When is Yuri going to return in Red Alert 3

[Soviet Commando]

I was just wondering when Yuri would show himself in RA3

[Daishi]

I was just wondering when Yuri would show himself in RA3
Assuming the YR Allied campaign is true, as soon as he annihilates his prison with a psychic wave or just gets busted out by loyal initiates. Assuming YR never happened and the Allied campaign is true, there's no way we'll know, but he'll probably show up. Wouldn't be RA2's successor if the Soviets didn't have some sort of psychic.

[Rowmen]

In the Ra3 The Soviets Use a Time Machine to Kill Albert Einstein. After coming back to the present they realize that they have a new enemy- Aka Japan. Still the allies are a enemy to the soviet but not as they did before the time machine. Meaning Yuri would had never been captured and still be free.

[Derek]

Hopefully, never.

[Avapodnaught]

Hopefully, never.
Maybe he could return but with different interests than "the mind" somehow from this time change

[Zardac the Great]

With Einstein dead and the Japanese Empire rising, Red Alert 2 likely never happened, as the Soviets were likely afraid to start a war with the Allies with Japan ready to pounce on them at a moment's notice.

As Yuri is likely a product of Soviet Mind Controll research, either he's waiting in the wings, or he never happened.

I hope he never returns, honestly.

[SgtRicko]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if he were to return. They just need to balance his faction more carefully, and make sure that he doesn't become too cheesy again.

[Daishi]

I'm hoping he shows up either as a minor campaign character, Soviet unit, or a Soviet sub-faction. (looking towards the expansion)

[SgtRicko]

I'm hoping he shows up either as a minor campaign character, Soviet unit, or a Soviet sub-faction. (looking towards the expansion)

Hey, now that's an idea!:chin:

[Rowmen]

Yea, the sub faction would be cool and Iraq wont be and the 1# chosen soviet side

[Statalyzer]

In the Ra3 The Soviets Use a Time Machine to Kill Albert Einstein. After coming back to the present they realize that they have a new enemy- Aka Japan.

In the RA the Allies use a time machine to kill Adolf Hitler. After coming back to the present they realize that they have a new enemy- Aka the USSR.

Recycled plot, anyone?

[Nullivex]

I agree but, it makes sense since Einstein caused a lot of problems. And for the record he killed Hitler not Stalin. Stalin was the problem after Hitler.

[LtMisha]

Nobody said he killed Stalin.

[Statalyzer]

I did, but then I edited my post and added a editing note at the bottom.

[Rowmen]

In the RA the Allies use a time machine to kill Adolf Hitler. After coming back to the present they realize that they have a new enemy- Aka the USSR.

Recycled plot, anyone?

Maybe they will realize the time machine does nothing but wreck things and add a few scenes where they figured its wrong to mess with time.

[Daishi]

I'm actually sick of the time travel, as most C&Cers probably are. But they needed a real excuse to make a new faction that actually stood a chance if they didn't want to make them terrorists or aliens, and there we go: time travel.

[Rowmen]

I'm actually sick of the time travel, as most C&Cers probably are. But they needed a real excuse to make a new faction that actually stood a chance if they didn't want to make them terrorists or aliens, and there we go: time travel.

But the creators and story line and Concept of Red alert was based on Time Travel. If it weren't for time travel the soviets would have never been any better then they were in WW2. Its all about Time Travel it would be kinda unthinkable not to include such a thing. The whole Red alert universe is based on it. Its a alternative time line to ours with the soviets being a threat to the world.

[Miles]

I think, purely seen from the game developer's point of view, Yuri will not be in the main game as a solo antagonist. Because the game designers want to emphasize the Allies VS Soviets thing as it's the tradition in Red Alert games and since there already is a 3rd faction (Japan) I really doubt Yuri would appear in the main game. However it was already mentioned he would appear in an expansion pack. Not sure how though: as another enemy or as a part of the Soviets.

I wonder when the Soviets will erase Einstein. Imagine if they do it before Einstein went back in time to erase Hitler... it means WWII would take place like we know it :D
If they go back however before Einstein got involved in the Red Alert 2 storyline, ten it means the Soviets still invaded the US with mindcontrol technology, but that the Allies probably would lose because they have no prism nor chrono at that time. Hmmm... I'm curious to see

[starscream007]

As far as I know from what I have read, Yuri is supposed to be back in the already planned expansion for RA 3. Plus it all depends how far in time the Soviets go. In the Soviet campaign for RA 2 Yuri shows you a picture with him and Stalin so he was around in RA but probably just as a head scientist or something. Do they go back as far as RA or just go back to when they invaded the US in RA 2? Also another important detail is that the Soviet leadership decided to go back in time because of Allied forces closing in on the Kremlin. That could either be RA or RA 2, unless after Yuri was captured the Soviets decided to take a gamble and wage war against the Allies for a third time. Since after the treaty in London was signed the Allies took most of the brunt of the fight, leaving the Soviets to rebuild their military. It really depends what time frame RA 3 takes place in; after RA, RA 2 or YR.

[Soviet Commando]

it is rummored that Yuri will appear in the expansion for RA3

[Statalyzer]

In the Soviet campaign for RA 2 Yuri shows you a picture with him and Stalin so he was around in RA but probably just as a head scientist or something.

In real life, that picture was of Stalin and Lenin. It wasn't real - Stalin's propaganda guys had doctored the photo to take out (somebody) and put Stalin in, so it looked like the two of them were comrades.

So, by using that picture (only putting Yuri in place of Lenin), I think they are suggesing that Yuri's propaganda guys doctored the photo to make it look like he and Stalin were friends.

[Miles]

Hey imagine this: the Soviets work on a secret time machine to travel back in time to prevent Einstein from helping the Allies right? Now what if the Soviets based this time machine on the time machine that was used in San Francisco during the conflict with Yuri? Sounds quite plausible.

BUT

The Soviets base their time machine on Einstein's time machine used in San Francisco, go back in time, kill Einstein and thus he never invents the time machine in the first place since it's kinda hard to invent anything if you're dead. SO this leads to two things:

1) Einstein never invented the time machine so the Soviets could never make theirs SO their trapped in time. Because as soon as they erase Einstein, their time machine ceases to exist for said reason... or them going back in time wouldn't even be possible in the first place snice they can't invent the Time Machine without Einstein's, so obviously, since they can't invent the time machine, they also can't go back in time to kill Einstein and... ..... ........ wow my head hurts :)

2) Einstein never invented a time machine-->Allies/Soviets were never able to go back in time to prevent Yuri from activating his Psy-Dominator network--> The whole planet is under Yuri's control! ZOMG! This plot reminds me the plot of my YR campaign created ages ago (but never released to the public)

Okay I'm thinking way too far, but hey, it's fun to make up this crap :P
I can't wait for this game to come out!

[Quadhelix]

Hey imagine this: the Soviets work on a secret time machine to travel back in time to prevent Einstein from helping the Allies right? Now what if the Soviets based this time machine on the time machine that was used in San Francisco during the conflict with Yuri? Sounds quite plausible.

BUT

The Soviets base their time machine on Einstein's time machine used in San Francisco, go back in time, kill Einstein and thus he never invents the time machine in the first place since it's kinda hard to invent anything if you're dead. SO this leads to two things:

1) Einstein never invented the time machine so the Soviets could never make theirs SO their trapped in time. Because as soon as they erase Einstein, their time machine ceases to exist for said reason... or them going back in time wouldn't even be possible in the first place snice they can't invent the Time Machine without Einstein's, so obviously, since they can't invent the time machine, they also can't go back in time to kill Einstein and... ..... ........ wow my head hurts :)

2) Einstein never invented a time machine-->Allies/Soviets were never able to go back in time to prevent Yuri from activating his Psy-Dominator network--> The whole planet is under Yuri's control! ZOMG! This plot reminds me the plot of my YR campaign created ages ago (but never released to the public)

Okay I'm thinking way too far, but hey, it's fun to make up this crap :P
I can't wait for this game to come out! This is the Fridge Logic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic) that comes up in all stories in which somebody tries to change the past. Both the original Red Alert and Yuri's Revenge have this problem, but not as obviously.

In Red Alert, Einstein heads back in time and assassinates Adolf Hitler in order to prevent World War II and the Holocaust. Since Hitler died, World War II and the Holocaust never happened. The thing is, if Hitler was too busy being dead to cause World War II and the Holocaust, what reason does Einstein have to go back in time and kill him? Come to think of it, why would Einstein even care about somebody who wrote an antisemitic book and then died mysteriously?

Also, in Yuri's Revenge, you go back in time to stop Yuri. Because of your actions, the events that caused to go back in time never happened. But if they never happened, how can you still remember them?

[Rowmen]

I think ra3 will have a fixed time line and a good story to go with it, even tho some of your ideas are great.

[Derek]

God, there is so much mis-information in this thread. In one of the magazines it was stated that while Yuri will not be in RA3, he could still be in an expansion. IE, the door is still open. Now this has been misconstrued into "Yuri is rumored to be in the expansion" and "Yuri is going to be in the expansion".

[Thumper]

he left red alert, the timeline has been changed and now yuri has mind controlled some aliens and he is in control of traveler-59

[wkw427]

This is how I see it.

Red Alert was just that. Einetein changed time, soviets go crazy. It branches off into two time lines.
Soviet win: Jump to Tib Sun, Kane starts the Brotherhood after killing Stalin.
Allies: they win, **TIMELINE GOES WACKO, CHRONOSPHEAR UNINVENTED*

In RA2, the Allies time plot comes. The chronosphear doesn't exist yet, yada yada.
Now if Allies win, jump to YR plot. YR killed in last mission or jailed (I don't remember)
If sovies win, jump to YR soviet plot


I think RA3 will be a follow up from soviets. They are a superpower, rule world, but want to erase RA2 plot to save lives, but screw up

[Rowmen]

This is how I see it.

Red Alert was just that. Einetein changed time, soviets go crazy. It branches off into two time lines.
Soviet win: Jump to Tib Sun, Kane starts the Brotherhood after killing Stalin.
Allies: they win, **TIMELINE GOES WACKO, CHRONOSPHEAR UNINVENTED*

In RA2, the Allies time plot comes. The chronosphear doesn't exist yet, yada yada.
Now if Allies win, jump to YR plot. YR killed in last mission or jailed (I don't remember)
If sovies win, jump to YR soviet plot


I think RA3 will be a follow up from soviets. They are a superpower, rule world, but want to erase RA2 plot to save lives, but screw up

Red alert and Tib Sun arent related in anyway- The developer's stated that themselfs

[Miles]

Red alert and Tib Sun arent related in anyway- The developer's stated that themselfs

Correct, but I have to admit wkw's theory is interesting anyways :)
Except the part where Red Alert 2 Soviets win-->YR Soviet plot. That's incorrect: at the start of YR, the Allied plot of RA2 was canonical (Romanov is imprisoned in London in first cutscene) but the Soviets go back in time to not only prevent Yuri from finishing the Psy-Dominator network, but also to ensure Soviet victory in the war where Soviets invaded the US.

[Zardac the Great]

Not to mention, a Soviet victory sort of eliminates the possibility of the original C&C. Allies win. :p

That said, and on a totally different note, I think the most plausible idea is that they take out Einstein between Red Alert and Red Alert 2. Red Alert 2 then never happens, as the Soviets are afraid to initiate a war with the Allies with Japan looking to take them down the moment they think they can win.

Remember, the producers said that when the Soviets got back to their Home Time, "World War III" was under way. Red Alert 2 was WWIII, so RA3 can only be WWIII if Red Alert 2 didn't happen.

And it makes more sense that way.

[Rowmen]

Red alert 2 did happen for the people who used the time machine- Also we don't know the whole story and plot but we can say ra2 is still in the story of ra3 in a small way or more.

[SgtRicko]

This is the Fridge Logic (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic) that comes up in all stories in which somebody tries to change the past. Both the original Red Alert and Yuri's Revenge have this problem, but not as obviously.

In Red Alert, Einstein heads back in time and assassinates Adolf Hitler in order to prevent World War II and the Holocaust. Since Hitler died, World War II and the Holocaust never happened. The thing is, if Hitler was too busy being dead to cause World War II and the Holocaust, what reason does Einstein have to go back in time and kill him? Come to think of it, why would Einstein even care about somebody who wrote an antisemitic book and then died mysteriously?

Also, in Yuri's Revenge, you go back in time to stop Yuri. Because of your actions, the events that caused to go back in time never happened. But if they never happened, how can you still remember them?

It's pretty obvious that the Chronosphere makes one immune to the effects of a changed timeline, hence the reason why Einstein is still somewhat remorseful with the thought that he made history even worse by killing Hitler.

In fact, I have my own little pet theory that Einstein may be the only one in the entire RA universe (aside from his assistant) who knows what the original timeline was like. Thing is if that's the case, then why didn't he go back in time and tell his earlier self to destroy all his research on the Chronosphere to begin with in order to avoid an even worse timeline?

[Quadhelix]

Thing is if that's the case, then why didn't he go back in time and tell his earlier self to destroy all his research on the Chronosphere to begin with in order to avoid an even worse timeline? Assuming that the Chronosphere's time travel sends you only forward or backwards in time, Einstein would not be able to go back and prevent his research on the Chronosphere because it never happened: he already erased the timeline in which his time machine was developed, so going back and stopping himself from developing it would be impossible.

[wkw427]

Even if itn't offical, at the end of RA1 soviet, Kane tells you to hold the peace untill NOD is ready. Which is from then to tib sun, which is in the 90s.

[Zardac the Great]

Tiberian Sun is in like 2030. You mean the original Command and Conquer.

And a Soviet Union that conquered all of Europe would likely have never fallen. A Soviet Union that was "placeholding" for Nod would also have supported Nod during TWI, not joined GDI.

In short, as we see the beginnings of GDI in the Allied campaign, if RA was the prelude to C&C95 as it was meant to be, the Allies HAD to win.

[Statalyzer]

Even if itn't offical, at the end of RA1 soviet, Kane tells you to hold the peace untill NOD is ready.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't mention Nod there.

[Derek]

He does, but its just a cameo reference.

It's pretty obvious that the Chronosphere makes one immune to the effects of a changed timeline, hence the reason why Einstein is still somewhat remorseful with the thought that he made history even worse by killing Hitler.
I think its supposed to be only temporary immunity, then his timeline changes like everyone elses. Really though, the whole time-travel thing was supposed to be a one-off plot device to get the Red Alert series going, I don't think it was never supposed to be used again (especially not the way it was in YR).

[Zardac the Great]

If you're the one traveling through time, you're going to be outside the timeline, and thus "immune" to the effects of the time shift.

[Rowmen]

Why does it take time- To Time Travel- Id thought you would just appear in the destination instantly

[Statalyzer]

Why does it take time- To Time Travel- Id thought you would just appear in the destination instantly

Who says it does?

[dereseem]

reading all of this makes my head hurt....

[eLDiablo]

Then GTFO.

[Dracaveli]

Tiberian Sun is in like 2030. You mean the original Command and Conquer.

And a Soviet Union that conquered all of Europe would likely have never fallen. A Soviet Union that was "placeholding" for Nod would also have supported Nod during TWI, not joined GDI.

In short, as we see the beginnings of GDI in the Allied campaign, if RA was the prelude to C&C95 as it was meant to be, the Allies HAD to win.

A tease to a connection would flow well in Red 3 had they built off the moon mission in Yuri Revenge....have a left over by-product of yuri's forces become a new "faction" but were mainly android/robotic like units (due to lack of Oxygen) with a hint of old yuri mind control, not as a actual weapon but just a reference to it as far as unit design....

Red Alert itself being limited to "Time Travel" scenarios....is getting well rather redundant.

[Statalyzer]

had they built off the moon mission in Yuri Revenge....have a left over by-product of yuri's forces become a new "faction" but were mainly android/robotic like units (due to lack of Oxygen) with a hint of old yuri mind control, not as a actual weapon but just a reference to it as far as unit design....

I'm glad they didn't do this, it might be even worse than another time-travel redress.

[Commander Dave]

i heard that ol yuri could show up in the expansion pack after red alert 3 comes out, Commander Dave :D