launched your attack?

No reason, just felt like commiting some random mayhem.

[SunnyInc.]

No reason, just felt like commiting some random mayhem.

...you haven't deployed any troops by the looks of things.

[Statalyzer]

We really need do need to get closer in strength though, I was looking for potential targets and realized that anyone I attacked I would be the only one attacking.

Otherwise we'd have to make deals and keep aid slots open. Example: I'm about 400, and several guys are between 100 and 200, let's say they want to attack a 150-strength country. I could give them each some soldiers and in exchange they give me a percentage of what they capture in the attack. That's only feasible every now-and-then of course.

Once the day breaks I will attack Jedicens which is also about strength 400. They will have a slight advantage in soldiers as I only deployed so many, but mine are more efficient and I've got my transports loaded with tanks so I expect to overrun their mediocre front-line troops. Currently nobody in DGNF can join in but you are welcome to join me if you can get up half of Jedicen's strength to be able to declare war.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

I feel that my nation should have a say in the working of the Alliance.

Also, I've been approached with an extremely generous trade offer, however I'm very weary of accepting it. I'm looking further into it, but it seems like there must be a catch.

[SunnyInc.]

I feel that my nation should have a say in the working of the Alliance.

Also, I've been approached with an extremely generous trade offer, however I'm very weary of accepting it. I'm looking further into it, but it seems like there must be a catch.

KOes: Yes, you should be on the senate too. I mentioned you when I first brought up the idea but I forgot to mention you in my last post..

Stat: You still haven't given me an answer regarding the whole senate idea. I was thinking you should be the only member of the senate with the power to veto any decision made by the senate because you founded the alliance and have pretty much called the shots since the beginning. For a vote to pass three out of the four senators (one must be you) would have to vote to pass a notion. What do you think?

[GeneralsDaughter]

I feel that my nation should have a say in the working of the Alliance.

Also, I've been approached with an extremely generous trade offer, however I'm very weary of accepting it. I'm looking further into it, but it seems like there must be a catch.

They can't really put a catch in. It's not raidable, or anything along those lines. Mine cancelled on me after a week or two, but you've already gotten at least a first payment.

[Fulcrum]

So our goal is to warmonger with everyone we can on the basis of them being weak? Might does not make right, justice must prevail! I would like to know how Fulcrum knew how much money this guy has in the bank, I don't seem to be able to view that.

This is to prevent someone from finding a nation which has been abandoned from being looted right before it gets deleted from the game. However, I think if a Nation is inactive for 10 days or more, we can probably go ahead and attack it as someone who lets their country sit around for 10 straight days probably is intended to let it get deleted on the basis of inactivity.
But think of your fellow DGNF members, don't immediately attack a nation that's 10 days old that you find that is within strength levels. Post it here and say "I'm attacking it at 4pm central tomorrrow, everyone who wants to can join me" so we can all benefit and get some cash.

Also I would be fine with an attack if we noticed a nation that is alone without an alliance AND has done something worthy of intervention. For example, they are going around bullying other countries or have an evil terrorist-sponsoring government or something like that. In that case Keen Command [our version of Washington/The Pentagon] would agree that military intervention is worthwhile.

By the way, who is KStinson?

I know how much money he has because I declared war and executed an attack, it shows how much money they have available to attack/defend. I don't know how many slots are open, but if anyone is within the 27 range is open for war, this guy still has 24K in the bank. I took 7K from him. My attacks plunged him into anarchy and I can no longer attack him (>1% chance of victory).

Also KStinson is one of my friends. He ghosts these forums sometimes.

[Statalyzer]

Also KStinson is one of my friends. He ghosts these forums sometimes.

Fair enough. I've also invited a friend (JohnWE, the CnCFiles.com webmaster) to join although he's not sure if he will yet. I won't make it a common practice - I only invited John because he's one of the biggest fans contributor to the games this forums exists for - and I do think we should all notify everyone if a friend joins the DGNF Alliance who doesn't post here.

Sunny, as far as a Senate idea, I think it's a good idea, but I propose we rotate it. For example, each month the oldest senate member moves down and a new one comes up who we vote on? Maybe that is too complicated. I want to make sure the smaller nations have their fair say - although keep in mind we are all still our own Soverign States and nothing can prevent us from taking unilateral action, however unadvised.

Also, is there a standard percentage of money you keep in tech trades. I've offered my largest trading partner a tech deal but it's just in general terms right now. Tech costs 15k per level for me, so if he sent me, for example 2M and I bought 100 Tech with 1.5M of it and pocketed the other .5M, is that about right?

[Alpha and Omega]

My attacks plunged him into anarchy and I can no longer attack him (>1% chance of victory).

Lol, same here, I was just trying out the battle setting on an unarmed nation, he had 0 soldiers and was in my strength range. :wtf:

Now he's in anarchy and my soldiers are just walking around sightseeing.

[SunnyInc.]

Also, is there a standard percentage of money you keep in tech trades. I've offered my largest trading partner a tech deal but it's just in general terms right now. Tech costs 15k per level for me, so if he sent me, for example 2M and I bought 100 Tech with 1.5M of it and pocketed the other .5M, is that about right?

Remember to factor in that you can only purchase ten units of technology at a time and the price of technology increase with each transaction. This means you'll have to buy five lots of ten units to get your 50 units with each lot of ten units costing more than the last. Once you've got your fifty units you need to make sure your middle man has accepted the foreign aid before you buy the next fifty units. This will allow the price to go back down again. For 100 units of technology I'd be looking for at least two million plus the fees for the two middle men. Try to use middle men from our alliance so they can benefit from the commission..

Sunny, as far as a Senate idea, I think it's a good idea, but I propose we rotate it. For example, each month the oldest senate member moves down and a new one comes up who we vote on? Maybe that is too complicated. I want to make sure the smaller nations have their fair say - although keep in mind we are all still our own Soverign States and nothing can prevent us from taking unilateral action, however unadvised.

For simplicity's sake let's just keep it at four permanent members.

With regards to a nation's soverignty, you're right, they can do whatever they please but if they go against the senate's verdict they will no longer be protected by the alliance. That sounds fair, doesn't it? The seante will also take into account the opinions of the non-senate member before making a decision. Does that sound alright?

[nilloC]

I feel my country (USSRawr) is going to be pretty stagnant until the trifecta deal I have going with Sunny will give me a nice purse so I can actually purchase a large quantity of Infrastructure and land. Until then I'm pretty much worthless, as I only make as much as I tax (Which is about $2,770 a day right now).

Besides, I had a deal with OneWiseSith and Chuckie that unfortunately fell through, I think Chuckie spent all the money before I could accept the $10,000 that was offered through him by OneWiseSith. :p

I'm just happy I haven't gotten attacked yet, really. :p

[Alpha and Omega]

How's this, a 5 seated council (senate), with the 3 strongest nations being permanent members, the other members rotate. With the 2 rotation nations holding a veto.

That way, those with the greatest strength get the most say, but also can't just delegate activities out to the weaker members.

Just a suggestion. Feel free to take it in or leave it out.

[SunnyInc.]

I feel my country (USSRawr) is going to be pretty stagnant until the trifecta deal I have going with Sunny will give me a nice purse so I can actually purchase a large quantity of Infrastructure and land. Until then I'm pretty much worthless, as I only make as much as I tax (Which is about $2,770 a day right now).

Besides, I had a deal with OneWiseSith and Chuckie that unfortunately fell through, I think Chuckie spent all the money before I could accept the $10,000 that was offered through him by OneWiseSith. :p

I'm just happy I haven't gotten attacked yet, really. :p

Spend money on troops and infrastructure and by the bare minimum in land. Infrastructure will increase the amount of tax paying citizens and the amount of money they earn and will, therefore, increase the revenue you can raise through tax. Infrastructure is KEY to becoming a powerful nation.

[nilloC]

Spend money on troops and infrastructure and by the bare minimum in land. Infrastructure will increase the amount of tax paying citizens and the amount of money they earn and will, therefore, increase the revenue you can raise through tax. Infrastructure is KEY to becoming a powerful nation.

Infrastructure is pretty much all I've been buying, period. Up to 24.00 right now, which I feel is somewhat high for a small country like USSRawr. :p

And A&O, I like your idea.

[Statalyzer]

Spend money on troops and infrastructure and by the bare minimum in land. Infrastructure will increase the amount of tax paying citizens and the amount of money they earn and will, therefore, increase the revenue you can raise through tax. Infrastructure is KEY to becoming a powerful nation.

Stuff like this is what is already starting to annoy me about this game honestly. There's not enough uniqueness, because there's one ideal way to grow and one only - max infrastructure, hi-20s tax rate, keep your soldier level low enough to prevent riots and if there's a war then buy them and deploy them and fight all at once to avoid maintainance. I'm want to play it like I'm role-playing a real nation which is spread-out and thus low-density and has mostly libertarian/conservative policies so tax isn't that high, and the game penalizes me for doing that.

Also just looked over the suggestions forum and there's a lot of good stuff they aren't doing, Navies and Custom Flags being the biggest example but there are others. And most of that stuff isn't that hard to code. I've seen stuff like this before (both interactive games/semi-role playing stuff and MMORPGs) turn into crap because the community doesn't get listened to, so I'm a bit suspicious here.

[SunnyInc.]

Stuff like this is what is already starting to annoy me about this game honestly. There's not enough uniqueness, because there's one ideal way to grow and one only - max infrastructure, hi-20s tax rate, keep your soldier level low enough to prevent riots and if there's a war then buy them and deploy them and fight all at once to avoid maintainance. I'm want to play it like I'm role-playing a real nation which is spread-out and thus low-density and has mostly libertarian/conservative policies so tax isn't that high, and the game penalizes me for doing that.

The happiness of your citizens has a huge influence over your nation's economy. Tax rate's around the high twenties will have a negative effect on their happiness. The trade off with taxes is the higher the taxes the lower the productivity. You need to find the point at which the taxes are the highest and the citizens work the hardest. Hence, providing you with the maximum possible revenue.

[SgtRicko]

Now he's in anarchy and my soldiers are just walking around sightseeing.

ROFLMAO!!!:lol::rofl::lmao:

Anyhoot, if that is the case, then you should just send them home - there's no use in trying to keep them in foreign territory as it will only bring down your morale at home.

[SunnyInc.]

ROFLMAO!!!:lol::rofl::lmao:

Anyhoot, if that is the case, then you should just send them home - there's no use in trying to keep them in foreign territory as it will only bring down your morale at home.

You can only make one deployment per day so he'll have to wait till he can bring them home.

[Statalyzer]

Alright, my invasion of Jedicens is confirmed. I believe Weasaliastanica is the only other country who can invade them, so have it if you wish my rodentkind friends.

Tax rate's around the high twenties will have a negative effect on their happiness. The trade off with taxes is the higher the taxes the lower the productivity. You need to find the point at which the taxes are the highest and the citizens work the hardest. Hence, providing you with the maximum possible revenue.

On the CN forums its apparently common knowledge that this point is always in the high-twenties. It's also apparently a bad idea to not get a nationwide Social Security System once you can.

[Zancloufer27]

Infra Structure is what most of your cash should go into. Looks for trades that bad you cheaper infra/more people, or richer people.

Banks and Factories are the best improvements there are.

[OneWiseJedi]

We must get some structure to the alliance by Sunday. This is my thought.

I see that of our 16 DGNF alliance members only 6 of us are nuclear countries. I would like to be the head of a nuclear faction of DGNF alliance. I would not vote any non nuclear faction issues, however I would have Vito powers across all facets.

That said I believe my nation speaks for itself. I have grown a very powerful alliance country in just 2 weeks time, and at times under very harsh conditions. I have done this through intelligence and trades only, I have not made any donations (nor will I), I hope my success speaks for itself.

We must lay the ground work now, while in our infancy. I think that this faction will provide security and substance.

[SunnyInc.]

On the CN forums its apparently common knowledge that this point is always in the high-twenties. It's also apparently a bad idea to not get a nationwide Social Security System once you can.

Happiness increases and decreases incramentally as you raise and lower taxes. It just doesn't suddenly plummet when you reach a certain level.

We must get some structure to the alliance by Sunday. This is my thought.

I've already proposed four members for a senate and nobody seems to have any objections to it. I will have also drawn up a DGNF charter soon that the senate will have to vote upon.

I see that of our 16 DGNF alliance members only 6 of us are nuclear countries. I would like to be the head of a nuclear faction of DGNF alliance. I would not vote any non nuclear faction issues, however I would have Vito powers across all facets.

That said I believe my nation speaks for itself. I have grown a very powerful alliance country in just 2 weeks time, and at times under very harsh conditions. I have done this through intelligence and trades only, I have not made any donations (nor will I), I hope my success speaks for itself.

We must lay the ground work now, while in our infancy. I think that this faction will provide security and substance.

I will become a nuclear country as soon as I am capable of producing nuclear weapons. The only reason I haven't set my country's position in favour of nuc's is that it affects your countries happiness. I'm only willing to affect the happiness of my country in this manner when I am nuclear capable.

[Statalyzer]

Keep in mind that you have to be in the top 5% of nations by strength to get nukes or else get a specific epensive wonder. My nation doesn't actually believe in never getting nukes, but that was the only way to point out that my country was using nuclear power plants.

Happiness increases and decreases incramentally as you raise and lower taxes. It just doesn't suddenly plummet when you reach a certain level.

I know that. But there is a balance point, below which you should raise taxes and the extra money compensates for the decreased happiness, and above which you should lower taxes and the extra happiness and higher income per person will more than make up for the lost percentage per person.

[OneWiseJedi]

Keep in mind that you have to be in the top 5% of nations by strength to get nukes or else get a specific epensive wonder. My nation doesn't actually believe in never getting nukes


When I'm the top 1%, I'm building the Death Star.

[SunnyInc.]

Members of the DGNF senate,

Ealry this morning I recieved a CN PM from Doper of the nation Fruit of the Crack. The message read and I quote, "get ready to get your ass handed to you, sunshine". Upon receiving this PM I immediately deployed my troops for war without consulting the senate. I took this course of action because I believed Fruit of the Crack constitued an immediate threat to the national security of The Sunshine Republic. I am requesting that the DGNF senate approve this deployment and ratify an all-out-war on Fruit of the Crack. If this notion is passed by the senate, I am also requesting that all members of the alliance who are capable of attacking an enemy with an approximate strength of 950 deploy their armies for battle. I have already plunged Fruit of the Crack into anarchy and destoryed the better part of his army but it is my firm belief that we need to attack him until he is no longer capable of retaliating.

Please come to a decision quickly,

SunnyInc (The Sunshien Republic)

[Nilsog]

Esteemed members of the Senate, I approach you today representing the soveriegn nation of United Soggia. We are still a young nation, and along with that comes a small military. We currently lack the ability to support our brethren in the Sunshine Republic on the batlefield, however, I urge you to support the war against Doper. Doing so is the only logical course of action, we cannot allow foriegn nations to walk on our alliance. United we are strong. I thank you for your time and consideraton.

Nilsog of United Soggia

[Alpha and Omega]

You guys are way too into this. lol
I knew we shoulda just played OGame.

[Delta-4]

Den Senate, as most of you know, I am Adam Weasilius the fourth, current president and commander-with-the-biggest-hat of Weasaliastanica. I come before you to discuss the current conflict between the Sunshine Republic, whom our good friend SunnyInc is the leader of, and the previously unknown nation "Fruit of the Crack" led by the also previously unknown "Doper".
While you know the Weasalian motto of "Diplomacy before war, but only after dinner", we fully support SunnyInc's invasion to the most we can. If we had more troops and a bigger budget, we'd gladly aid our fellow alliance member, but the small size of our young nation prevents this. Our troops are currently on vacation in Jedicens, - I've heard the weather is lovely there. Perhaps we could mark this as a Den vacation spot. - so we are unable to provide military aid. Our economy is currently focusing all of its effort on improving our lands and the current budget of the state is four lint balls and a broken pencil. Taxes are due soon, so this problem will be rectified quickly.
While we cannot offer in materials, we can most definitely deliver you the support of the Weasalian populace. My people are all in favor of these military actions and will support the decision to beat this aggressor into the ground where he stands until it's impossible to even clean up the remains. I've even seen a few of my own countrymen depart from the nation to enlist in the Sunshine military.

So, in short, while we can't offer you troops or money, we offer all of our support. I will eagerly await the Senate's decision on this matter.

* Adam Weasilius departs from the Senate's meeting room in silence *

* A Weasalian lawyer in the audience begins to clap slowly *

* Everyone looks at him confusedly *

* Silence *

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny I have declared war with doper, you will not stand alone. If KO joins we will have the capabilities to ZI doper.

I have great deals that will start baring fruit on Tuesday, I hope to get 2 banks and 1 foreign ministry as well as distribute funds among us.


Edit* Doper down and out

You cannot attack Fruit of the Crack at this time because their battle odds are at 0% and are not high enough to fight your forces. The government of Fruit of the Crack has just been sent into Anarchy due to their lack of security forces. Riots engulf the nation of Fruit of the Crack as your soldiers relax and enjoy their victory.

[Statalyzer]

Dang, Weasilus, that was too easy - unfortunately I wasn't able to loot any technology from Jedicens. My odds were 98-2 so I couldn't attack, so I tried undeploying my soldiers and just attacking with tanks so I could lower the odds and be allowed to attack. Even though I had 10 tanks to his 6 men it said I had a 0% chance so I couldn't attack - and then I couldn't change my deployment any more!

[Alpha and Omega]

About to declare war on waywardland. No alliance affiliation, small army. I don't feel the need to get Senate approval for this one as it doesn't involve or jeopardize the Alliance, but if anyone in the 160-190 range wants to join in feel free to do so.

[SunnyInc.]

About to declare war on waywardland. No alliance affiliation, small army. I don't feel the need to get Senate approval for this one as it doesn't involve or jeopardize the Alliance, but if anyone in the 160-190 range wants to join in feel free to do so.

Anyone in the 80-320 strength bracket is capable of attacking Waywardland.]

You should really put it by the senate before you deploy your troops though..

[Statalyzer]

Doper was clearly threaten us and was just begging for the preemptive assault that was delivered with efficiency and fury. But what did waywardland do to deserve this?

[OneWiseJedi]

No one ever declare war on a red team member. This is very important. Do not forget. No attacking/raiding a Red team member.

Any attack against Red team is unacceptable.

[SunnyInc.]

The NPO offers protection to ALL red team members, doesn't it?

[OneWiseJedi]

Yes- The New Pacific Order (NPO) has a Revenge Doctrine. Never attack red. There is no excuse if you forget, it will be deemed unacceptable in each and every case.

[Nod Fanatic]

Dear members of the DGNF Alliance, this is ruler Black Friday of the Grathian Empire, I am letting it be known that I offer full support both of the war and troops for the war, between the Sunshine Republic and its enemies.
ooc: That is, if it's even still going. *Logs in to CN*

[OneWiseJedi]

Here is a tax scale to help maintain happiness and get max dollars.

Tax Percentage Gross Income

16% Under $10 Gross

20% Between $10.00 Gross and $32.66 Gross

23% Between $32.67 Gross and $50.80 Gross

28% Anything over $50.80 Gross

[Annihlator :D]

Am I ready to take myself out of peace mode yet? I'm on day 3, and I think i could support myself in a war if I needed to, and i already have a (small) army. about 26 soldiers, should I exit peace mode?

EDIT: someone to trade with might be nice, as I only have one slot filled. I have gems and pigs.

[SunnyInc.]

Am I ready to take myself out of peace mode yet? I'm on day 3, and I think i could support myself in a war if I needed to, and i already have a (small) army. about 26 soldiers, should I exit peace mode?

EDIT: someone to trade with might be nice, as I only have one slot filled. I have gems and pigs.

You shouldn't have been in peace mode in the first place because you can't be attacked for the first two days and peace mode ruins your economy.

[GeneralsDaughter]

You shouldn't have been in peace mode in the first place because you can't be attacked for the first two days and peace mode ruins your economy.

Peace mode only hurts you if you stay in it for more than a week at a time. I don't know why you all all catching so much fire from other people, but hopefully Sunny's crippling attack will give people something to think about.

[Alpha and Omega]

DGNF Senate, I officially announce my forthcoming invasion of waywardland. This is nothing more than a raid, and is totally unprovoked. As such, I advise that the alliance not be implicated. The atttack will commence at midnight, you have until then to declare any reason as to why I should stall my attack...

A&O, Archangel of the Seraph Dominion of Nadrojia.

[SunnyInc.]

DGNF Senate, I officially announce my forthcoming invasion of waywardland. This is nothing more than a raid, and is totally unprovoked. As such, I advise that the alliance not be implicated. The atttack will commence at midnight, you have until then to declare any reason as to why I should stall my attack...

A&O, Archangel of the Seraph Dominion of Nadrojia.

Alpha and Omega,

There is little doubt in my mind that the proposed invasion of waywardland would be success if you were to follow through with it. However, whether you like it or not the entire alliance will be held accountable for your actions and in my eyes - this is unacceptable. As one of four member of the DGNF senate, I'd like to make it perfectly clear that I do not approve of the proposed raid on waywardland. At the same point in time, however, I recognize the sovereignity of Nadrojia and the power of the three other senators to vote in favour of the action. If the senate ends up blocking this action and you choose to invade waywardland anyway, I will motion for the senate to review it's support for the future dealings of Nadrojia.

Kind Regards,

SunnyInc (DGNF Senator)

[Statalyzer]

I'd strongly recommend we limit unprovoked attacks to countries that's been inactive for 10 days or so. That way they can't pull the weenie "OMG attack, I'll join an Alliance quickly and get them to retroactively defend their member nation" because they aren't around. Now with Doper it was different - he indicated he was going to attack and so a pre-emptive strike is deserved. But unprovoked they should be close to the 13-day period but not quite there AND not be part of an Alliance - an Alliance might still defend an inactive member.

However, if you view the inactive's Alliance and realize that nobody in there is strong enough to attack you, then go ahead. In one case I saw an alliance that was 5 members that had like 50k strength and a 6th with like 500 strength. I would have raided the weak one since I could anarachy him before any of his 5 big colleagus could aid him, and then they could not attack me, but he was only like 3 days inactive so I didn't do it.

I also got my donation game-money in, but I realized there's no way I can give everybody some because I only have 4 foreign slots (5 if I blow 120k that I don't have on a Foreign Ministry) and they are all full now anyway. As they do open up, however, I will give our smaller members a little extra dough to help them get some infrastructure up, but some of you might take a few weeks to get it.

If any of you smaller nations have 4 aid slots open I could give you 4x the money I would give and ask that you give 1/4th of it each to 3 other countries and keep the other 1/4th - as long as you can guarantee you'll keep your promise and not horde it all.

[Alpha and Omega]

I also got my donation game-money in, but I realized there's no way I can give everybody some because I only have 4 foreign slots (5 if I blow 120k that I don't have on a Foreign Ministry) and they are all full now anyway. As they do open up, however, I will give our smaller members a little extra dough to help them get some infrastructure up, but some of you might take a few weeks to get it.

The attack is postponed, and I understand the reasoning.
However, this is how nations grow. Unless you donate money as you have, raiding is how you expand your nation. It's understood in the game that that's a common occurence, and it in no way misrepresents any alliance. If we never attack anyone but people who attack us, we will eventually be destroyed. That's how the game works, and what it's all about.

Note: Planned raid will be carried out on an 11 day inactive, non-alliance nation, as per Stat's advise.

[SunnyInc.]

The attack is postponed, and I understand the reasoning.
However, this is how nations grow. Unless you donate money as you have, raiding is how you expand your nation. It's understood in the game that that's a common occurence, and it in no way misrepresents any alliance. If we never attack anyone but people who attack us, we will eventually be destroyed. That's how the game works, and what it's all about.

Wrong, any player who has done his background reading or has played the game for long enough knows that raiding other nations isn't the only way to expand. Also, alot of people subscribe to the theory that initiating a conflict without good cause will leave you worse off in the long run when the victim's seek refuge at a more powerful alliance.


Note: Planned raid will be carried out on an 11 day inactive, non-alliance nation, as per Stat's advise.

Even so you shall put it by the Senate (consisting of KOes, Stat, OneWiseJedi and myself) before you do so.

[Alpha and Omega]

Even so you shall put it by the Senate (consisting of KOes, Stat, OneWiseJedi and myself) before you do so.

Indeed, someone may seek an alliance, but if they're AWOL for 13 days, the chances that they're even playing the game is much lower.

Secondly, there has yet to be a decision as to who is on the Senate. There were no elections or charters to agree on, so no, you don't get a say yet. However, you are very knowledgable, so I will of course take your advice.

[SunnyInc.]

The current senate is only a temporary leadership team until I get the time to finish the draft charter. Each member of the leadership team has different things they can offer as leaders. Stat is automatically head of the alliance though because he created it. Mind, he'd probably be on the senate even if he hadn't created the alliance..

Editage:

The Sunshine Republic has been continuing its assault of the nation Fruit of the Crack (Doper) in the form of cruise missile attacks. This is because we can longer carry out ground attacks because as we've already razed Doper's ground forces. The Sunshien Republic requests that any member of the DGNF capable of launching cruise missile strikes against Fruit of the Crack to do so.

[Alpha and Omega]

The current senate is only a temporary leadership team until I get the time to finish the draft charter. Each member of the leadership team has different things they can offer as leaders. Stat is automatically head of the alliance though because he created it. Mind, he'd probably be on the senate even if he hadn't created the alliance.

Ahh, thank you for the clarification.

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny this is a message I got from Tator the fourth ranked member of the powerful MOON alliance.
Hi i am a monarch of moon may i ask why you are attacking doper he is trying to join our alliance and we need to know why he is under attack. Is this just a tech raid?
They have many alliance members in our strength range. I replied saying he threatened you and I was backing it up.

Send the CyberNations PM you got from doper to Tater to clear this up so this will become a non issue. Please notify me when you have done this.

[GeneralsDaughter]

If MOON tries to back this guy, go on the CN boards and try to get help from NATO or someone. There shouldn't be any trouble, as most alliances look down on talking smack and hiding behind an alliance when you can't back it up.


Sunny, page me if you get attacked by anyone in the 1-4 mil range.

[OneWiseJedi]

Hello OneWiseSith and SunnyInc,

You have attacked/declared upon the MOON nation of Fruit of the Crack. You are to declare peace immediately and prepare to pay reparations. You have 1 hour from reading this message. You must reply with the peace messages in order to save yourself from attack. If you fail to comply you will be attacked.

Tomato1109
Field Marshall
Sunny whats going on? Please tell me you were not the aggressor. You have the PM to show Tator and or NATO, right?

[GeneralsDaughter]

Post on the boards about him attacking you.

[Statalyzer]

Wow, MOON is helping Doper to get away with this? I have nothing against MOON, but Doper is a moron.

[OneWiseJedi]

I got this message from doper

I was not aware of any extortion going on. The sum of my contact with him(Sunny) is his trade offer which I accepted. One day later he canceled. I did send him a message asking why he canceled. His reply was he only needed a temporary trade. I thanked him for not noting that in the beginning and also thanked him for screwing me. he then declared war on me and stated he needed the tech. he was basically a jackass about it all.

They have 6 nations about to engage me & they are over 50 nations strong

This is the part where I refrain from flaming.

[Fulcrum]

Wow, irony. Wasn't it the higher ups who were warning us about attacking nations in alliances? Even so, I can help if we are forced to fight this coalition.

[Nod Fanatic]

I got this message from doper

They have 6 nations about to engage me & they are over 50 nations strong

This is the part where I refrain from flaming.
He may be trying to make himself seem in the right there. Sunny, can you tell us what the pm to you said?

[Alpha and Omega]

Damn, if they attack I have 360 troops to offer, but that's all I can do for you.

[SunnyInc.]

Hopefully this CN PM respone to one of the many member's of MOON who've been messaging me will clear up a few of your queries:

"1)Please consult Tator and he will explain the situation.

2)Doper has been lying through his teeth to try and win the support of you alliance over - that is fact.

3)I am one of four members of the DGNF senate. This is a post I made justifying my war against Doper and asking it to be sanctioned by the senate. This is the real story: http://forums.cncden.com/showpost.php?p=367357&postcount=136

4)I've offered Doper peace on several occassions and he did not comply. This indicated to me that he intended on metering out revenge so I continued to attack him with the support of my allies in the hope that we'd render him incapable of responding. Now that he has become an official member of your alliance Tator has forced him to sign a treaty with me.

5)My allies should not be held accountable supporting me in war between me and an unaffiliated (at the time Tator). If you want to threaten or negotiate with anyone in future - consult me.

(Cont.)

6)Our alliance is a peaceful alliance and does not attack unless provoked. Doper provoked a member of our alliance and was dealt with accordingly. Again, I must emphasize that he was NOT a member of MOON at the time.

7)I am currently engaged in a tech trading deal with NPO. If your alliance steals the tech that is to be transferred on the 12/12 to a tech member during potential attacks - you will have to deal with the NPO.

I'm sure yuo can empathize with our position. Doper instiaged this war and my allies supported me. I'm sure - as a reasonable human being - you can understand MY position.

Kind Regards,

SunnyInc."

Here is another one:

"Tomato1109,

I've sent PM's to numerous members of your alliance explaining the situation. I declare war on doper in response to a PM in which he indirectly threatened to attack me. I wasn't invading him in the name of expansionism, but rather - the interest of my nation's security. Had he been a member of MOON at the time, I would've expressed my concerns to someone with authority within the MOON alliance before making the decision to attack. Additional to this, I've also offered him peace treaties on several occasisions and he has declined. None of the other members I've talked to (Tator etc.) have said I need to pay reparations. This is because they recognize that Doper brought this war upon himself. I'd apprecaite it if you re-evaluated your demands upon hearing this. I'm all for a peaceful resolution and I have no issues with the MOON alliance.

Regards,

SunnyInc"

***

Memebers of the Seante,

I am requesting that you sancation a tech raid on the nation of alias3XNC. The nation has no alliance or affiliations and has been inactive for ten days indicating that the account has probably been abandoned. The Sunshine Republic would stand to benefit from the proposed raid.

Kind Regards,

SunnyInc (The Sunshine Republic)

Edit:

I am currently negoatiating with Maccer the Great so there is nothing to worry about. If we end up having to pay reparations - which I don't think we will - I will reimburse you OneWiseJedi. I don't have a screenshot of the PM stat because I delete my PM's as I go and I didn't think I'd need to use it as evidence.

[Alpha and Omega]

Memebers of the Seante,

I am requesting that you sancation a tech raid on the nation of alias3XNC. The nation has no alliance or affiliations and has been inactive for ten days indicating that the account has probably been abandoned. The Sunshine Republic would stand to benefit from the proposed raid.

Kind Regards,

SunnyInc (The Sunshine Republic)

Though I am not a Senate member, I don't see any harm in your planned tech raid. Only thing, though, you just told the entire MOON alliance that we don't attack nations without being provoked.

Either way, good luck.

[SgtRicko]

Haven't found any potential tech trade partners as of yet on the boards... can anyone give me a good lead?:shy:

[SunnyInc.]

Though I am not a Senate member, I don't see any harm in your planned tech raid. Only thing, though, you just told the entire MOON alliance that we don't attack nations without being provoked.

Either way, good luck.

Good point, I should probably wait till the whole MOON incident dies down.

[Alpha and Omega]

Haven't found any potential tech trade partners as of yet on the boards... can anyone give me a good lead?:shy:

I'm looking as well.

[SunnyInc.]

Haven't found any potential tech trade partners as of yet on the boards... can anyone give me a good lead?:shy:

Make sure you post in the foreign aid section and make sure you leave them your contact details. You'll get lots of bites if you set your price at $1,000,000 per 50 units of technology.

Editage: PM me ocne you've found a trading partner so I can review your deal and make sure you're not getting screwed... if you want.

Double Editage: If anyone is interested - the nation of Pithurea ruled by anima111 may still be looking for a tech trading partner. I had to knock him back because I already had a deal with Guido when he saw my post on the the CN forums. Contact him and tell you're interested in tech trading and you may have yourself a partner.

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny dont insult my intelligence.

Where is the CyberNations PM that doper sent you? Post it.

If you dont have the PM than you were thinking you had a soft, juicy target to hasten advancement, and made a profound, ignorant and elementary mistake.

If you do not post the threat PM, Im leaving the DGNF alliance.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Christ I lack internet for a few days and come back to this?

Sent one of the MOON gentlemen a PM explaining that for the next few weeks I may not be the best to try to contact because I'm on leave and trying to spend as much time with my loved ones as possible.

Please do not let me log in one day to see that my nation is at war. :|

[Statalyzer]

If you do not post the threat PM, Im leaving the DGNF alliance.

What if he just honestly deleted it? I agree it was a mistake to delete it, but humans do make mistakes. You all know that I've been discouraging people from wars for the past 9 pages; if I didn't believe Sunny than I would have advised him not to attack. And if any of you have been around Flamerz any time in the past year or so you'll know that I'm not some big fan of Sunny who's going to automatically believe and support him without good cause.

Wow, irony. Wasn't it the higher ups who were warning us about attacking nations in alliances?

Doper was not in an Alliance when Sunny declared war. After Sunny declared war and got OneWiseJedi to support him, Doper quickly applied for MOON b/c he realized Sunny had called his bluff and wanted protection. He happened to do this before OneWiseJedi had logged on again to declare war, so suddenly "OneWiseJedi declared war on a MOON Applicant" - which is purely an artifact of the game system because it's not real-time. BOTH Sunny and OneWiseJedi agreed to attack Doper at a time when Doper was not a member or applicant of anywhere. Sunny just got his attack in faster.

I've been negociating with the Wellesley Union of MOON. Every stay calm and things will be okay, but nobody had better undermine this diplomatic effort.

If you dont have the PM than you were thinking you had a soft, juicy target to hasten advancement

Doper wasn't exactly a soft, juicy target. It looks like that now because as a result of the war Sunny has gotten stronger and Doper has gotten weaker.

I agree with Sunny that nobody in DGNF should be attacking anybody for the time being - even the 10-day inactives that would usually be alright to go after.

[Maccers The Great]

Hey, Just wanted to stop by and say hello and don't worry sunnyInc i take screen shots of evidence.

[SunnyInc.]

I'm leaving the DGNF forums alliance for now. I may return, sometime.

Edit: Not lying OneWiseJedi but feel free to leave, there'd be little point because by leaving I've taken the Doper conflict with me..

[Statalyzer]

You don't need to leave us. I'll stand with you even if these bullies take my nation down in the process. All for one, one for all, and none for warmongering cowards who only apply to join an alliance after they've been attacked.

[Overlord Shinnra]

You don't need to leave us.
No one need leave your little alliance. It is not our intention to break you up or put you down.

I'll stand with you even if these bullies take my nation down in the process.
As far as I can tell we asked for peace for the nation and you guys decided that was too much to ask for .... I wouldn't consider that bullying and would advise you all to watch what you say or else we might decide to care.

All for one, one for all, and none for warmongering cowards who only apply to join an alliance after they've been attacked.
Last I checked you guys were the ones that tech raided and bullied on unaligned nations 2 on 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but that is pretty cowardly...

[SunnyInc.]

No one need leave your little alliance. It is not our intention to break you up or put you down.

As far as I can tell we asked for peace for the nation and you guys decided that was too much to ask for .... I wouldn't consider that bullying and would advise you all to watch what you say or else we might decide to care.

No we didn't. Doper sent me a peace offer and cancelled it an hour later. I might like to add that I offered Doper peace on several occassions before MOON became involved. I've sent Doper another peace offer that has been pending for almost half a day now..

Last I checked you guys were the ones that tech raided and bullied on unaligned nations 2 on 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but that is pretty cowardly...

Ok, this is the problem: you have no idea whats happening mate. You are now the fourth member of MOON that I'm going to have to explain the situation too. It would've been alot easier if you guys carried out your negotiations through the one diplomat instead of five.

I declared war on Doper in response to a PM in which he threatened to attack my nation. I launched an attack against his nation in the name of national security (I don't need tech because I tech trade and it hikes up my prices). By the time my ally, OneWiseSith, decided to aid me in my objective of attacking Doper until he was no longer capable of retaliating - I had already destroyed his forces. I'd like to add that OWS joined the war before Doper became a MOON applicant. Hence, OWS didn't attack Doper and joined the war after Doper lodged his application. He should not be held accountable for the damages inflicted upon Doper.

[nilloC]

As far as I can tell we asked for peace for the nation and you guys decided that was too much to ask for .... I wouldn't consider that bullying and would advise you all to watch what you say or else we might decide to care.

Oh **** you. A guy who wasn't even in an alliance acted verbally aggressive towards Sunny. So Sunny kicked his ass. Then Doper joined your alliance. By the time that happened, peace was offered several times. By the time you guys should have even came into play, most things were resolved.

I don't understand why you (yes you specifically) threaten "I would advise you all to watch what you say or else we might decide to care" over our heads like you're some divine force.

If you don't like what I just said, then fine, attack my small nation that has about 200 strength (USSRawr). Real brave, as the only reason I'm being so crass to your statement is because you demand to be taken seriously under the guise "Watch out, or we might care" which might work great in real life but not in a game simulation. Props.

[Overlord Shinnra]

He should not be held accountable for the damages inflicted upon Doper.

I have followed the whole story. He was not accountable for damages inflicted upon doper and we completely understood that. All we wanted was peace. Then you guys decided to be cocky and lie about a couple things and try and say a couple threatening things. We could have just said to hell with it, they are bashing us, lets attack but thats not our style. Instead we asked for reps for the nation. Not because you owed it to him because of damages but because you think its cool to bash peeps behind their back.

Oh **** you. A guy who wasn't even in an alliance acted verbally aggressive towards Sunny. So Sunny kicked his ass. Then Doper joined your alliance. By the time that happened, peace was offered several times. By the time you guys should have even came into play, most things were resolved.

You guys are acting verbally aggressive towards us... so we should kick your ass? Nice logic.

If you don't like what I just said, then fine, attack my small nation that has about 200 strength (USSRawr). Real brave, as the only reason I'm being so crass to your statement is because you demand to be taken seriously under the guise "Watch out, or we might care" which might work great in real life but not in a game simulation. Props.

Lmao. The logical fallacies in this couple of sentences made me laugh. Thx I needed it.

[nilloC]

Lmao. The logical fallacies in this couple of sentences made me laugh. Thx I needed it.

I'm just believing entirely in what Sunny's said.

Technically you can't attack my nation as its too small, but I'm sure you could find someone willing.

Out of our 14 (now) person alliance I believe maybe 5 nations are or have been at war. You can tell we're a massive warmongering alliance, can't you?

Oh, and this last point that I quoted. It might work nicely on a board where some members are disillusioned that they're commanding a LOLZ REAL NATION! but here it just makes you look like a ****ing moron. Which is the truth, I suppose. Point out some of hte logical fallacies next time, if you would.

[SunnyInc.]

I have followed the whole story. He was not accountable for damages inflicted upon doper and we completely understood that. All we wanted was peace. Then you guys decided to be cocky and lie about a couple things and try and say a couple threatening things. We could have just said to hell with it, they are bashing us, lets attack but thats not our style. Instead we asked for reps for the nation. Not because you owed it to him because of damages but because you think its cool to bash peeps behind their back.

I sent you a link for a single post in this thread as evidence. Any of the posts you have read in this thread other than that post probably haven't been ratified by the DGNF senate and, therefore, do not necessarily represent the opinions and sentiments of the DGNF CN alliance leadership. The alliance has made no current, official statements outlining it's position on this issue. All the remarks you've read in this thread, therefore, have been purely for discussion's sake within the DGNF alliance. I should not be forced to foot Doper's damages bill based on the unoffical remarks of my allies within the DGNF alliance's home forum. Especially when he is the one who incited the conflict in an official CN PM to me..

To avoid further misunderstandings and to prevent you scaring the **** of my former allies who have no bearing in this matter - may I request you conduct all future negotiations through me via CN PM? You should've done this in the first place seeing as I'm the main party involved in the conflict.

[Overlord Shinnra]

Point out some of hte logical fallacies next time, if you would.

You guys are acting verbally aggressive towards us... so we should kick your ass? Nice logic.

If you don't like what I just said, then fine, attack my small nation that has about 200 strength (USSRawr). Real brave, as the only reason I'm being so crass to your statement is because you demand to be taken seriously under the guise "Watch out, or we might care" which might work great in real life but not in a game simulation. Props.

I just think its hilarious that you goad me into finding someone to attack your little nation and then call me a coward if i do. Secondly I think it's hilarious that you claim I demand to be taken seriously under the guise "Watch out or we might care" but then try to be taken seriously under the "It's just a game simulation" guise. I'm glad I could spell that out for you ;)

[SunnyInc.]

Nobody respond.

My peace offer is still on the table Overlord. It has been all along. CN PM me to negotiate the terms.

Edit:

Actually, don't CN PM me. I will only negotiate with Maccers the Great. Until I am informed otherwise - all negotations will take place between him and I. Please stop causing trouble on our forums.

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny as a Senator your held to a higher standard. Deleting that PM is BS and your lying. You will never fool me, ever. Im leaving the DGNF alliance cause one day Sunny, your coming back. I have read logic & ignorance in this thread that makes me cringe. However I like you all, except Sunny. Please don't insult me and bring about flames.

[SunnyInc.]

Sunny as a Senator your held to a higher standard. Deleting that PM is BS and your lying. You will never fool me, ever. Im leaving the DGNF alliance cause one day Sunny, your coming back. I have read logic & ignorance in this thread that makes me cringe. However I like you all, except Sunny. Please don't insult me and bring about flames.

I haven't been forced to pay reparations because everyone (including all the members of the MOON alliance) knows I didn't start the war. Don't bother, I told you and stat via pm I wouldn't come back unless you were cool with it so I won't return as a matter of principle. Jeez, this was just meant to be a bit of fun. Way to chuck a tantrum and ruin the game.

[Alpha and Omega]

Which brings us to our next order of DGNF business. We need an official alliance diplomatic team, to go along with the Senate.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Sunny as a Senator your held to a higher standard. Deleting that PM is BS and your lying. You will never fool me, ever. Im leaving the DGNF alliance cause one day Sunny, your coming back. I have read logic & ignorance in this thread that makes me cringe. However I like you all, except Sunny. Please don't insult me and bring about flames.

As of now, this situation has a possibility of involving me. Can you explain why you believe he's lying?

[Overlord Shinnra]

Sunny as a Senator your held to a higher standard. Deleting that PM is BS and your lying. You will never fool me, ever. Im leaving the DGNF alliance cause one day Sunny, your coming back. I have read logic & ignorance in this thread that makes me cringe. However I like you all, except Sunny. Please don't insult me and bring about flames.

You should join MOON. So you can grow bigger then all these fools quick ;)

[SgtRicko]

You should join MOON. So you can grow bigger then all these fools quick ;)

Dude, this is NOT a recruiting station for your guys...:hmm:

[GeneralsDaughter]

You should join MOON. So you can grow bigger then all these fools quick ;)

You're pretty arrogant, buddy. Why don't you go biting at someone a bit bigger, rather than defending little punks? Regardless of whether Sunny had a reason to attack, you have no business demanding reparations on a war that was going on before Fruit fled to your alliance. Maybe you should look to the NPO for some pointers on how to conduct politics.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

You should join MOON. So you can grow bigger then all these fools quick ;)

Thank you, you know, for showing up here and calling us all fools. Thats great. I love the open, happy, and sunny atmosphere here. Some of us aren't all too worried about the rate our nations are growing. Myself, I think that I'm doing just fine. I'm not trying to bloat real quick, I don't need the ball rolling so fast I can't catch up to it. I'm enjoying the game at my own pace. Right now it that pace is slow, and for a reason. I work a lot, and away from my family at that, hell I just spent a year in South Korea. For the next 27 days I have off, and I don't intend to use it fretting over some code.

I log on once a day to keep my nation active, I come here and check in, I see the **** that is going on.

I don't like it.

I think both parties are being rather shady and irresponsible, I also think your attitude has been rather brash in the least- and down right dickish at the most.

[OneWiseJedi]

Way to chuck a tantrum and ruin the game Yeah its all my fault isn't it.

Can you explain why you believe he's lying Where's the PM? I would have no problem here if he had the proof. Why am I the bad guy for wanting proof?

Surmise the situation as you will. Its only a game.

The best part is that everybody believes Sunny so therefore that makes it true.

Yes Sunny as your page said, I'm a VERY new member of the DGNF forums. I guess that facts or lack there of, takes premise over that too.

[GeneralsDaughter]

Sunny doesn't look too good in this situation, I'll agree.

But a lack of proof does not make him a liar. We'd all be right ****ed if you were a judge, now wouldn't we?

[Alpha and Omega]

Innocent until proven guilty. Not because I said so, but because that's how intelligent, civilized men handle these situations. If anyone wishes to lower themselves to honor-free levels over a game, feel free to do so.

[SunnyInc.]

Yeah its all my fault isn't it.

Where's the PM? I would have no problem here if he had the proof. Why am I the bad guy for wanting proof?

Surmise the situation as you will. Its only a game.

The best part is that everybody believes Sunny so therefore that makes it true.

Yes Sunny as your page said, I'm a VERY new member of the DGNF forums. I guess that facts or lack there of, takes premise over that too.

Yes and integrity takes premise over speculation.

[OneWiseJedi]

When you jump to the front, name yourself a Senator, make a war then delete the threat PM. Whatever, I want no part of that. I'm not judging anyone, I just apparently see the world in a different way. If you had the PM this would be a non issue. But its hard to have something you never had isn't it.

[SunnyInc.]

When you jump to the front, name yourself a Senator,

I named four senators to form a temporary leadership team until I could draw up a draft charter to be voted on. Nobody, including Stat - the alliance leader - seemed to have any objections to it.

make a war then delete the threat PM.

I said it before and I'll say it again - I've deleted every CN PM as I've read it. If I had a greater understanding of how the CN fantasy world political system worked and had I known that I needed to keep them to prove to friends from my home forum that I wasn't lying, I would've.

But its hard to have something you never had isn't it.

How would you know? You've been here like, what? A couple of months? Members who've never really had that much time for me are backing my word. If that doesn't get you thinking, I don't know what will. I'm bailing from this thread. It was fun while it lasted. Too bad a certain dickhead had to be a rude prick and ruin the fun for EVERYONE. I thought you were an alright guy when I first started reading your posts but you've proven yourself to be an unreasonable prick. We don't need anymore of those around here.

[nilloC]

I feel it is stupid to let this minor issue **** up the current DGNF alliance. Granted, you both are 2 of the 3 most powerful nations that were in our alliance.

Frankly, I don't care about that.

I just think it is ridiculous to let this drive a wedge between you two and hurt what is obviously just a fun game. I put my ass on the line and basically verbally assaulted that asshole last page, and nothing bad has come of my nation. Its just for fun. I would really, honetly like to see both Sunny and OneWiseJedi in our alliance still. But I understand if this cannot happen.

Either way, much love to you both. :p

[SunnyInc.]

I feel it is stupid to let this minor issue **** up the current DGNF alliance. Granted, you both are 2 of the 3 most powerful nations that were in our alliance.

Frankly, I don't care about that.

I just think it is ridiculous to let this drive a wedge between you two and hurt what is obviously just a fun game. I put my ass on the line and basically verbally assaulted that asshole last page, and nothing bad has come of my nation. Its just for fun. I would really, honetly like to see both Sunny and OneWiseJedi in our alliance still. But I understand if this cannot happen.

Either way, much love to you both. :p

I wouldn't usually but I'm not the rude prick who started accussing another member of lying and making a big deal out of it. Much love though, Collin :p

[OneWiseJedi]

Sunny you have 3 more wars on the go as we speak, why? The only prick here is the one who thinks he can deceive me, I assure you thats not easily done. You only got a PM from doper after you tech raid him. Sunny I'm smarter than you in my sleep.

[Annihlator :D]

This is something I ask friends quite often. Can you guys shut the **** up? We dont really care about whether or not Sunny has the PM, its not a huge issue, and MOON seems to have left us alone.




Now, Happy Holdays!

[Nilsog]

I agree. Is this seriously worth it? Its a game. An Internet game at that. Lets forgive and forget and move on towards making our alliance stronger.

[Delta-4]

Yeah...I mean, come on. This is just for fun. Why turn it into an argument? I've seen so many people have a game ruined because of that. Myself included.
So, can we just go back to having fun with our nations and stop having to worry about people leaving because one of them looked at another the wrong way?

[nilloC]

I agree. Is this seriously worth it? Its a game. An Internet game at that. Lets forgive and forget and move on towards making our alliance stronger.

Way agree. We need to look to the future; it'll be fun.

I feel we need to have even amounts of strength. Here's what I'm willing to do.

On Wednesday I'm going through with a deal that will hopefully work out (Through Sunny) that should get me around $50,000. I'm willing to give $25,000 to some other nations that need it, preferably nations smaller than mine. The USSRawr (Mine) is doing really pretty well right now, I'm just buying a ton of infrastructure.

One thing however: if I give money to a country I want them to spend nearly all of it on infrastructure, as that's the most important thing you can buy as a smaller country (In my opinion).

I'll divide the $25,000 up however many ways, so if 5 people want money I can give $5,000 a piece. So let me know if you're smaller than USSRawr and want money, and I'll do my best to make sure it gets to you on the 12th.

[menwearpink135]

Lol this thread is hillarious tbh. And I will probley get in trouble for doing this but anyway.

1. You should probley make a seperate fourm for the alliance where you can have a private section so other alliances cannot see everything yall talk about.

2. I advise you to comply with us and not curse out Overlord Shinnra, because he happens to be one of the MOON government members.

3. The more stubborn you are, the harder the situation gets, and if worse comes to worse, I'm sure our little nations would like some target practice :yummy:. I would not want it to come to that, but do you get where I am going with this?

4. The reason we protected that member is because he applied to our alliance, and we noticed that the wars that were declared on him were all defensive on his part.

We would love to help you guys out, it is just you guys are making it harder than it really is. Plus I will probley have to edit this out but, thats my rant for the day

Nice to meet you all :wave:,
menwearpink135

[Annihlator :D]

what do you want us to do, say we're sorry? I pretty sure we did that already.

[Nilsog]

what do you want us to do, say we're sorry? I pretty sure we did that already.
Indeed. From one of the nations that has not yet warred, I apologize on the behalf of our alliance and in the name of peace and diplomacy.

Now, you were saying you would like to help us out? In what manner?

[Statalyzer]

I have followed the whole story. He was not accountable for damages inflicted upon doper and we completely understood that. All we wanted was peace.

What you just said is not true. You guys did demand that we be accountable for damages. If you wanted only peace, why did Doper reject it?

Then you guys decided to be cocky and lie about a couple things

Name one thing - one thing - that we lied about.

You guys are acting verbally aggressive towards us... so we should kick your ass? Nice logic.

That's not the logic AT ALL. Doper told Sunny that he was planning to attack him. Sunny had two choices. He could sit around and risk getting into a bankrupting arms-race and let Doper build up a large army and gain the advantage, or he could attack Doper right away while he had the advantage.

The best part is that everybody believes Sunny so therefore that makes it true.

How is that any different than you disbelieve Sunny so therefore it makes it false?

. The reason we protected that member is because he applied to our alliance

So someone just has to say "Let me join you", and you'll threaten anyway who had already attacked him even before he asked to join?

We would love to help you guys out

You can state that, but I've seen no evidence of it; actions speak louder than words.

[menwearpink135]

. The reason we protected that member is because he applied to our alliance

So someone just has to say "Let me join you", and you'll threaten anyway who had already attacked him even before he asked to join?

If the wars he is in were defensive and they aggressor does not comply, yes.


Quote:
We would love to help you guys out


You can state that, but I've seen no evidence of it; actions speak louder than words.


Well if you complied then im sure we would.
And like I said, you can start by making our own fourms and IRC channel. It makes you seem more professional

[Annihlator :D]

Well if you complied then im sure we would.
And like I said, you can start by making our own fourms and IRC channel. It makes you seem more professional

1. Most of us are here to have fun, not be professional, as has been stated earlier.

2. How could we comply? If by "comply" you mean "give us a lot of money or else" then, no we wont comply. But if you mean "lets forget this, as it does not matter" then yes, I'm sure we'll be happy to comply.

[nilloC]

And like I said, you can start by making our own fourms and IRC channel. It makes you seem more professional

But its just a game that takes no more than 5 or so minutes a day to pay your bills and collect taxes. I understand how it can take more than 5 minutes a day, but I believe these forums work just fine for us.

And who gives a rats ass if it makes us seem more professional?

[Chuckie]

Well spoken Collin...everybody take a friggin breath, its a game for crying out loud.

[menwearpink135]

lol just relized this whole thing was over. Sorry for pissing you guys off.

Wish the best of luck to yall in the future. You can contact me on IRC, MOON's fourms, or on the BBs if you need. Thanks,
menwearpink135

[Annihlator :D]

lol just relized this whole thing was over. Sorry for pissing you guys off.

Wish the best of luck to yall in the future. You can contact me on IRC, MOON's fourms, or on the BBs if you need. Thanks,
menwearpink135

Thank you, no hard feelings I hope, eh? ;)

[LeroyJenkems]

Good day,
First, I would like to just state that this will be my one and only post on these fine forums.

Second, I do not want to open up an old wound but I feel the need to defend myself on some of the accusations that have been made in this thread about myself.

I am the Horrible, horrible leader of the nation Fruit of the Crack (aka: Doper in this thread).

From my side I will explain how this thing occurred and No, I don’t expect you to believe me, but Sunny and I both know it happened this way.

On one particular day I received a trade offer from Sunny (it is possible that I may have sent the offer, either way it does not matter). Since I was only about 2 days old, I accepted (or had my offer accepted) and we were trading partners. :color3:

The next day I logged on and found that Sunny had cancelled on me. So, I sent him a message asking why he had cancelled. His reply was that it was a temporary trade. I replied to him thanking hem for letting me know that in the beginning, and also thanked him for screwing me over like that. At this point, I assumed our relationship was over.

Later in the day, I checked in on my nation again and found that I was in anarchy and had been declared on by Sunny for the reason of Forward Defense something or other. He had done a ground attack and then offered peace within 2 minutes of each other. IIRC he gave me about 10 minutes and ran a second ground attack, then immediately offered peace again. I sent him a message asking why he had declared war on me. His reply was "I don't like you and I can use the tech". We did have an exchange of PM's at that point as he was evidently online at the time.

During that exchange one of the last messages I sent him was and I quote as it has already been posted somewhere above “Get ready to get your ass handed to you Sunshine". However, this was after he had already declared and attacked me. About this time was when I applied to Moon. I had actually created with the intent of applying to them, but meh, what can I say, I am a procrastinator to the bone. :doped: After this I decommed all my troops in an attempt to keep him from stealing any tech or destroying anymore infraz, and sent him a message that he cannot take what he cannot get at with ground attacks, and called it good enough.

I was a little disgusted about the whole thing, but whatever right it's a game. Moving on, I checked on later at some point and saw that Onewisesith had also declared on me, but had not attacked at all. I thought that was kind of weird.

Later the next day maybe I came on and there was a message from Onewisesith (I can provide screenshots from this point out) asking if I had tried to extort tech out of Sunny and to PM him back. I sent him a message stating that I had in no way threatened Sunny before he declared on me and passed on a short version of the above portion of my post. I was also updating my info in my application thread for MOON and had put a statement into one of my posts that Onewisesith had been working on the situation and that he was trying to help, so he should be left alone since he had not sent any attacks my way.

On 12-6 Sunny sent 2 cruise missiles my way which cancelled the last peace offer he had sent me. I had accepted the peace offer that Onewisewith had sent since he seemed to be on the up-and-up also. I also initially sent a peace offer to Sunny since I assumed everything was done, since I had received info from my government that the situation had been resolved and peace should be forthcoming. I did initially send Sunny a peace offer, but then a while later thought screw this, he declared and I'm not going to peace him until he peaces me first, so I then cancelled the offer. Sorry that he may have taken offense to that, but I had my own reasons.

Sometime on 12-7 I was sent a link to this thread and came in to see what was going on.

Here is what I see:

Wow, MOON is helping Doper to get away with this? I have nothing against MOON, but Doper is a moron.

Untrue, but again, I don’t expect you to take my word for it.


2) Doper has been lying through his teeth to try and win the support of you alliance over - that is fact.

4) I’ve offered Doper peace on several occasions and he did not comply. This indicated to me that he intended on metering out revenge so I continued to attack him with the support of my allies in the hope that we'd render him incapable of responding. Now that he has become an official member of your alliance Tator has forced him to sign a treaty with me.

6) Our alliance is a peaceful alliance and does not attack unless provoked. Doper provoked a member of our alliance and was dealt with accordingly. Again, I must emphasize that he was NOT a member of MOON at the time.

I'm sure you can empathize with our position. Doper instigated this war and my allies supported me. I'm sure - as a reasonable human being - you can understand MY position.

To number one: again false.

To number 4: Partially true. Problem is you offered peace and then within a very short time attacked and in doing so auto-cancelled the peace offer. Tator DID NOT force me to do anything as far as peace went. He left that up to me as a rational person to decide on my own.

To number 6: False, there was not any aggression on my part other than thanking him for screwing me on the trade before he declared war.

I did not instigate any war with Sunny and never expected one.

[quote=Statalyzer;367646]Doper was not in an Alliance when Sunny declared war. After Sunny declared war and got OneWiseJedi to support him, Doper quickly applied for MOON b/c he realized Sunny had called his bluff and wanted protection. He happened to do this before OneWiseJedi had logged on again to declare war, so suddenly "OneWiseJedi declared war on a MOON Applicant" - which is purely an artifact of the game system because it's not real-time. BOTH Sunny and OneWiseJedi agreed to attack Doper at a time when Doper was not a member or applicant of anywhere. Sunny just got his attack in faster.

I've been negotiating with the Wellesley Union of MOON. Every stay calm and things will be okay, but nobody had better undermine this diplomatic effort.



Doper wasn't exactly a soft, juicy target. It looks like that now because as a result of the war Sunny has gotten stronger and Doper has gotten weaker.

I agree with Sunny that nobody in DGNF should be attacking anybody for the time being - even the 10-day inactives that would usually be alright to go after.

To the first paragraph, I was not a Moon Applicant when Sunny declared on me that is true; However, I was when Onewisesith declared, as I had immediately applied to moon after I discovered Sunny had declared on me. I don't hold anything agains Onewisesith for this. I would expect any alliance to back up a member, but in the case of a senator who should have a large amount of knowledge of the game, he should know that you should keep all evidence. I do have to add one caveat here, I am new and had no idea I should keep any evidence for anything. As soon as I understood I began keeping things.

To the second, I was a soft target. I had a whole 200 troops and no tanks or anything to defend. I also find it hard to believe that anyone would think that a smaller nation would EVER try and extort a larger nation for tech. Whatever, even new people have no idea that it is an option and if they did, I'm quite sure that they would understand that it was not in their best interest to attack a larger nation without some kind of backup.

No we didn't. Doper sent me a peace offer and cancelled it an hour later. I might like to add that I offered Doper peace on several occasions before MOON became involved. I've sent Doper another peace offer that has been pending for almost half a day now...

The first part of this is addressed above. Sorry I don't log on every 5 minutes to watch for your peace offer. Real life takes precedence unfortunately. And really who cares if it is half day or 9 days?

[quote=SunnyInc.;367706]My peace offer is still on the table Overlord. It has been all along. CN PM me to negotiate the terms.[quote]

No, No it wasn't. At least not until the third time you had offered.

[quote=Statalyzer;367928]What you just said is not true. You guys did demand that we be accountable for damages. If you wanted only peace, why did Doper reject it?


That's not the logic AT ALL. Doper told Sunny that he was planning to attack him. Sunny had two choices. He could sit around and risk getting into a bankrupting arms-race and let Doper build up a large army and gain the advantage, or he could attack Doper right away while he had the advantage.[quote]

I did not reject anything that was offered. I only cancelled what I had offered for my own reasons, much unlike my counterpart Sunny. He auto-cancelled his peace offers by attacking me 2 times.

I made no such comment to Sunny telling him I was going to attack him; I only replied to him after I was attacked, again I don't expect you to believe me.


Finally in conclusion. I would like to point out that it would appear that sunny is a tech raider at heart and as far as I am concerned that is fine. I just think that he needs to have a little more sense when it comes to how he does thing. I know I would not want someone like him in a senate position if he has caused drama before, which I can gather he has. I am not really here to be critical of your decision making process as an alliance, but I did feel the need to defend MYSELF as to some of the mud that has been slung my way by Sunny and others who have no idea what actually occurred. Like they say, every story has 2 sides, I agree and am thankful of that. If everyone saw the world and everything that happens the same exact way, there would never be any change and there would be no one that would look at circumstances in a critical way, and that would suck.

I feel bad that this has been such a drama bomb in your young alliance and I hope that this is all finished from here on out.

If anyone would like to reply to any of this, I would like to let you know that I will never visit this forum again and you can send me a pm on CN, just search my nation name DOPER which you all know by now.

Thanks, and sorry about this possibly being TL;DR because it is so long.

Edit: I would like to add that I dont expect reps, but the damage caused really pissed me off to be honest, as I am sure it would anyone.

[SunnyInc.]

Good day,
First, I would like to just state that this will be my one and only post on these fine forums.

Second, I do not want to open up an old wound but I feel the need to defend myself on some of the accusations that have been made in this thread about myself.

I am the Horrible, horrible leader of the nation Fruit of the Crack (aka: Doper in this thread).

From my side I will explain how this thing occurred and No, I don’t expect you to believe me, but Sunny and I both know it happened this way.

On one particular day I received a trade offer from Sunny (it is possible that I may have sent the offer, either way it does not matter). Since I was only about 2 days old, I accepted (or had my offer accepted) and we were trading partners. :color3:

The next day I logged on and found that Sunny had cancelled on me. So, I sent him a message asking why he had cancelled. His reply was that it was a temporary trade. I replied to him thanking hem for letting me know that in the beginning, and also thanked him for screwing me over like that. At this point, I assumed our relationship was over.

Later in the day, I checked in on my nation again and found that I was in anarchy and had been declared on by Sunny for the reason of Forward Defense something or other. He had done a ground attack and then offered peace within 2 minutes of each other. IIRC he gave me about 10 minutes and ran a second ground attack, then immediately offered peace again. I sent him a message asking why he had declared war on me. His reply was "I don't like you and I can use the tech". We did have an exchange of PM's at that point as he was evidently online at the time.

During that exchange one of the last messages I sent him was and I quote as it has already been posted somewhere above “Get ready to get your ass handed to you Sunshine". However, this was after he had already declared and attacked me. About this time was when I applied to Moon. I had actually created with the intent of applying to them, but meh, what can I say, I am a procrastinator to the bone. :doped: After this I decommed all my troops in an attempt to keep him from stealing any tech or destroying anymore infraz, and sent him a message that he cannot take what he cannot get at with ground attacks, and called it good enough.

I was a little disgusted about the whole thing, but whatever right it's a game. Moving on, I checked on later at some point and saw that Onewisesith had also declared on me, but had not attacked at all. I thought that was kind of weird.

Later the next day maybe I came on and there was a message from Onewisesith (I can provide screenshots from this point out) asking if I had tried to extort tech out of Sunny and to PM him back. I sent him a message stating that I had in no way threatened Sunny before he declared on me and passed on a short version of the above portion of my post. I was also updating my info in my application thread for MOON and had put a statement into one of my posts that Onewisesith had been working on the situation and that he was trying to help, so he should be left alone since he had not sent any attacks my way.

On 12-6 Sunny sent 2 cruise missiles my way which cancelled the last peace offer he had sent me. I had accepted the peace offer that Onewisewith had sent since he seemed to be on the up-and-up also. I also initially sent a peace offer to Sunny since I assumed everything was done, since I had received info from my government that the situation had been resolved and peace should be forthcoming. I did initially send Sunny a peace offer, but then a while later thought screw this, he declared and I'm not going to peace him until he peaces me first, so I then cancelled the offer. Sorry that he may have taken offense to that, but I had my own reasons.

Sometime on 12-7 I was sent a link to this thread and came in to see what was going on.

Here is what I see:



Untrue, but again, I don’t expect you to take my word for it.

[quote=SunnyInc.;367608]
2) Doper has been lying through his teeth to try and win the support of you alliance over - that is fact.

4) I’ve offered Doper peace on several occasions and he did not comply. This indicated to me that he intended on metering out revenge so I continued to attack him with the support of my allies in the hope that we'd render him incapable of responding. Now that he has become an official member of your alliance Tator has forced him to sign a treaty with me.

6) Our alliance is a peaceful alliance and does not attack unless provoked. Doper provoked a member of our alliance and was dealt with accordingly. Again, I must emphasize that he was NOT a member of MOON at the time.

I'm sure you can empathize with our position. Doper instigated this war and my allies supported me. I'm sure - as a reasonable human being - you can understand MY position.

To number one: again false.

To number 4: Partially true. Problem is you offered peace and then within a very short time attacked and in doing so auto-cancelled the peace offer. Tator DID NOT force me to do anything as far as peace went. He left that up to me as a rational person to decide on my own.

To number 6: False, there was not any aggression on my part other than thanking him for screwing me on the trade before he declared war.

I did not instigate any war with Sunny and never expected one.



To the first paragraph, I was not a Moon Applicant when Sunny declared on me that is true; However, I was when Onewisesith declared, as I had immediately applied to moon after I discovered Sunny had declared on me. I don't hold anything agains Onewisesith for this. I would expect any alliance to back up a member, but in the case of a senator who should have a large amount of knowledge of the game, he should know that you should keep all evidence. I do have to add one caveat here, I am new and had no idea I should keep any evidence for anything. As soon as I understood I began keeping things.

To the second, I was a soft target. I had a whole 200 troops and no tanks or anything to defend. I also find it hard to believe that anyone would think that a smaller nation would EVER try and extort a larger nation for tech. Whatever, even new people have no idea that it is an option and if they did, I'm quite sure that they would understand that it was not in their best interest to attack a larger nation without some kind of backup.



The first part of this is addressed above. Sorry I don't log on every 5 minutes to watch for your peace offer. Real life takes precedence unfortunately. And really who cares if it is half day or 9 days?

[quote=SunnyInc.;367706]My peace offer is still on the table Overlord. It has been all along. CN PM me to negotiate the terms.[quote]

No, No it wasn't. At least not until the third time you had offered.

[quote=Statalyzer;367928]What you just said is not true. You guys did demand that we be accountable for damages. If you wanted only peace, why did Doper reject it?


That's not the logic AT ALL. Doper told Sunny that he was planning to attack him. Sunny had two choices. He could sit around and risk getting into a bankrupting arms-race and let Doper build up a large army and gain the advantage, or he could attack Doper right away while he had the advantage.[quote]

I did not reject anything that was offered. I only cancelled what I had offered for my own reasons, much unlike my counterpart Sunny. He auto-cancelled his peace offers by attacking me 2 times.

I made no such comment to Sunny telling him I was going to attack him; I only replied to him after I was attacked, again I don't expect you to believe me.


Finally in conclusion. I would like to point out that it would appear that sunny is a tech raider at heart and as far as I am concerned that is fine. I just think that he needs to have a little more sense when it comes to how he does thing. I know I would not want someone like him in a senate position if he has caused drama before, which I can gather he has. I am not really here to be critical of your decision making process as an alliance, but I did feel the need to defend MYSELF as to some of the mud that has been slung my way by Sunny and others who have no idea what actually occurred. Like they say, every story has 2 sides, I agree and am thankful of that. If everyone saw the world and everything that happens the same exact way, there would never be any change and there would be no one that would look at circumstances in a critical way, and that would suck.

I feel bad that this has been such a drama bomb in your young alliance and I hope that this is all finished from here on out.

If anyone would like to reply to any of this, I would like to let you know that I will never visit this forum again and you can send me a pm on CN, just search my nation name DOPER which you all know by now.

Thanks, and sorry about this possibly being TL;DR because it is so long.

Edit: I would like to add that I dont expect reps, but the damage caused really pissed me off to be honest, as I am sure it would anyone.

The best part is he's confided to me that he is a seasoned CN verteran and that I don't know what I'm dealing with yet he doesn't keep his PM's to evidence his distorted version of the truth. You started sending me abusive PM's before I declared war on you, buddy. You also sent the PM I quoted in my application for war before I declared war. OneWiseSith has misled you by saying I was defending against a tech raid, I wasn't, I was defending against a rage-attack. By the same token I wasn't in it for the tech, I'm a tech trader and acquiring over 50 tech inflates my tech prices for the next deal.

P.S. I bet he'll read this.

[Statalyzer]

I'm a tech trader and acquiring over 50 tech inflates my tech prices for the next deal.

This is important. We all know Sunny is making as many tech trade deals as his foreign aid slots will allow and he's stated before that he doesn't want to gain more tech.

In fact he told me over IM something like "I wish I hadn't have felt it necessary to attack Doper, I don't want to gain any Tech from this."

[Delta-4]

Now, I'm not trying to change the subject here, I just feel the need to speak up about this.

I've seen a noticable rise in global radiation and a ridiculous amount of nuclear strikes on the news, so I've been thinking maybe we should speak out about this or at least have the Senate decide on us being an entirely non-nuclear organization outside of M.A.D.
I'm really concerned about my nation's environment since it's already in the toilet. Any worse and people will be fleeing from my country in hordes. :looklive:

Anyone else concerned about this?

[Statalyzer]

Unfortunately I don't think there is anything we can do about it. Anyone anywhere on the planet launching a nuke affects the global radiation, and since people are playing with cyberpopulation and not real cities, a lot of the bigger nations don't hesitate to fire off the hydrogen bombs when they get into war.

[Nod Fanatic]

The best part is he's confided to me that he is a seasoned CN verteran and that I don't know what I'm dealing with yet he doesn't keep his PM's to evidence his distorted version of the truth. You started sending me abusive PM's before I declared war on you, buddy. You also sent the PM I quoted in my application for war before I declared war. OneWiseSith has misled you by saying I was defending against a tech raid, I wasn't, I was defending against a rage-attack. By the same token I wasn't in it for the tech, I'm a tech trader and acquiring over 50 tech inflates my tech prices for the next deal.

P.S. I bet he'll read this.
Yeah, but without any PMs as proof from either sides, you by default are the one who looks the guiltiest because you declared war. Senate, I think we should make it a rule that important PMs should be kept as proof for situations such as this. Does anyone else support this movement?

[Nilsog]

I second that motion.

[SgtRicko]

On Wednesday I'm going through with a deal that will hopefully work out (Through Sunny) that should get me around $50,000. I'm willing to give $25,000 to some other nations that need it, preferably nations smaller than mine. The USSRawr (Mine) is doing really pretty well right now, I'm just buying a ton of infrastructure.

One thing however: if I give money to a country I want them to spend nearly all of it on infrastructure, as that's the most important thing you can buy as a smaller country (In my opinion).

I'll divide the $25,000 up however many ways, so if 5 people want money I can give $5,000 a piece. So let me know if you're smaller than USSRawr and want money, and I'll do my best to make sure it gets to you on the 12th.

I could really use that cash, because currently I am the lowest ranking member of the alliance, and I barely have any valuable materials or a good treasury (save for uranium, but I'm trading for even that).

[nilloC]

I could really use that cash, because currently I am the lowest ranking member of the alliance, and I barely have any valuable materials or a good treasury (save for uranium, but I'm trading for even that).

Noted! I'll definitely send you cash then.

Anyone else want in on a split of $25K? That is, if the deal with Sunny and Member XXX goes through tomorrow night. :p

[Nilsog]

I'll take a chunk if you don't mind, could always use a little coin!

[nilloC]

I'll take a chunk if you don't mind, could always use a little coin!

Most certainly! The split is $12,500 for two people right now. I'll allow a maximum of 5, that way everyone gets a minimum of at least $5,000. If that sounds fair? I doubt 5 people will even see this. :p

PS: If 2 or more people ask for money we'll have to figure out a system where I can send $12,500 to two people, then those two people split the money in half and send it to another person; as all my foreign aid slots will be full.

[Fulcrum]

I would take a share but I just realised I am now the second most powerful nation.

[Chuckie]

Just had to throw that out there...didn't ya? :p

[Zancloufer27]

I could really use that cash, because currently I am the lowest ranking member of the alliance, and I barely have any valuable materials or a good treasury (save for uranium, but I'm trading for even that).

Make sure your country wants to use Nuclear power. THat will give you a +$3 per person, + $0.15 per level of tech, up to 30 tech.

On a Side note, After I do my Infrastructure jump, I'm willing gto help some weaker members of DGNF (I'm in a diff alliance though =o)

[nilloC]

So who here plays under the name "Evleya"? Just curious, so I know who I'll be donating money to. Evleya isn't in the DGNF Alliance, but called me "nilloC" on several occassions so I'm guessssssssing it might be a member of these forums?

[Alpha and Omega]

Hmm, war was declared on me, I was attacked, and then a peace offer because he meant to attack someone else. I just got online to find this out, and the person who attacked me, doesn't exist, he's not in the game anymore. :|

[OneWiseJedi]

I found this useful to choose government.


Set your government position to what will benefit you the most which is explained below. Do this immediately to improve your nation easily.

Choosing the correct government type gives you a +1 happiness bonus, but in most cases you will choose monarchy except a few that are listed below. The +1 happiness comes with choosing the correct government and is not included in the bonuses unless and extra happiness bonus on top of the +1 comes with the government type.

Anarchy
Anarchy is the government type you never want to have. Your people never want it. It usually happens because of too few soldiers, too many soldiers, or because a country being defeated in a war.
Bonuses: No bonus

Capitalist
They desire a government that will invest heavily in business ventures.
Bonuses: -5% infrastructure costs, +5% land area

Communist
They desire a government that supports common ownership of all national possessions.
Bonuses: -0.4 happiness, +5% land area, +8% soldiers

Democracy
They desire a government that makes decisions based on fair elective processes.
Bonuses: +1 happiness, +8% soldiers

Dictatorship
They desire a supreme ruler who is in charge of all national matters.
Bonuses: -0.8 happiness, +8% soldiers, -5% infrastructure costs

Federal Government
They desire a government of strong central powers that will preside over issues such as national defense, disaster relief, and foreign affairs.
Bonuses: +8% soldiers, -5% infrastructure costs, -0.4 happiness

Monarchy
They wish to be ruled by a royal family.
Bonuses: +1 happiness, -5% infrastructure costs

Republic
They wish to be ruled by the people themselves and more specifically do not want to be ruled by a royal family.
Bonuses: +5% land area, -5% infrastructure costs

Revolutionary Government
They desire a government that is based on radical change.
Bonuses: +.2 happiness, -5% infrastructure costs,

Totalitarian State
They desire a government that exercises total control over its subjects.
Bonuses - +.6 happiness, +5% land area

Transitional
They do not desire a permanent government but instead prefer something more temporary.
Bonuses - -0.4 happiness, +5% land area, +8% soldiers

Here is what you choose:

Capitalist, choose Capitalist
Communism, choose Monarchy
Democracy, choose Monarchy or Democracy (Democracy is +1 happiness and Monarchy is -5 infrastructure –choose which one helps you the most)
Dictatorship, choose Monarchy
Federal Government, choose Monarchy
Monarchy, choose Monarchy
Republic, choose Republic
Revolutionary Government, choose Revolutionary Government
Totalitarian State, choose Monarchy or Totalitarian State (Monarchy gives -5 infrastructure cost and Totalitarian State gives +.6 happiness – choose what helps you the most)
Transitional, choose Monarchy

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For the subtractions of happiness in fractions, this is because of environment loss. For every point of environment that is lost, 0.4 happiness is lost. Even though environment is lost, the number I wrote may be in the positives because of a +1 happiness that could have came with that government type.

Note: You cannot change government type until 5 days after you last changed it. One trick if you are doing improvement swapping and your people want Democracy (or Totalitarianism) is to be in Monarchy to buy infra, then change to Demoracy to collect income.
I had a Transitional government as what my people wanted. I switched to monarchy, helps environment too.

[Statalyzer]

So who here plays under the name "Evleya"? Just curious, so I know who I'll be donating money to. Evleya isn't in the DGNF Alliance, but called me "nilloC" on several occassions so I'm guessssssssing it might be a member of these forums?

Evleya is in our Alliance now, but I still don't know who it is.

[Delta-4]

Right, I'm not so sure we should attack the inactive members even after the whole Sunny/Doper issue blows over because I just recieved this message:
A very pissed off CyberNations player by the name of condera:
HEY WTH IS YOUR PROBLEM LOOK PALL IF YOU DO THAT AGIN YOUR ASS IS MINE OK DONT EVER ATTACK ME AGIN GOT IT OR YOUR ASS IS GRASS AND IM THE LAWN MOWWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!But, really, with his military size at 4 soldiers compared to my 266... :lol:

[Statalyzer]

Yeah I got a PM from him too. He should just not wait to check up on his country only ever 20 days.

[SunnyInc.]

The guy who I've been doing tech deals with just happens to be one of the top ranking nations in the New Pacific Order. He has offered me membership in The Order so I'm almost certain that my pending application will be approved. Even though I've changed alliances, I still intend to include DGNF members in my tech deals and help them out when they need it.

Edit: I see Chuckie has made his twenty dollar donation and is now the strongest member of the DGNF alliance. That can't be a bad thing.

[Chuckie]

Thanks Bud...this game is just now starting to get fun :D

[OneWiseJedi]

If you press ctrl A while viewing your nation with the cursor in a cell you will get an exact happiness and environment number.

[Delta-4]

Or you could just highlight the white text next to the icon without having to select everything. :p

[Statalyzer]

Nilsog, what's your relationship with the nation Gallente? It's flagged as a potential abuse. Did you and him share the same IP address or something?

[Nilsog]

Yeah, when I first made my CN account I was at his house using his wireless. I had him make a nation as well, and we attempted to trade. I sent him some aid a couple days ago using my home computer.

[Statalyzer]

Watch out, CN has draconian rules on IP sharing. Read them carefully.

[OneWiseJedi]

It would be nice to have an alliance over 20 people. Please join if you have not it only takes a few minutes a day.

[Statalyzer]

And tell us who you are too. I still don't know who this Duchy of Sarjawhatever is that joined us.

[OneWiseJedi]

I will send you 3 million dollars. Buy up to 50 tech and then spend 1.5 million dollars on infrastructure. (plus soldiers for your new people) Buy a harbor when you get 1000 new people and then buy a factory every time you hit 1000 people after that. This will greatly increase how much infra you can buy. Make sure you save 750,000!

After you spend your 1.5 million and have bought your tech then wait 10 days. This is because you are only allowed to trade with a nation once every 10 days.

After 10 days send me your 50 tech. (Just click on "aid" at the top of my nation display then type in "50" where it says tech." After I accept your tech then buy back up to 50 technology.

Ten days after that send me another 50 tech.



This is one of the 2 tech deals I have been doing. This deal only takes up 1 slot. However this deal takes trust. If a lower ranking member of the forum is interested in a deal such as this let me know. You must remember not to spend all the money and save 750k. I have the money but not a slot open to send it to bail you out. You must not burn the trader for in turn you burn me too & thats not a good thing. This is a great way to build your nation and it takes no time.