Texas man kills 2

[OneWiseJedi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA__Shw5x90&NR=1 What do you think the outcome of this should be?

[Star Wars Man]

As quoted by Ron White, regarding the Texas dealt penalty:

"Many states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My states putting it on the express lane."

[Chuckie]

What a crock, I would've done the same thing without a second thought. If he wouldn't of killed them he would have been in a lot more trouble than he is now. Every single cop I know has told me repeatedly, If you use deadly force, make damn sure its deadly. Empty the damn gun and there won't be anyone around to dispute you, assuming its a leagle shoot.
With crime the way it is in Houston I promise you he will walk.

[nilloC]

I'm not really well acquanted with Texas laws...

But he killed two men when he wasn't directly defending himself, right?

I feel that's murder. I understand why he was protecting his neighbor's property... But is it worth the lives of 2 people?

Yes, I understand and know some people will think that the 2 robbers were scum bags, and I agree. But still. Kind of extreme. Plus, where to draw the line?

[KrasnyOktyabr]

He did the right thing. Let him walk.

[MercZ]

I personally don't think the man didn't do anything to give him a death sentence. Most I'd give him is 10 years though, he was just an old vigilante, I don't think he really had a desire to get some death, just his own sense of justice. I would've just incapacitated them. Killing two robbers went too far.

But I think in his situation he will probably get some sort of punishment, but nothing too harsh.

[Alpha and Omega]

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Not 2 lives for a DVD player and some silverwear. If they had come into his house, fine, kill 'em. Don't shoot people on your neighbors front lawn, legally it's not your business.

Take pictures of their faces to help the police, scratch down plate numbers on their car, better yet, shoot out their tires. You don't have to kill someone.

[eLDiablo]

The 2 guys certainly got what they deserved, scum who steal thing that other people worked hard for don't deserve to live.

But the guy left his house to shoot them, he wasn't in danger, and regardless of how friendly he was with his neighbor it really wasn't his business. he could have done a slew of things that would help the police and take the burglars down quickly, and im sure his neighbor had insurance.

[Thumper]

diablo, he mighta been in danger if they saw him watching, on the phone.

but no he should not have killed them. i admit they were prolly worthless thieving monkeys but they still had thier life to do some good with it. he coulda just said "scat! get outa heeya naw!" and they woulda ran and he would have prevented at least the major part of the theft. if they woulda tried to pull thier own guns, he shoulda shot them only then.

im a pizza delivery driver currently, if i got robbed here are the steps i would take...
-look for a weapon, if the guy dont have a weapon, ask him to present one. the only acceptable weapons are blades and guns.
-if no weapon is presented, run or beat this guy down. if there is more than one, just run.
-if weapon is present, hand your **** over.

[MercZ]

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Take pictures of their faces to help the police, scratch down plate numbers on their car, better yet, shoot out their tires. You don't have to kill someone.

Exactly. If the guy's life was in no danger, he had no business killing them over some stolen goods. Life is not something to be extinguished on a whim with things like this.

The issue is that Texas only allows for you defend your property and yourself from harm in the 9.4 Penal Codes, and 9.2 in particular relates to using lethal force during trespassing. Those guys were across the street and weren't on his property. While the men were doing something wrong, I don't feel that it is right to kill men over this. I would've just incapacitated them in my situation, not kill them. This was wasn't started because of minorities, this is just another case of vigilante justice against law enforcement, and where to draw the line.

The 911 guy warned the guy. It doesn't matter how he did it, but he specifically told him two times before hand. I don't know about you, but I'm usually kind to my elders and the people I used to help at the Rehab center, and I try to explain things in a way that won't offend them or make it seem I'm against them.


"I've got a shotgun," Horn said, according to a tape of the 911 call. "Do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that - ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?" the dispatcher responded. "Stay inside the house and don’t go out there, OK?" the dispatcher said. "I know you're pissed off, I know what you're feeling, but it's not worth shooting somebody over this, OK?"Now the 911 operator could've said "Don't do that, or we'll arrest you" out right, but that would've just enraged the old man into doing it more, probably from his devotion to justice and possibly his perception of the decaying morals of the states.

He didn't listen to the warnings, and decided to take it into his own hands. The cops would've come, we can't blame them for not being there since it's a suburb, and the cops can't go to a place instantly. Pasadena, Texas is like my place, Plano (also in Texas), in size, and the police can't get to a place within two minutes most time, unfortunately.

In this case, he is going to get punished. He's going to have a lot of public support since he didn't do anything wrong in a more morality-based viewpoint. But he was not within any legal right to commit murder. I'd personally just throw the murder charges out considering the man's old age and that he is harmless in all regards to the populace. I still think what he did was wrong and he was in no place to do it, but I don't want to see him get jailed for it.

[KÖNIGSTIGER]

Well a man came on the six o'clock news
Said somebody's been shot, somebody's been abused
Somebody blew up a building, somebody stole a car
Somebody got away, somebody didn't get too far
Yeah, they didn't get too far...

Grandpappy told my pappy 'Back in my day, son, a man had to pay for the wicked that he done.
Take all the rope in Texas, find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys and hang 'em high in the street for all the people to see.'

That justice is the one thing you should always find
You've got to saddle up your horse, you've got to draw a hard line
When the gunsmoke settles we'll sing a victory tune
And we'll all meet back at the local saloon
We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces
Singing 'Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses!'

We got too many gangsters doin' dirty deeds,
Too much corruption and crime in the streets
It's time the long arm of the law put a few more in the ground
Send them all to their maker and he'll settle on down.
You can bet he'll settle down...

'Cause justice is the one thing you should always find.


That's all I got.

[hissingnewt]

Well, he technically did do something wrong, but he shouldn't get punished very much for it. He was defending a neighbor.

But, why do I keep seeing a lot of black people on the news who are pissed off about this? It's not a hate crime or something every single time a white guy shoots a black guy.

Also, as a side note, crime really started increasing here in Houston after Hurricane Katrina a few years ago.

[nilloC]

Well, he technically did do something wrong, but he shouldn't get punished very much for it. He was defending a neighbor.

He murdered two men. Would you still feel the same way if it was a black man that shot two white men? Since you brought race into it, I'll just carry on with it.

But, why do I keep seeing a lot of black people on the news who are pissed off about this? It's not a hate crime or something every single time a white guy shoots a black guy.

Do you think the white male who shot them would've reacted in the same way if it were white men stealing items from the house? I hate to be a 'race harlot' but I really doubt he would've shot. The fact that it will get passed off as manslaughter pisses me off even more. Why? The man knew if he shot the two men robbing it would likely be lethal. Especially since I heard at least 3 shots when I watched the video which had the actual phone call on it. Its a shame. Its murder, not manslaughter.

Also, as a side note, crime really started increasing here in Houston after Hurricane Katrina a few years ago.

We also got a lot more rain up north after Hurricane Katrina.

Ridiculous point, sir.

[Chuckie]

Hes right Collin, in the months after Katrina the crime rate in Houston sky rocketed directly due to all the "displaced" people from New Orleans. Hell, I couldn't even leave my house for two days afterwards because all the roads were blocked by out of gas cars and I couldn't find fuel. Thats one of the main reasons the crime rate in Houston is still so high.

[nilloC]

Hes right Collin, in the months after Katrina the crime rate in Houston sky rocketed directly due to all the "displaced" people from New Orleans. Hell, I couldn't even leave my house for two days afterwards because all the roads were blocked by out of gas cars and I couldn't find fuel. Thats one of the main reasons the crime rate in Houston is still so high.

I figured that is what he was getting at. The only thing I didn't really care for was the context in which he brought it up; right after he made a comment about "black people making a fuss over what occurred" in the original article.

I've never looked into the whole crime rate rising in Houston because of displaced people from New Orleans, but I'll take your word for it.

I just think its a tad ridiculous to make a comment about crime rates jumping up in Houston after a comment about black people "whining"; as if the crime rates were due entirely to black people and somehow that makes everything okay that this man shot two guys stealing stuff.

None the less I love you and thanks for bringing that Houston deal to light; the traffic had to be horrendous (as you said) :p

[MercZ]

The race issue arose with Quanell X's declaration that the cops ain't putting charges since the two offenders were minorities (they were from Columbia). They're just trying to get some fears going and to get whites to react harshly. Race shouldn't be an issue, imo.

The crime spike in Houston is from New Orleans since a lot of them were from East New Orleans, and that's a rough neighborhood. They continue their actions here, but I don't think that should be pinned on their race.

The real issue is that this has brought up vigilante justice again, and where to draw the line. I think the man wasn't acting out of hate, he just over-reacted. I just hope people don't let this be used as an excuse to shoot every robber over small material things. You can't be a pushover, but there's time for killing, but most of the time there's other options. Killing people over such petty things makes you no better than the robber, imo.

Now I support Horn and I doubt he'll be charged based on his age and intent. I just hope this won't happen again though.