This is a... never mind the f&&k...

[thetechieotaku]

Hey guys, picture this out, some God D### folks in the higher sections feel that they are better in terms of Intelligence. The sectioning was based on your grade average. Here they are bragging about their section and tell that the people who are in the lower sections have no brain!! S###!!!! We all applied in the school and passed the needed examination in order to be accepted! We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence! This is really a G&& D&&& DISCRIMINATION!!!:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:

[Nod Fanatic]

You feel you have enough smileys in there?

[SiDeWiNdEr]

One or two more may have done it!

We did have people like that in our school although our schools are nothing like yours. If that makes sense...

Basicly they're 'Smart' Bullies. lol.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Are you retarded? You make a post claiming to be upset because others look down on you as unintelligent, and this is what you produce?

Hey guys, picture this out, some God D### folks in the higher sections feel that they are better in terms of Intelligence. The sectioning was based on your grade average. Here they are bragging about their section and tell that the people who are in the lower sections have no brain!! S###!!!! We all applied in the school and passed the needed examination in order to be accepted! We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence! This is really a G&& D&&& DISCRIMINATION!!!:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:

Is this some sick joke?

[Doh004]

Either you're just completely stupid, or your level of sarcasm is way above me.

[SunnyInc.]

Either you're just completely stupid, or your level of sarcasm is way above me.

Maybe it's a bit of both?

:p

[Doh004]

I wouldn't doubt it... ;)

[eLDiablo]

Hey guys, picture this out, some God D### folks in the higher sections feel that they are better in terms of Intelligence. The sectioning was based on your grade average. Here they are bragging about their section and tell that the people who are in the lower sections have no brain!! S###!!!! We all applied in the school and passed the needed examination in order to be accepted! We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence! This is really a G&& D&&& DISCRIMINATION!!!:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:

I take it your mom only got half of you when she took the rusty coat hanger to you while you were in the womb.

[Statalyzer]

Hey guys, picture this out, some God D### folks in the higher sections feel that they are better in terms of Intelligence. The sectioning was based on your grade average. Here they are bragging about their section and tell that the people who are in the lower sections have no brain!! S###!!!! We all applied in the school and passed the needed examination in order to be accepted! We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence! This is really a G&& D&&& DISCRIMINATION!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/Statalyzer/picture.jpg

[SunnyInc.]

The term "moron" just doesn't do you justice sometimes, Stat.

[apple23]

Hey guys, picture this out, some God D### folks in the higher sections feel that they are better in terms of Intelligence. The sectioning was based on your grade average. Here they are bragging about their section and tell that the people who are in the lower sections have no brain!! S###!!!! We all applied in the school and passed the needed examination in order to be accepted! We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence! This is really a G&& D&&& DISCRIMINATION!!!:flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame::flame:

Oh, come on. Instead of wasting our time complaining about those people bragging about thier superior intelligence (and simultaneously putting together a post that does not help your case in that matter) you could be out there proving them wrong. Schoolwork is not hard at all and if you aren't up in the highest brackets of intelligence you either aren't applying yourself at all or you really are just that stupid.

And ease up on the &$*%in @&# &#^$ :flame::flame::flame::flame:smileys won't you?

We are all students of the school so all of us are equal in intelligence!
I'd like to highlight this quote because of how untrue it really is. In my high school, we have all kinds of different levels of intelligence. We have at the bottom rung the Resource class kids(the ones that generally are made fun of by bullies for thier low intelligence) then the average kids (regular courses, nothing special) then the Honors/AP class kids (Not geniuses but still too intelligent for a normal class) and then the IB class kids (The cream of the crop, so-to-speak. Smartest of the bunch)

Basicly they're 'Smart' Bullies. lol.
How ironic...

[SunnyInc.]

Oh, come on. Instead of wasting our time complaining about those people bragging about thier superior intelligence (and simultaneously putting together a post that does not help your case in that matter) you could be out there proving them wrong. Schoolwork is not hard at all and if you aren't up in the highest brackets of intelligence you either aren't applying yourself at all or you really are just that stupid.

I bet you're in primary school...

[apple23]

and just what are you trying to suggest? I go to a basic public high school... nothing wrong with that, is there?

[SunnyInc.]

and just what are you trying to suggest? I go to a basic public high school...

Oh my you're all grown up now - you must feel smart.

p.s. I'm not going to read between the lines for you, champ.

[KrasnyOktyabr]

and just what are you trying to suggest? I go to a basic public high school...

Oh no, not public schools, anything but that... dear Lord I'd rather be dead than go to a public high school with common people.

Not that I have any problem with private schools, home schooling, or any other alternative to public schools, I'm just sick of the holier than thou attitudes attendees of such places give off. There are plenty of students in public schools that are just as smart as your dumb ass, but have to work twice as hard to get to where they are.

[Doh004]

Oh no, not public schools, anything but that... dear Lord I'd rather be dead than go to a public high school with common people.
Not that I have any problem with private schools, home schooling, or any other alternative to public schools, I'm just sick of the holier than thou attitudes attendees of such places give off. There are plenty of students in public schools that are just as smart as your dumb ass, but have to work twice as hard to get to where they are.
KO, he goes to a public school...:hmm:

[apple23]

KO, he goes to a public school...:hmm:

KO, I wasn't trying to say I was better than anyone because I went to a public school. As a matter of fact I was trying to make the assertion that no type of school is better than the other.

Not that I have any problem with private schools, home schooling, or any other alternative to public schools, I'm just sick of the holier than thou attitudes attendees of such places give off. There are plenty of students in public schools that are just as smart, but have to work twice as hard to get to where they are.
I totally agree, but I think you took my comment out of context. I was trying to say that I went to a basic public school, not that I didn't want to.

Oh my you're all grown up now - you must feel smart.

p.s. I'm not going to read between the lines for you, champ.
For god's sake, give it a rest already.

[SunnyInc.]

KO, I wasn't trying to say I was better than anyone because I went to a public school. As a matter of fact I was trying to make the assertion that no type of school is better than the other.


I totally agree, but I think you took my comment out of context. I was trying to say that I went to a basic public school, not that I didn't want to.


For god's sake, give it a rest already.

You're always going to be a retard no matter what kind of education you receive. Discussion over. By the way, I find it rather amusing how you think of things long after your initial post then add them in - you're pretty quick ay?

[KrasnyOktyabr]

KO, he goes to a public school...:hmm:

My apologies, I misread his post.

[apple23]

My apologies, I misread his post.
No problem ;)

You're always going to be a retard no matter what kind of education you receive. Discussion over.
I think you will find that many people here think otherwise
By the way, I find it rather amusing how you think of things long after your initial post then add them in - you're pretty quick ay?
I only added that in because I wanted to clarify the meaning of that statement. KO's post made it clear to me that I wasn't being clear.

Seriously... give it up already. You'll never win this completely fruitless flamewar...

[SunnyInc.]

No problem ;)


I think you will find that many people here think otherwise

I wouldn't doubt that you and the likes of Pipinowns have intellectually stimulating conversations all the time. No seriously, you're a smart guy. After all, you only trolled this thread for fifteen minutes after I posted then replied six hours later when you finally thought of somehting to say. Might I add it was about as thought provoking as every single one of your posts in this section of forum (including the one's from the nuker days).

I only added that in because I wanted to clarify the meaning of that statement. KO's post made it clear to me that I wasn't being clear.

I'm sure you did, champ.

Seriously... give it up already. You'll never win this completely fruitless flamewar...

How cute! Or maybe juvenile would be a more fitting description of someone who believes that flaming a moron who waltz' into flamerz making useless comments, that are neither witty nor construtive. is about winning or losing. It's about putting morons in their place, champ. Unfortunately, some of them don't take a hint.

[apple23]

I wouldn't doubt that you and the likes of Pipinowns have intellectually stimulating conversations all the time. No seriously, you're a smart guy.
You think pipin could have an intellectual conversation? seriously, don't even bring that disgrace into this converstion.

After all, you only trolled this thread for fifteen minutes after I posted then replied six hours later when you finally thought of somehting to say.
You really just aren't thinking very clearly these days, are you?
The reason I replied six hours later is because I have a life away from the computer. I can't spend every hour of my life on the forums, as you seem to believe

Might I add it was about as thought provoking as every single one of your posts in this section of forum (including the one's from the nuker days).

A flame isn't exactly supposed to be thought-provoking, and Might I add that your flames aren't exactly thought provoking either.

How cute! Or maybe juvenile would be a more fitting description of someone who believes that flaming a moron who waltz' into flamerz making useless comments, that are neither witty nor construtive. is about winning or losing. It's about putting morons in their place, champ. Unfortunately, some of them don't take a hint.

Flamerz isn't about being constructive, first of all, and saying that my comments aren't witty is interesting, seeing as you have demonstrated very little wit in most of your recent flames.

Also, "Putting morons in thier place," in your context, effectively means winning. If you win, you "Put them in thier place" If you lose, then you don't.

Either way, you're never going to get anywhere by trying to incite these flamewars between us in every flamerz thread because the issue is so dead and gone that you just don't have the support you had to flame me back in the nuker days. Either you are really losing your touch or you really depended on all those other guys flaming me to fuel your insults.

[SunnyInc.]

You think pipin could have an intellectual conversation? seriously, don't even bring that disgrace into this converstion.

I don't suppose you've ever encountered such a thing called 'sarcasm'?

You really just aren't thinking very clearly these days, are you?
The reason I replied six hours later is because I have a life away from the computer. I can't spend every hour of my life on the forums, as you seem to believe.

It wasn't a question as to whether or not you had a life outside these forums, what kind of life you actually lead would probably make for an interesting and probably humourous discussion though. Anyhow, I don't expect you to spend every hour of your life on these forums but I do expect a response if you have enough time to troll the thread for fiteen odd minutes after I make a post. I must say though though I'm rather impressed at how quickly you responded to my last post. Needless to say the quality wasn't any better but you're getting quicker (which probably isn't a good thing because we'll have to put up with more of your crap)!

A flame isn't exactly supposed to be thought-provoking, and Might I add that your flames aren't exactly thought provoking either.

I can't say I'm surprised hearing that from a guy who has demonstrated himself incapable of any thought process whatsoever.

Flamerz isn't about being constructive, first of all, and saying that my comments aren't witty is interesting, seeing as you have demonstrated very little wit in most of your recent flames.

Whatever makes you feel good about yourself, champ.

Also, "Putting morons in thier place," in your context, effectively means winning. If you win, you "Put them in thier place" If you lose, then you don't.

Either way, you're never going to get anywhere by trying to incite these flamewars between us in every flamerz thread because the issue is so dead and gone that you just don't have the support you had to flame me back in the nuker days. Either you are really losing your touch or you really depended on all those other guys flaming me to fuel your insults.

...I'm not even going to bother.

[apple23]

I don't suppose you've ever encountered such a thing called 'sarcasm'?
wow, dude. Way to miss the point.

It wasn't a question as to whether or not you had a life outside these forums, what kind of life you actually lead would probably make for an interesting and probably humouress discussion though. Anyhow, I don't expect you to spend a every hour of your life on these forums but I do expect a response if you have enough time to troll the thread for fiteen odd minutes after I make a post. I must say though though I'm rather impressed at how quickly you responded to my last post. Needless to say the quality wasn't any better but you're getting quicker (which probably isn't a good thing because we'll have to put up with more of your crap)!

I do other things at these forums than look at the flamerz threads. Seriously.

I can't say I'm surprised hearing that from a guy who has demonstrated himself capable of any thought whatsoever.
your grammar is atrocious but you do realise that you just complimented me?

...I'm not even going to bother.
Ah, the classic way to get out of answering a quote that you have no response to. Very clever.

[SunnyInc.]

wow, dude. Way to miss the point.

Ah, the classic way to get out of answering a quote that you have no response to. Very clever.

I've group these two quotes together because they're essentially the same kind of response. I'd like to make it clear that after this post I'm not going to be posting in this thread anymore because I'm getting sick of watching this arguement go in circles due to your inability to comrpehend ANYTHING I've said. As Chuckie, NuclearDreams, Camel and so many other members have said to me in similar situations before, "you're beating a dead horse, Sunny.". No doubt you'll think you've come out on top with me back out and all but I honestly don't give a **** because I'll be seen as the bigger of the two of us, as is expected by all the respected members of these boards.


I do other things at these forums than look at the flamerz threads. Seriously.

Well, I had this thread on tab for over twenty minutes and every time I alt-tabbed and refreshed back to the DGFN browser I'd see your name on the list of people viewing this thread. You're not going to back out of that one as easily as that, champ.

your grammar is atrocious but you do realise that you just complimented me?

Yes, I do realize a sentence that was intended as an insult was made to look like a compliment due to a minor grammatical error. I realized I'd left the "in" out of "incapable" before you posted it and rectified the error accordingly. I'm a tad curious, however, as to how you think a minor grammatical slip - from a guy who is on the phone to an angry girlfriend, has numerous other applications running and is trying to get out the door to goto the gym - constitutes "atrocious" grammar. Especially consdiering that same guy has been noted by his enemies and friends alike for his exceptional grammar and rarely slips up.

Edit: I'll have some light reading for you all as soon as I can copy and paste all of these friggin' pager messages.

[apple23]

I've group these two quotes together because they're essentially the same kind of response. I'd like to make it clear that after this post I'm not going to be posting in this thread anymore because I'm getting sick of watching this arguement go in circles due to your inability to comrpehend ANYTHING I've said.
You have thus far not been able to come up with a comprehendable argument, or at least one worth reading.

As Chuckie, NuclearDreams, Camel and so many other members have said to me in similar situations before, "you're beating a dead horse, Sunny.". No doubt you'll think you've come out on top with me back out and all but I honestly don't give a **** because I'll be seen as the bigger of the two of us, as is expected by all the respected members of these boards.

You can't seriously back out of an argument by saying that everyone else will back you up. It just dosen't work that way, especially since you seem to be the only one that has a beef with me anymore.

Well, I had this thread on tab for over twenty minutes and every time I alt-tabbed and refreshed back to the DGNF browser I'd see your name on the list of people viewing this thread. You're not going to back out of that one as easily as that, champ.

I didn't think you would peice my arguments together, but anyways I was aparently vainly attempting to get your thick head to relise that I was away from my computer for those 10-15 minutes

Yes, I do realize a sentence that was intended as an insult was made to look like a compliment due to a minor grammatical error. I realized I'd left the "in" out of "incapable" before you posted it and rectified the error accordingly. I'm a tad curious, however, as to how you think a minor grammatical slip - from a guy who is on the phone to an angry girlfriend, has numerous other applications running and is trying to get out the door to goto the gym - constitutes "atrocious" grammar. Especially consdiering that same guy has been noted by his enemies and friends alike for his exceptional grammar and rarely slips up.

I agree that you usually have good grammar. I was trying to say that that sentance was poorly worded. (the minor error made the whole sentance gramatically incorrect, you follow me?)

Oh, and I'd also like to note the irony of you trying to make it an insult that it took me some time to post, yet you then took almost an hour to reply to my last post, and you were on these boards the entire time and often viewing this thread.

[SunnyInc.]

You have thus far not been able to come up with a comprehendable argument, or at least one worth reading.
I didn't think you would peice my arguments together, but anyways I was aparently vainly attempting to get your thick head to relise that I was away from my computer for those 10-15 minutes

These two responses say exactly the same thing in a slightly different manner so I thought I'd reply to them together. Now, as we've already discussed, it doesn't make you clever taking the exact same calls as I use on you and throwing them at me out of context and in a slightly less sophisticated manner. I know my arguments sound good when I use them to take the piss out of you but that's because they're actually applicable and my delivery is significantly better:

I'd like to make it clear that after this post I'm not going to be posting in this thread anymore because I'm getting sick of watching this arguement go in circles due to your inability to comrpehend ANYTHING I've said.

You can't seriously back out of an argument by saying that everyone else will back you up. It just dosen't work that way, especially since you seem to be the only one that has a beef with me anymore.

What on earth would make you think that the diarrhea you've posted in this thread resembles anything close to an arguement?

I agree that you usually have good grammar. I was trying to say that that sentance was poorly worded. (the minor error made the whole sentance gramatically incorrect, you follow me?)

I don't need to "follow you" because I already highlighted the fact that my small grammatical error made the whole senetence grammatically void.

Oh, and I'd also like to note the irony of you trying to make it an insult that it took me some time to post, yet you then took almost an hour to reply to my last post, and you were on these boards the entire time and often viewing this thread.

I've already explained to you the situation via pager so I consider that a very low blow seeing as you know that you've taken the situation completely out of context. I was busy doing other things while I was writing my original reply and then when I finally hit submit I got another ****ing errror. I had to stuff around the house and ask my mate to wait around for an hour and have dinner at my place while I dealt with you. It's all good thought the logs that have taken me over well over thirty minutes to copy and paste will explain the situation (mostly) to all the people you're trying to mislead:

Edit: These aren't all the logs. The fact that I had pager messages popping up every thirty seconds between all the other stuff I was trying to do added to my delayed response.

*whoosh*

okay, seriously, what the hell?

Did ya hear that?

*whoosh*

There it goes again!

are you on crack?

Damn, I wonder what that was...

*whoosh*

...oh I know what it is!

wow what the hell is wrong with you this time?


Oh I get it! It's the sound of another point FLYING over your head in flamerz... cuteee.

and that sound of your sheer stupidity...


...excuse me if I take a while to reply. I'm choking on the irony...

same thing happened to me when I posted... I found it hard to reply to it because of how blatantly stupid it was...

You know the thing that entertains me most about your posts is you call me "stupid" but you never substantiate yourself. Now, I'm no lawyer but at least I back up what I say rather than stooping to the lowest level of name calling.

holy **** dude. you almost killed me with the irony there... wow. one more hit, and all that irony would have overwhelmed me.

Using my own material against me isn't nearly as clever as you seem to think it is. If you'd like I'll send you every single one of my recent flames and highlight the substantiating text in bold? Just so we're on the same wave length...

yeah... "whatever makes you feel good about yourself"...

Quoting one response out of the hundreds of responses I've posted in flamerz over the years doesn't really do you any favours...

your sad replies don't do you any favours. Seriously, do you think that post was a rebuttle to anything i said? dream on...

I gave as much R-E-B-U-T-T-A-L as anyone could given the abysmal level of arguement you actually mounted. Note my response to the second quote. I actually cite a specific instance which proves how depressingly long it took you to come up with that truly piss poor response to my last post.
...and that's called evidencing your claim. Get a clue you ****ing moron.

in case you didn't realise this, that goes back to you, and your piss-poor argument that I had to reply to. Way to insult yourself.

The old "I'm the diamond and your the glue" line still goes down with you kids? Ah that brings me back to the days when I was in grade four!

oh the irony! the irony!

more irony! this is truly rich! keep this up, please!

I regret teaching you that word...

you didn't teach me that word...

Oh, fair enough. Well, it's easy to see how I could make such a mistake. You've been throwing it at me ever since I initially brought it up in our conversation. I figured you went to look it up and it became your word of the day.

you didn't teach me that word...

I just put the idea in your head and you let your imagination run wild trying apply it to context in which it will never fit.

You started exhibiting such irony afterwards that it soon became my word of the day when dealing with you



Not at all. I've backed down on more that one occasion. If the day comes that you make a good point and substantiate it, I'll back down. I won't hold my breathe waiting for that day though. Now stop replying I'm on the phone and getting ready to go to the gym.

The interesting thing is that you seem to think that your last reply was the answer to all previous arguments, and any person to contradict you is wrong because of it...

ah, if only you weren't so blinded by your massive ego and your arrogance, you'd see just how much that word really fits you...

Nah, I have a big ego and I can respect intelligence. You've never seen that side of me because you're a ****ing moron.


wow... you finally come up with a reply and then you cop out? That's pretty lame...

No, I'm actually pretyt busy at the moment.

wow... you finally come up with a reply and then you cop out? That's pretty lame...

Notice that in many recent flamerz threads you haven't respected the intelligence exhibited by anyone else, either. Especially when your opinion is being challenged.

ffs now my ****ing post won't submit and I'm going to be late for the ****ing gym because you won't get a ****ing clue.

avoiding my reply then? come on, you can't seriously expect me to believe your excuses and cop-outs?

I seriously don't care whether you believe me or not I'm genuinely a busy guy who has demonstrated on more than one occassion that he is far more intelligent than you.

another time then. have fun, and think about how to properly construct a flame while at gym class.

ahahahahahahAHAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHA

can't help but laugh at the fact that your only insult to me is th "i'm more intelligent that you" card. Seriously, get a new line douchebahg.

Congratulations, I missed my lift. I'll get a few quotes together and respond to your post in flamerz ASAP. Getting all the quotes is going to take a while though. I hope you don't mind if I use a few of your PM's to nail home the case

was that supposed to be... an insult of some sort? you really are losing you touch, aren't you?

Not at all, I'm just telling you what's happening. More fool you if you're taking it as an insult.

whatever gets you to humor me with a response that is better than the **** you have been posting recently is welcome

lol

whatever gets you to humor me with a response that is better than the **** you have been posting recently is welcome

lol

way to completely miss the point of that reply...

look again, you might just realise a thing or two.

then again, you probably won't...

Again, using my own lines on me isn't really that clever. Try using them on a different forum around a different group of people who won't call you out for using lines you picked up from someone else...

funny how you seem to think that anything that seems to defeat you, you come up and try to make it seem like you said it first.

...but I've never heard you use that line and I've used it on numerous occassions before. The only reason it works when i use it is it actually applies to the people I direct it at...

well i wasn't taking the comment from you, even if you have used that line before. Nice try though.

I wouldn't flatter yourself with the prospect of me even needing to try when I'm addressing you...

with your recent sad excuses for insults you need to try more. It is hard to tell wether you are half-assing it or if you really are that idiotic.

[Fenring]

Apple23, stop feeding the failtroll. He lives for this tirade of dumbassery. Just... stop... feeding... him.

[SunnyInc.]

Apple23, stop feeding the failtroll. He lives for this tirade of dumbassery. Just... stop... feeding... him.

I reckon that's a tad hypocritical coming from you Ferning, but hey, what can you do? I'm experiencing the strongest sense of de ja vu at the moment because this moron has the exact same flaming style as Nod Fanatic used to, only Nod Fanatic isn't a completely knob jockey anymore. You, however, are a couple of pegs below both of them when it comes to cunning - which isn't an easy feat - so I'm a little confused as to why'd you'd post in here and embarrass yourself, again? Maybe you have no shame? I'm not too sure but nonertheless, it's amusing listening to the crap you try to pull :D

[Statalyzer]

I reckon that's a tad hypocritical coming from you Ferning, but hey, what can you do?

If there's one person on this forum that shouldn't be accusing anyone of hypocrisy, it's the guy who claims he's never held a grudge and yet all he does in flamerz is insult people based on things that were way in the past that most everyone else has forgotten, and who says anonymous negreps are for cowards, and then dishes them out anyway.

[apple23]

These two responses say exactly the same thing in a slightly different manner so I thought I'd reply to them together. Now, as we've already discussed, it doesn't make you clever taking the exact same calls as I use on you and throwing them at me out of context and in a slightly less sophisticated manner. I know my arguments sound good when I use them to take the piss out of you but that's because they're actually applicable and my delivery is significantly better:

You group two replies together that were in completely different contexts and then you attempt to insult me by saying that my comments are out of context? And you seem to be the only one that thinks you have good arguments, let alone being the only one that seems to think he is smarter than me with those cappy-ass flames.

You say you back your arguments up, but you have never, ever backed up your "I am more intelligent than you" argument, which is the only real argument you have. Not once.

I don't need to "follow you" because I already highlighted the fact that my small grammatical error made the whole senetence grammatically void.
Actually, I had to make that clarification because if you look back, you took my comment horridly out of context.

I've already explained to you the situation via pager so I consider that a very low blow seeing as you know that you've taken the situation completely out of context. I was busy doing other things while I was writing my original reply and then when I finally hit submit I got another ****ing errror. I had to stuff around the house and ask my mate to wait around for an hour and have dinner at my place while I dealt with you. It's all good thought the logs that have taken me over well over thirty minutes to copy and paste will explain the situation (mostly) to all the people you're trying to mislead:

If you were sooo busy like you say you were (having numerous applications on, on the phone, having a place to go soon) then why in hell did you start a flamewar that you knew would be time and attention demanding?



Also, way to totally screw up that pager war. It is blatantly obvious that you edited and moved around many of my messages to try and make me look dumb.

Nice try, though. I suppose I ought to post up what really happened since you were the only one i was paging?

Apple23, stop feeding the failtroll. He lives for this tirade of dumbassery. Just... stop... feeding... him.

But it's so fun feeding the poor little animal. I just love it when he tries (and I emphasize tries) to insult me.

http://forums.cncden.com/images/reputation/reputation_neg.gifThis is a... never mind... (http://forums.cncden.com/showthread.php?p=382897#post382897)07-07-2008 03:10 AM Quit while you're only marginally behind.
I thought I might post this up to emphasize Stat's argument, and just to point out just how little of my side of the argument you actually see, Sunny.

[Fenring]

I reckon that's a tad hypocritical coming from you Ferning, but hey, what can you do? I'm experiencing the strongest sense of de ja vu at the moment because this moron has the exact same flaming style as Nod Fanatic used to, only Nod Fanatic isn't a completely knob jockey anymore. You, however, are a couple of pegs below both of them when it comes to cunning - which isn't an easy feat - so I'm a little confused as to why'd you'd post in here and embarrass yourself, again? Maybe you have no shame? I'm not too sure but nonertheless, it's amusing listening to the crap you try to pull :D
This only proves my original statement - you're a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.

[apple23]

I also find it amusing that in almost every thread where Sunny brings up his grudge against me, he gets beaten left and right by not only me, but an overwhelming amount of other people that joined in on my side.

[SunnyInc.]

If there's one person on this forum that shouldn't be accusing anyone of hypocrisy, it's the guy who claims he's never held a grudge and yet all he does in flamerz is insult people based on things that were way in the past that most everyone else has forgotten, and who says anonymous negreps are for cowards, and then dishes them out anyway.

Like you can accuse anyone of holding grudges. You stalk me through every flamerz thread taking potshots at a single line out of a whole post. Troll more. Now, you may have noticed in a recent flamerz thread that an opportunity for me to flame Doh came to head and instead of flaming him, I decided to joke around with him. This wasn't me getting over a grudge as much as it was me taking on your point the last time you accused me of holding grudges. After thinking about what you said when everyone cooled off, I actually decided to give everyone who I've given a hard time a second chance and do my part to make the DGNF forum a more pleasant place to post.

Now, off the top of my head I can think of a handful of members who I've really grilled over the past year including Nod Fanatic, Doh, Apple23 and few others. I figured if they couldn't give me a reason to flame them anymore, I could at least be civil to them (and possibly even be nice to them). I've already mentioned that Doh and I have been on good terms and there have been pleanty of opportunities in this section of the forum for any existing grudges to prevail but they haven't, because as I've already mentioned, I've been doing my best to drop them. Nod Fanatic will also confirm to you that I have been relatively civil towards him recently. I haven't singled him out in flamerz threads and I've responded to a few of his posts outside flamerz, I've even joked around with him a bit. So at this stage we've established that the I'm not nearly as good at holding grudges as you seem to think I am and I can, in fact, be pretty fair when it comes to giving people another shot. At this point I'm guessing you're wondering why I've decided to hold a grudge against apple23 or why apple has been the exception from my effort to give my old grudges a second chance. The truth is he isn't an exception and I haven't decided to hold a grudge:

My reaction towards apple23 in this thread was dictated soley by his behaviour in this thread and not by his actions when he posted under his nuker alias. I must admit it's a terribly difficult thing to do because the only difference I've really seen in his posts since he changed accounts is he actually proof reads his posts now. It doesn't usually do him much good because the content, at least in this section of the forum, hasn't changed much at all. Nevertheless, I decided to cut him some slack and I didn't give him any stick in the other recent flamerz threads until our arguement from this thread spilled over; due to him. The problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them. He hasn't earned enough respect and he doesn't have enough friends around here to pull that kind of crap yet. That's why I decided to jump on his back about it and hopefully knock him down a few pegs.

With regards to the anon neg rep, I honestly didn't intend to not sign it. Sometime I forget to sign my reps, both postive and negative. Besides, if you think about it why would I not sign my neg rep? It's certainly not because I'm afraid of being slapped with a revenge rep, I sign the one's I give you and cop the punitive reputation hit from you. If I was trying to go anonymous I would've repped him a few days later and would've said something completely our of character. I realize there are pleanty of points which you could hold me to account for and I'll be happy to debate them if you respond to me in a civil manner. Hopefully both you and apple23 realize that the above explanation takes a fair bit of steam out of the horrendously inaccurate party line both you two and all my enemies seem to tow:

1) I tell people what I think of them and then fail to substantiate myself. If I haven't done so in past posts I'm pretty sure the above explanation dismiss' any claims of that nature.

2) My massive ego (and it is massive) inhibits my ability to acknowlged a good point when it is made. Clearly, my decision to drop the grudges I've held against a few members for a long time was influenced by a solid point Stat made against me in flamerz. Even though I didn't admit he was right at the time I took it on as I've already explained.

3) I neg rep people without signining them. I'd be seriously impressed if you could name a reason why I wouldn't sign the rep hit I gave apple23.

4) I hold grudges. Yeh sure, I do, Stat does, everyone does, but the one's I've held on this board I've made a huge effort to drop.

Edtiage:

5) By listing your arguements and discepencies you've mounted against me I have demonstrated that I understand what you're saying but I simply don't agree with it.

Now, I'd appreciate it if anyone who decided to respond to this section of my post will respond to entire paragraphs instead of taking single lines out of context to make me look like a moron. Apple23, if you want me to annotate this entire response showing where I've made claims and where I've substantiated them, I'd be more than happy to do so. I would've references more posts and instances to evidence my explanation but I'm only going to do that if someone deems it neccessary.

You group two replies together that were in completely different contexts and then you attempt to insult me by saying that my comments are out of context? And you seem to be the only one that thinks you have good arguments, let alone being the only one that seems to think he is smarter than me with those cappy-ass flames.

Actually, they were essentially the same response to two different comments. I wasn't grouping them together to try to insult you but to make it quicker and easier for me to respond. Despite what you think most people will back when I tell you that I do make solid points and substantiate them as best as I can without writing a friggin' pyscho-analysis (which I've done before at uni).

You say you back your arguments up, but you have never, ever backed up your "I am more intelligent than you" argument, which is the only real argument you have. Not once.

I do it all the time, as a matter of fact I backed up everything I said in my address to both you and Stat above. I cited specific instances and reasons for my actions and reactions. I actually don't know how I could substantiate myself anymore without writing a full research essay on your behaviour and various mannerisms. I usually use some kind of evidence to substantiate my point in my forum based discussions but I think my above address dismiss' any claim that I never back myself up. If you can't see the text that supports the points I made in the above explanation you should seriously consider dropping out of school, getting a job at maccas and climbing the corporate ladder that way. Either way, I haven't made any reference to me being smarter than you in this thread - I thought it was a given - I've called you dumb on numerous occassions though.

Actually, I had to make that clarification because if you look back, you took my comment horridly out of context.

I didn't take it out of context at all. I simply responded in a manner that would address all the connotations that you apparently didn't know were attached to the original statement. Having already written well over one thousand words in this post so far I honestly can't be arsed explaining myself. No doubt you'll claim this as another little "victory" for you, seeing as you operate under the illusion that this section of the forum is about winning ang losing.

If you were sooo busy like you say you were (having numerous applications on, on the phone, having a place to go soon) then why in hell did you start a flamewar that you knew would be time and attention demanding?

...because I didn't realize you'd respond so quickly. Otherwise I would've posted when I knew I had time to bounce back pager messages with you and copy and paste pager messgaes. It's pretty out of character for you to respond to a flame within fifteen minutes of me posting. Maybe your dad was helping you or something? I don't know...

Also, way to totally screw up that pager war. It is blatantly obvious that you edited and moved around many of my messages to try and make me look dumb.

Nice try, though. I suppose I ought to post up what really happened since you were the only one i was paging?[//quote]

I'm not going to let you get away with this one, champ. I posted them in the exact order that I sent/recieved them and I didn't edit one of them. If you can spot a mistake in any of the pager's I quoted, feel free to point it out to me with a screen shot as evidence and I'll happily change it. As I've told you on so many occassions now, I don't need to do anything to make you look like an idiot. I can provide screen shots if you'd like.

[quote=apple23;382945]But it's so fun feeding the poor little animal. I just love it when he tries (and I emphasize tries) to insult me.

Again, I wouldn't flatter yourself with the prospect of me actualyl needing to try for me to cut you down and put you in your place. I don't need the people who support me on a regular basis, in arguements almost exactly the same as this one, to make an apperance in this thread to hold my side of the arguement. I get enough pos reps and PM's (from people who actually hold some amount of respect around these forums) to reassure me as it is - not that any reassurance is needed.

I thought I might post this up to emphasize Stat's argument, and just to point out just how little of my side of the argument you actually see, Sunny.

What? You mean the one I just completely cut down? Regardless, you could take a leaf out of Stat's book when it comes to making a point and substantiating a claim, I've seen him do it on many occassions but I can't reacall one when I've seen you do it.

I also find it amusing that in almost every thread where Sunny brings up his grudge against me, he gets beaten left and right by not only me, but an overwhelming amount of other people that joined in on my side.

It's funny because you think you've got popular opinion or your side when in actual fact it's just the same bunch of retards who troll every flame war I become invovled in.

[apple23]

Now, off the top of my head I can think of a handful of members who I've really grilled over the past year including Nod Fanatic, Doh, Apple23 and few others. I figured if they couldn't give them another run and they couldn't give me a reason to flame them anymore, I could at least be civil to them (and possibly even be nice to them). I've already mentioned that Doh and I have been on good terms and there have pleanty of opportunities in this section of the forum for any existing grudges to prevail but they haven't, because as I've already mentioned, I've been doing my best to drop them. Nod Fanatic will also confirm to you that I have been relatively civil towards him recently. I haven't singled him out in flamerz threads and I've responded to a few of his posts outside flamerz, I've even joked around with him a bit. So at this stage we've established that the I'm not nearly as good at hold grudges as you seem to think I am and I can, in fact, be pretty fair when it comes to giving people another shot.
I will give you credit there, you haven't picked on NF or Doh, and you do act civilised on other sections of the forum.

My reaction towards apple23 in this thread was dictated soley by his behaviour in this thread and not by his actions when he posted under his nuker alias. I must admit it's a terribly difficult thing to do because the only difference I've really seen in his posts since he changed accounts is he actually proof reads his posts now. It doesn't usually do him much good because the content, at least in this section of the forum, hasn't changed much at all.
As I have said countless times before, backed up my claim, and had others back me up as well, This is very far from true. I was extremely childish back then, had no idea what I was doing, and didn't know how to really construct an insult or how to properly debate or flame. This has all changed, look at the avapod thread where you pos repped me, the sg500 thread where you totally attacked me out of the blue as soon as you figured out that apple=nuker, something you never did before that, and the threads about doh, which you started about doh, and then turned around and attacked me.

Every time you pick me out of a flamerz thread you say that it was only my actions in this thread, but then you start picking **** out from other threads, even from other sections of the forum. That does not help or support your argument at all and more so points against you.

Nevertheless, I decided to cut him some slack and I didn't give him any stick in the other recent flamerz threads until our arguement from this thread spilled over; due to him. The problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them. He hasn't earned enough respect and he doesn't have enough friends around here to pull that kind of crap yet. That's why I decided to jump on his back about it and hopefully knock him down a few pegs.

First off, you started all of this, by attacking me when I did absolutely nothing to directly provoke you. Please, tell me how that makes me the one who "spilled over" the argument into other threads.

Also, before you even say anything about the sidewinder thing in the goodbye thread, I did not say that from anything in this thread, I was saying that all based on what I saw in the thread and I was backing up a guy that did absolutely nothing to provoke any kind of response like that from you.

I don't see why I have to gain respect from you to flame other people. You cannot act like your actions are made on behalf of the entire forum. You know this by now that your opinion is not the opinion of the entire forum.

I will admit that I was once as bad as them, but there is a prime difference: PEOPLE CHANGE, I changed, as I evidenced above, and people will flame them until they change, too. The same exact way I entered the forums. Just because I was once there dosen't mean I am required to sympathise for them. They will learn themselves.

With regards to the anon neg rep, I honestly didn't intend to not sign it. Sometime I forget to sign my reps, both postive and negative. Besides, if you think about it why would I not sign my neg rep? It's certainly not because I'm afraid of being slapped with a revenge rep, I sign the one's I give you and cop the punitive reputation hit from you. If I was trying to go anonymous I would've repped him a few days later and would've said something completely our of character.
Fair enough. At least I know the rep was from you, so it dosen't matter that you didn't sign it, as long as I nkow you didn't intend to not sign it.

1) I tell people what I think for them and then fail to substantiate myself. If I haven't done so in past posts I'm pretty sure the above explanation dismiss' any claims of that nature.
If you are going to argue that you substantiate yourself, then substantiate your claim that you substantiate yourself. You did not do that in any part of your earlier reply, so referring to it is useless. If you would like to specifically point out where you substantiated yourself on this claim, feel free to point it out and if it really does prove your point, I will honestly back down from this argument.

2) My massive ego (and it is massive) inhibits my ability to acknowlged a good point when it is made. Clearly, my decision to drop the grudges I've held against a few members for a long time was influenced by a solid point Stat made against me in flamerz. Even though I didn't admit he was right at the time I took it on as I've already explained.
As I've said before, I will give you credit that you have appreciated a good point before. The thing that really annoys me is that you brush off all of my good points with some cop-out like "I'm not even going to bother", or "that's just stupid" I have thus far replied to every point you make in your replies, so I really think you should do the same.

3) I neg rep people without a reason. I'd be seriously impressed if you could name a reason why I wouldn't sign the rep hit I gave apple23.
As I said before, I can believe that you really intended to sign that neg rep, seeing as you signed all your other neg and pos reps to me.

4) I hold grudges. Yeh sure, I do, Stat does, everyone does, but the one's I've held on this board I've made a huge effort to drop.
Read all the arguments in your recent flame threads and you may be able to realise the amount of prejudice you flame me with, particularly in the sg500 thread.

Now, I'd appreciate it if anyone who decided to respond to this section of my post will respond to entire paragraphs instead of taking single lines out of context to make me look like a moron. Apple23, if you want me to do annotate this entire response showing where I've made claims and where I've substantiated them, I'd be more than happy to do so. I would've references more posts and instances to evidence my explanation but I'm only going to do that if someone deems it neccessary.

Go ahead and post every claim in regards to this recent argument that you have substantiated. If you can actually show that it substantiates it and how it substantiates your claim, I will back down.

Actually, they were essentially the same response to two different comments. I wasn't grouping them together to try to insult you but to make it quicker and easier for me to respond. Despite what you think most people will back when I tell you that I do make solid points and substantiate them as best as I can without writing a friggin' pyscho-analysis (which I've done before at uni).
Even if they were the same type of response, they were made in completely different contexts. In the same argument that you replied to those two points, you said that I took stuff out of context, but essentially replying to both those points could only mean that you took the comments out of context.

I do it all the time, as a matter of fact I backed up everything I said in my address to both you and Stat above. I cited specific instances and reasons for my actions and reactions. I actually don't know how I could substantiate myself anymore without writing a full research essay on your behaviour and various mannerisms. I usually use some kind of evidence to substantiate my point in my forum based discussions but I think my above address dismiss' any claim that I never back myself up. If you can't see the text that supports the points I made in the above explanation you should seriously consider dropping out of school, getting a job at maccas and climbing the corporate ladder that way. Either way, I haven't made any reference to me being smarter than you in this thread - I thought it was a give - I've called you dumb on numerous occassions though.

You gave your opinion as far as your reasons for behaving the way you did, but you never really stated what I did to provoke you. You said that you thought I wasn't in 'authority' to flame someone, and that's a step in the right direction to evidencing your claim that you aren't holding grudges against me, but even your saying that I can't be flaming new guys becuase I was there once goes back to how I was back then, thus going back to your holding grudges.

I never said that you Never evidence any of your claims, I was pointing towards a specific, ongoing insult you constantly throw at me with little evidence to the claim. You always play that "i'm smarter than you and you're an idiot" card whenever you need an insult to throw at me. Needless to say it has little to no avail.

Again, to that final statement in that paragraph, you have called me stupid countless times, but only when you want to make it sound like you're smarter than me, because you can't seem to accomplish this any other way.

And a sidenote, you always frown upon others for namecalling, but you do it at least once in every other post. I can quote several posts in the recent flamerz threads to evidence this claim.

I didn't take it out of context at all. I simply responded in a manner that would address all the connotations that you apparently didn't know were attached to the original statement. Having already written well over one thousand words in this post so far I honestly can't be arsed explaining myself. No doubt you'll claim this as another little "victory" for you, seeing as you operation under the illusion that this section of the forum is about winning ang losing.
Look at my earlier reply in regards to this argument. I was trying to hint you that I had other things to do as well, and I was Away from my keyboard at the time. I guess I have to do a better job next time.

Also, I don't see it as a victory, you saying you can't be arsed to explain yourself, but it does really seem ironic in the middle of a post that is very obviously defending the point that you always explain yourself.

...because I didn't realize you'd respond so quickly. Otherwise I would've posted when I knew I had time to bounce back pager messages with you and copy and paste pager messgaes. It's pretty out of character for you to respond to a flame within fifteen minutes of me posting. Maybe your dad was helping you or something? I don't know...
First off, I would like to point out that you started that pager war, and why the **** do you think it would take me a long time to respond to something that makes a loud beep and appears right before my face?

You could have just left for your gym class when you needed to, then came back and sorted the whole thing out. I have patience, I can wait for someone to respond to my stuff. it would have made alot more sense to me to leave it if you knew you were going to be busy than to get yourself into something you knew you couldn't get out of so easily(namely, starting the pager war)

I'm not going to let you get away with this one, champ. I posted them in the exact order that I sent/recieved them and I didn't edit one of them. If you can spot a mistake in any of the pager's I quoted, feel free to point it out to me with a screen shot as evidence and I'll happily change it. As I've told you on so many occassions now, I don't need to do anything to make you look like an idiot. I can provide screen shots if you'd like.
I can believe human error, especially if you were talking to other people at the time. Tomorow (not tonight; I got to go to bed soon) I'll post what really happened in the right order and SS my pager inbox and outbox (both pages of it) to make sure you understand.

Again, I wouldn't flatter yourself with the prospect of me actualyl needing to try for me to cut you down and put you in your place. I don't need the people who support me on a regular basis, in arguements almost exactly the same as this one, to make an apperance in the thread to hold my side of the arguement. I get enough pos reps and PM's (from people who actually hold some amount of respect around these forums) to reassure me as it is - not that any reassurance is needed.

Honestly, you have actually gotten much, much further than any of your previous posts have ever gotten combined with this single post. By staging a civilised debate(for the most part) and logically defending your arguments(please, please, PLEASE do not take that out of context) you have done a better job at arguing with me than ever before.

I have to congatulate you and give you credit for maturing up. It is this kind of debate that I really enjoy replying to. You have actually in this post alone shown that you don't entirely rely upon those other guys flaming me to help you join in the bash, Something you have seemed unable to do thus far. it has also shown that you are capable of putting up a civilised argument and can stage a logical point and defend it. (again, don't take that out of context)
What? You mean the one I just completely cut down? Regardless, you could take a leaf out of Stat's book when it comes to making a point and substantiating a claim, I've seen him do it on many occassions but I can't reacall one when I've seen you do it.
There. I just did it quite a few times. Want some more?
State a post where it was (and still is) necessary for me to evidence my claim and I didn't. I'll clear it up for you.

It's funny because you think you've got popular opinion or your side when in actual fact it's just the same bunch of retards who troll every flame war I become invovled in.
Even though it tends to be the same people, it still remains that every time since this one that you bring up this silly grudge against me, you end up making a total douchebag out of yourself. Nobody really won, and the thread never really ended (it just died), but the sg500 thread is a perfect example

There, I hope that clears a few things up. Anyways, thanks for the great read, I enjoyed replying to that, and I honestly, sincerely apologise for whatever it is that you deemed necessary to hold against me, even from my nuker days. (But I'm not backing down just yet, this is not over quite yet)

*EDIT*: As a sidenote, I PMed the starter of this thread, telling him to stay out of flamerz until he had a more solid reputation and was ready to start flaming, and he respectfully agreed with me and agreed to stay out of flamerz for the time being. (Sunny, make sure you have thoroughly read and understood my argument before you try to say that I'm in no position to say that)

[SunnyInc.]

I will give you credit there, you haven't picked on NF or Doh, and you do act civilised on other sections of the forum.

I don't need nor do I want your approval or support. Having your support ruins my image. The best comparison I could draw is if saturn supported the heart foundation, nobody would be interested in curing heart disease anymore. In actual fact, people would probably start researching new ways to contract it. The analogy is about outside the box, I know, but I suspect most of the people who read this thread will appreciate the analogy.

As I have said countless times before, backed up my claim, and had others back me up as well, This is very far from true. I was extremely childish back then, had no idea what I was doing, and didn't know how to really construct an insult or how to properly debate or flame. This has all changed, look at the avapod thread where you pos repped me, the sg500 thread where you totally attacked me out of the blue as soon as you figured out that apple=nuker, something you never did before that, and the threads about doh, which you started about doh, and then turned around and attacked me.

Every time you pick me out of a flamerz thread you say that it was only my actions in this thread, but then you start picking **** out from other threads, even from other sections of the forum. That does not help or support your argument at all and more so points against you.

You know what I love most about this part of your response is the quote you used as stimulus was taken so far out of context it's not even funny. You basically split a paragraph, that was building towards one point into two and responded to each half as independent entities. Here is the full paragraph in which I have highlighted the claim (italics), supporting evidence (bold) and conclusion (underlined):

"My reaction towards apple23 in this thread was dictated soley by his behaviour in this thread and not by his actions when he posted under his nuker alias. I must admit it's a terribly difficult thing to do because the only difference I've really seen in his posts since he changed accounts is he actually proof reads his posts now. It doesn't usually do him much good because the content, at least in this section of the forum, hasn't changed much at all. Nevertheless, I decided to cut him some slack and I didn't give him any stick in the other recent flamerz threads until our arguement from this thread spilled over; due to him. The problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them. He hasn't earned enough respect and he doesn't have enough friends around here to pull that kind of crap yet. That's why I decided to jump on his back about it and hopefully knock him down a few pegs. "

With the above annotations added to the text it is clear that:

a) I made claim stating that it was your actions in this thread that resulted in me flaming you and that I was no longer prejudiced against you for the way you conducted yourself under your nuker alias.

b) I supported this claim by specifically making reference to exactly what actions provoked the seemingly aggressive reaction you received from me.

c) I then re-affirmed that it wasn't your place to be flaming newer members because you held neither the respect or the moral authority to do so.

First off, you started all of this, by attacking me when I did absolutely nothing to directly provoke you. Please, tell me how that makes me the one who "spilled over" the argument into other threads.

Also, before you even say anything about the sidewinder thing in the goodbye thread, I did not say that from anything in this thread, I was saying that all based on what I saw in the thread and I was backing up a guy that did absolutely nothing to provoke any kind of response like that from you.

I don't see why I have to gain respect from you to flame other people. You cannot act like your actions are made on behalf of the entire forum. You know this by now that your opinion is not the opinion of the entire forum.

I will admit that I was once as bad as them, but there is a prime difference: PEOPLE CHANGE, I changed, as I evidenced above, and people will flame them until they change, too. The same exact way I entered the forums. Just because I was once there dosen't mean I am required to sympathise for them. They will learn themselves.

I'm not going to argue that I started all of this because it's true. That's the smartest thing that you've written over the past two days and the sad thing is you're just stating facts, not drawing some well-thought-out conclusion that was the product independent thought. I did - as I've stated numerous occassion and you've failed to acknowledge each time- have a reason for flaming you. Just to refresh your memory, it was because I felt that it was out of place for a member who has only just started to be accepted as a positive member of this community, to give a newbie crap when you were in the same position only six months ago. The thing is you've come a small way since then but enough to be dishing it out as severely as you do. I don't really care if anyone else is going to call you out for it, but I'm not going to let it slide with out barking up about it.

p.s. If you want to continue to defend sidewinder you can post in the flamerz thread I created regarding him.

If you are going to argue that you substantiate yourself, then substantiate your claim that you substantiate yourself. You did not do that in any part of your earlier reply, so referring to it is useless. If you would like to specifically point out where you substantiated yourself on this claim, feel free to point it out and if it really does prove your point, I will honestly back down from this argument.

By refuting the five points that I was able to deduce as both your's and Stat's line of arguement I demonstrated that I was capable of substantiating my claim. When I've argued and evidenced five points made against me, claiming that I substantiate my own points is a self-fulfilling arguement. Now, as promised I will annotate my entire reply to stat's post highlighting my pretext (bold, italics), claims (italics), supporting evidence for each claim (bold), disclaimers (underline, bold) and conlusions (underlined):

Like you can accuse anyone of holding grudges. You stalk me through every flamerz thread taking potshots at a single line out of a whole post. Troll more. Now, you may have noticed in a recent flamerz thread that an opportunity for me to flame Doh came to head and instead of flaming him, I decided to joke around with him. This wasn't me getting over a grudge as much as it was me taking on your point the last time you accused me of holding grudges. After thinking about what you said when everyone cooled off, I actually decided to give everyone who I've given a hard time a second chance and do my part to make the DGNF forum a more pleasant place to post.

Now, off the top of my head I can think of a handful of members who I've really grilled over the past year including Nod Fanatic, Doh, Apple23 and few others. I figured if they couldn't give them another run and they couldn't give me a reason to flame them anymore, I could at least be civil to them (and possibly even be nice to them). I've already mentioned that Doh and I have been on good terms and there have pleanty of opportunities in this section of the forum for any existing grudges to prevail but they haven't, because as I've already mentioned, I've been doing my best to drop them. Nod Fanatic will also confirm to you that I have been relatively civil towards him recently. I haven't singled him out in flamerz threads and I've responded to a few of his posts outside flamerz, I've even joked around with him a bit. So at this stage we've established that the I'm not nearly as good at hold grudges as you seem to think I am and I can, in fact, be pretty fair when it comes to giving people another shot. At this point I'm guessing you're wondering why I've decided to hold a grudge against apple23 or why apple has been the exception from my effort to give my old grudges a second chance. The truth is he isn't an exception and I haven't decided to hold a grudge:

My reaction towards apple23 in this thread was dictated soley by his behaviour in this thread and not by his actions when he posted under his nuker alias. I must admit it's a terribly difficult thing to do because the only difference I've really seen in his posts since he changed accounts is he actually proof reads his posts now. It doesn't usually do him much good because the content, at least in this section of the forum, hasn't changed much at all. Nevertheless, I decided to cut him some slack and I didn't give him any stick in the other recent flamerz threads until our arguement from this thread spilled over; due to him. The problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them. He hasn't earned enough respect and he doesn't have enough friends around here to pull that kind of crap yet. That's why I decided to jump on his back about it and hopefully knock him down a few pegs.

With regards to the anon neg rep, I honestly didn't intend to not sign it. Sometime I forget to sign my reps, both postive and negative. Besides, if you think about it why would I not sign my neg rep? It's certainly not because I'm afraid of being slapped with a revenge rep, I sign the one's I give you and cop the punitive reputation hit from you. If I was trying to go anonymous I would've repped him a few days later and would've said something completely our of character. I realize there are pleanty of points which you could hold me to account for and I'll be happy to debate them if you respond to me in a civil manner. Hopefully both you and apple23 realize that the above explanation takes a fair bit of steam out of the horrendously inaccurate party line both you two and all my enemies seem to tow:

1) I tell people what I think for them and then fail to substantiate myself. If I haven't done so in past posts I'm pretty sure the above explanation dismiss' any claims of that nature.

2) My massive ego (and it is massive) inhibits my ability to acknowlged a good point when it is made. Clearly, my decision to drop the grudges I've held against a few members for a long time was influenced by a solid point Stat made against me in flamerz. Even though I didn't admit he was right at the time I took it on as I've already explained.

3) I neg rep people without a reason. I'd be seriously impressed if you could name a reason why I wouldn't sign the rep hit I gave apple23.

4) I hold grudges. Yeh sure, I do, Stat does, everyone does, but the one's I've held on this board I've made a huge effort to drop.

Edtiage:

5) By listing your arguements and discrepencies you've mounted against me I have demonstrated that I understand what you're saying but I simply don't agree with it.

Now, I'd appreciate it if anyone who decided to respond to this section of my post will respond to entire paragraphs instead of taking single lines out of context to make me look like a moron. Apple23, if you want me to do annotate this entire response showing where I've made claims and where I've substantiated them, I'd be more than happy to do so. I would've references more posts and instances to evidence my explanation but I'm only going to do that if someone deems it neccessary.

I forgot to mention that all the text that hasn't been altered provides context for the rest of the arguement. I must admit I actually had a little trouble breaking this down because the structure of a first person response to a stimulus is a tad different from a historical paper, an english paper, a geographical report or an economics paper. It's not as set in stone as any of the styles of writing that I'm accustomed to producing on a weekly basis. Nevertheless, I've broken it down and I'm more than willing to attach further annotation explaining how each piece of highlighted text fits it's classificaiton. Honestly though, the only reason I can see you taking me up on that is because you're purposely chewing up my time. I honestly can't see how could accuse me of not making a point and substantiating when I've broken it down that much for you. Mind, I was a little surprised when you accused me of not doing substantiating myself - particularly in my previous post - in the first place.


As I've said before, I will give you credit that you have appreciated a good point before. The thing that really annoys me is that you brush off all of my good points with some cop-out like "I'm not even going to bother", or "that's just stupid" I have thus far replied to every point you make in your replies, so I really think you should do the same.

Ah, you see that's where bias kicks in! You know I'm capable of taking on board what other people say, you just don't like it that you've failed to produce a point worthy of my acceptance and that's where your ego comes into the equation. Come to think of it, the fact that you've continued to argue in the face of logic and have responded to quotes missing critical passages of texts tends to indicate that you just won't admit that you're fighting a downhill battle. Don't you dare argue that I've done the same because I've explained myself every time I thought I could have been mistaken for taking somehting you've said out of it's original setting; whether you've agreed with me or not.

Read all the arguments in your recent flame threads and you may be able to realise the amount of prejudice you flame me with, particularly in the sg500 thread.

The sg500 thread was over 9 months ago - are there any more skeleton you want to drag up out of the closet or shall we get back on topic? I consider the three active topics in flamerz to be current, if you refer to anything else you're just grave digging. Not to mention that I only attacked you in this thread and all our encounters in other threads I consider to be spill-over, despite what you say.

Go ahead and post every claim in regards to this recent argument that you have substantiated. If you can actually show that it substantiates it and how it substantiates your claim, I will back down.

Done, and I've already said I'll go into even more detail if I need to. I was exceptionally good at all this kind of stuff when I was in high school and I'm even better at it now that I'm at university. I'll be impressed if you can argue that the various passages of text that I classified as claims and supporting are something else.

Even if they were the same type of response, they were made in completely different contexts. In the same argument that you replied to those two points, you said that I took stuff out of context, but essentially replying to both those points could only mean that you took the comments out of context.

If you can explain both the original context and exactly how responding to them together to save time somehow altered their meaning from their original context - I'm all ears.

You gave your opinion as far as your reasons for behaving the way you did, but you never really stated what I did to provoke you. You said that you thought I wasn't in 'authority' to flame someone, and that's a step in the right direction to evidencing your claim that you aren't holding grudges against me, but even your saying that I can't be flaming new guys becuase I was there once goes back to how I was back then, thus going back to your holding grudges

If you don't think I gave my reasons and try to over-simplfy my explanation in that manner you can shove the thought of my trying to reason with you up your arse. I'll just return to jumping on your arse with all my buddies and repping you every time I you post something I deem wrong or stupid. If I can't reform your way of thinking through reason (due to your stupidity, not my inability to convey a point), I'll just bully you at every opportunity. It's worked on other's in the past and it won't be as nearly as much fun for you as it will be for me.

I never said that you Never evidence any of your claims, I was pointing towards a specific, ongoing insult you constantly throw at me with little evidence to the claim. You always play that "i'm smarter than you and you're an idiot" card whenever you need an insult to throw at me. Needless to say it has little to no avail.

Yes, you did:

You say you back your arguments up, but you have never, ever backed up your "I am more intelligent than you" argument, which is the only real argument you have. Not once.




Ah shucks will you look at that! God bless the quote function! Now, I'm going to repeate something I've said earlier in the thread, again, for your benefit; I never compared your intelligence to mine. I made a joke when I intially refuted that went roughly under the lines of "there's nothing to compare", but that's about it.

There. I just did it quite a few times. Want some more?
State a post where it was (and still is) necessary for me to evidence my claim and I didn't. I'll clear it up for you.

No, you really didn't. Oh and condescending to me will get you nowhere because I really don't give a flying **** what you think I know I'm smarter than you (there you go, I played the "I'm smarter than you card). I mentioned earlier in this thread how I was experiencing this incredible sense of de ja vu because your style of arguement and your distorted take on what's logical reminded me of Nod Fanatic's old style of flaming. Given this astonishing sense of nostalgia you're style of "arguement" has evoked within me, I thought it'd be appropriate to impart upon you two of the replies I shot at NF when he was talking down to me in the exact same manner you are now (read them):

I'm eighteen years old, I graduated from highschool in the the top five per cent of my class and I'm getting exceptional grades at university. The reason why I'm listing my credentials is I wanted to point out that I didn't get them by "missing the point" and "being wrong" as regularly as you seem to think I am. I'm not going to have some fourteen year old little runt - plagued by teenage angst - who thinks he's right before he's even read the post he is about to address, think he's somehow got an edge over me.

NF offered some level of "refutation" to my initial post and I responded with this:

Just to make things perfectly clear in that thick fog that occupies your head- I think the fact that I'm an extremely well educated individual gives me greater appreciation of both the intended and unintended meanings of most texts than the average individual. Now, I know you and your buddies humour each other with the idea that the type of education I've recieved has only made me "good with words", but this simply isn't the case. In my current field of study, to get good results, you have to be able to respond to stimulus with a sound arguement in orderto achieve the top result. I achieve the top results. This means I'm capable of acquiring a clear understanding of a text and responding with valid points, probably more so than your average fourteen year old. Education is all about thought processes and life skills, it's about learning how to learn. So to answer your initial question, I think I am perfectly capable to pick up on the intended and unintended (apparently) meanings in your posts and respond with valid points.

P.S. I know I'm having the biggest wank here but sometimes you need a dash of reality to put things in perspective.

Even though it tends to be the same people, it still remains that every time since this one that you bring up this silly grudge against me, you end up making a total douchebag out of yourself. Nobody really won, and the thread never really ended (it just died), but the sg500 thread is a perfect example

There, I hope that clears a few things up. Anyways, thanks for the great read, I enjoyed replying to that, and I honestly, sincerely apologise for whatever it is that you deemed necessary to hold against me, even from my nuker days. (But I'm not backing down just yet, this is not over quite yet)


I've already explained multiple times now that your recent behaviour renewed my grudge towards you that was dead and buried around the same time the sg500 (approixmately). I'm start to feel like a broken record, I hate having to explain myself to idiots who just can't read over and over again (talk about de ja vu). I can't say I've enjoyed this as much as you seemed to have, probably because you thought you were right before you bothered reading what I had to say every time you responded. Stay the **** out of flamerz.

[SunnyInc.]

Oops double post.

[Statalyzer]

That one post you have is still a double post. :p

3) I neg rep people without signining them. I'd be seriously impressed if you could name a reason why I wouldn't sign the rep hit I gave apple23.I can't guess at your reasons. But you've got a fair point, since you've always to my knowledge signed yours before, you have always been quick to fairly point out when someone you disagree with is right about something, and you haven't gone on a rep war in quite a while so that does lend a lot of credibility to your claim that you're trying to drop grudges. OTOH, going out of your way to "flame" me for posting a silly picture because takes away some of that.

I personally almost never sign mine, but that includes the positive ones too, because I think giving rep simply b/c you got rep is silly, so this way I don't either get revenge-repped, or thankyou-repped, but only based on the things I post. If other people think differently I can understand, but it's a bit irksome when people make a post just to say "OMG who just gave me that rep!"

he problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them.

I see your point there. The thing is that it doesn't seem like you goton him because he flamed some idiot who he was once just as bad as. He mostly didn't flame the guy, just tried to reason with him about people's differing levels of intelligence at school (although he should have known that would be futile). Only one line - "And ease up on the &$*%in @&# &#^$ :flame::flame::flame::flame:smileys won't you?" - was really a flame.

And he clearly wasn't trying to imply in his next post that going to a public school meant anything, he was just pointing out the fact that he didn't go to primary school. It actually looks like he thought you were serious when you insulted him by saying that. :uhh: Guess it went over his head.

[apple23]

You know what I love most about this part of your response is the quote you used as stimulus was taken so far out of context it's not even funny. You basically split a paragraph, that was building towards one point into two and responded to each half as independent entities. Here is the full paragraph in which I have highlighted the claim (italics), supporting evidence (bold) and conclusion (underlined):

"My reaction towards apple23 in this thread was dictated soley by his behaviour in this thread and not by his actions when he posted under his nuker alias. I must admit it's a terribly difficult thing to do because the only difference I've really seen in his posts since he changed accounts is he actually proof reads his posts now. It doesn't usually do him much good because the content, at least in this section of the forum, hasn't changed much at all. Nevertheless, I decided to cut him some slack and I didn't give him any stick in the other recent flamerz threads until our arguement from this thread spilled over; due to him. The problem I had with apple in this thread is that he seems to think he has the leverage to criticize and flame every idiot that posts in here when he was once just as bad as them. He hasn't earned enough respect and he doesn't have enough friends around here to pull that kind of crap yet. That's why I decided to jump on his back about it and hopefully knock him down a few pegs. "

With the above annotations added to the text it is clear that:

a) I made claim stating that it was your actions in this thread that resulted in me flaming you and that I was no longer prejudiced against you for the way you conducted yourself under your nuker alias.

b) I supported this claim by specifically making reference to exactly what actions provoked the seemingly aggressive reaction you received from me.

c) I then re-affirmed that it wasn't your place to be flaming newer members because you held neither the respect or the moral authority to do so.


The only reason my actions gave you reason to flame me is because you are still holding a grudge. The fact that you are referring to the nuker days to try to say that I have no authority to flame is bringing up a past grudge. That is way in the past.

My actions did not provoke you. You may have seen reason to flame me for what I said, but that does not necessarily mean that I provoked you. For a statement to be provokative it must:

1) Be directed at the person concerned.
-I did not direct the statement to you at all
2) Have something contained in the comment directly intended to incite a response
-While I may have said something provokative in my later statements after you began flaming me, I said nothing provokative to you in my first response.

And also, once again, you are not in any position youself to be declaring my position on these forums. Your opinion is not the opinuion of the forum. If I have to make it any more obvious than it is now I will, but I'm not sure if I can find any other way to get it through to your thick head.


I'm not going to argue that I started all of this because it's true. That's the smartest thing that you've written over the past two days and the sad thing is you're just stating facts, not drawing some well-thought-out conclusion that was the product independent thought. I did - as I've stated numerous occassion and you've failed to acknowledge each time- have a reason for flaming you. Just to refresh your memory, it was because I felt that it was out of place for a member who has only just started to be accepted as a positive member of this community, to give a newbie crap when you were in the same position only six months ago. The thing is you've come a small way since then but enough to be dishing it out as severely as you do. I don't really care if anyone else is going to call you out for it, but I'm not going to let it slide with out barking up about it.

Maybe it dosen't seem so because of how long you've held this grudge against me, but 6 months is alot of time. Half of a year. Not only that, but it has been alot longer than that since the nuker days and the last clash we had. People can change, and when they do, they should recieve no flack whatsoever for thier actions in the past. The fact that you still bring up my actions in the past to give you reason to flame me (think about it for a little bit, essentialy that's all you're doing) means you are bringing up grudges, no matter if it was this post that made you think about it, the fact remains that you are bringing up my actions way in the past- thus meaning you are holding a grudge.

You want me to support that claim any more than I just did? I'd be happy to.

p.s. If you want to continue to defend sidewinder you can post in the flamerz thread I created regarding him.
in case you didn't notice, I did.



By refuting the five points that I was able to deduce as both your's and Stat's line of arguement I demonstrated that I was capable of substantiating my claim. When I've argued and evidenced five points made against me, claiming that I substantiate my own points is a self-fulfilling arguement. Now, as promised I will annotate my entire reply to stat's post highlighting my pretext (bold, italics), claims (italics), supporting evidence for each claim (bold), disclaimers (underline, bold) and conlusions (underlined):
I forgot to mention that all the text that hasn't been altered provides context for the rest of the arguement. I must admit I actually had a little trouble breaking this down because the structure of a first person response to a stimulus is a tad different from a historical paper, an english paper, a geographical report or an economics paper. It's not as set in stone as any of the styles of writing that I'm accustomed to producing on a weekly basis. Nevertheless, I've broken it down and I'm more than willing to attach further annotation explaining how each piece of highlighted text fits it's classificaiton. Honestly though, the only reason I can see you taking me up on that is because you're purposely chewing up my time. I honestly can't see how could accuse me of not making a point and substantiating when I've broken it down that much for you. Mind, I was a little surprised when you accused me of not doing substantiating myself - particularly in my previous post - in the first place.

The entire quote is in italics, bold/underlined or not... that doesn't help your argument one bit...

Anyways, the truly sad thing is, excepting the 5 points (which I had separate arguments to) I agreed with that passage in that you substantiated yourself, even if I had arguments against it. You seem to think that whenever I refute an argument of yours, it's about that argument. No. We have multiple different points flying around this thread. If can't see that, then you'd best start packing your bags to leave this thread.

Nonetheless, you did substantiate yourself and support your claim. You did well, substantiating yourself in the argument that you substantiate yourself, thus I will respectfuly back down from that argument.

Ah, you see that's where bias kicks in!
In this context, Bias = grudge.

You know I'm capable of taking on board what other people say, you just don't like it that you've failed to produce a point worthy of my acceptance and that's where your ego comes into the equation. Come to think of it, the fact that you've continued to argue in the face of logic and have responded to quotes missing critical passages of texts tends to indicate that you just won't admit that you're fighting a downhill battle. Don't you dare argue that I've done the same because I've explained myself every time I thought I could have been mistaken for taking somehting you've said out of it's original setting; whether you've agreed with me or not.

First off, it's your ego. Having such a "Holier-than-thou" attitude - as KO put it - points to your ego, and your arrogance, and the fact that both cloud your reasoning sometimes. If my post is worthy of your attention, then every passage in it is worth your attention. Simply ignoring passages that were critical to my overall argument means that I defeated you on some point and you can't admit it. The only reason I have left out a paragraph or two from your responses is because the paragraph did not pertain to me or denote any sort of response (usually the former, though)

You can't win a debate by attempting to substantiate yourself (which is what you tried to do) by saying that you are better than the other person. It just dosen't work that way; I'm sure you know this by now.

Name a significant post where I left out a critical passage that you feel I should have responded to.

And also, a cop-out like "I'm not even going to bother..." Does not substantiate yourself or explain why you ignored the passage.

The sg500 thread was over 9 months ago - are there any more skeleton you want to drag up out of the closet or shall we get back on topic? I consider the three active topics in flamerz to be current, if you refer to anything else you're just grave digging. Not to mention that I only attacked you in this thread and all our encounters in other threads I consider to be spill-over, despite what you say.

It's still recent enough to support my claim, seeing as the same old argument has not changed with you. You are more or less bringing skeletons out of your closet by bringing up this grudge and the crap happening in other threads is spill over that you started.

Done, and I've already said I'll go into even more detail if I need to. I was exceptionally good at all this kind of stuff when I was in high school and I'm even better at it now that I'm at university. I'll be impressed if you can argue that the various passages of text that I classified as claims and supporting are something else.

As I said before, you have finally proven that you substantiate your claims. I have backed down from this argument for now.

If you can explain both the original context and exactly how responding to them together to save time somehow altered their meaning from their original context - I'm all ears.

In the first context, i was dismissing your comment because you missed the point. In the second context, I was dissmissing your comment because you ignored it. They are similar contexts, indeed, but mostly what took them out of context is that they were each a reply to an individual statement, each refined to pertain to thier respective subjects. Grouping two replies together when they respond to two very different comments and both replies said different things is taking them out of context. I'd also like to point out that I mainly made the second statement to point out to you that you were dissmissing a critical point in my argument, which can really only mean one thing; it defeated yours somehow.

If you don't think I gave my reasons and try to over-simplfy my explanation in that manner you can shove the thought of my trying to reason with you up your arse. I'll just return to jumping on your arse with all my buddies and repping you every time I you post something I deem wrong or stupid. If I can't reform your way of thinking through reason (due to your stupidity, not my inability to convey a point), I'll just bully you at every opportunity. It's worked on other's in the past and it won't be as nearly as much fun for you as it will be for me.

You have failed to reason with me because you have thus far failed to really refute any of my arguments. Yes, I did back down from the "you don't back your claim" argument, but other than that, you still have long yet to make a claim that completely defeats my arguments and actually back it up well enough.

Let's just put it this way; if I can't refute your statement, then I will abck down from the argument, otherwise, keep trying harder.


Yes, you did:

Ah shucks will you look at that! God bless the quote function!
Actually no I didn't. read the damn post you are replying to, then read the post you are referring to. you will see that one says that I didn't say you never back up any of your arguments, i said you never backed up that argument.

Now, I'm going to repeate something I've said earlier in the thread, again, for your benefit; I never compared your intelligence to mine. I made a joke when I intially refuted that went roughly under the lines of "there's nothing to compare", but that's about it.

Maybe not exclusively in this thread, but look a little harder. Not hard to see all the low-flying insults you throw at me in every reply.

No, you really didn't. Oh and condescending to me will get you nowhere because I really don't give a flying **** what you think I know I'm smarter than you (there you go, I played the "I'm smarter than you card).

You actually insulted yourself there and (ovbiosuly) contradicted yourself, not to mention left the comment wide open for me to insult you again.

But nonetheless, your "I'm better than you" attitude, and the "I don't give a ****" attitude are both pretty idiotic ways to be in a debate. If you can't refute someone's argument without referring to the "I'm better than you" or "I don't give a ****" crap, you aren't going to get anywhere in this debate.

I've already explained multiple times now that your recent behaviour renewed my grudge towards you that was dead and buried around the same time the sg500 (approixmately). I'm start to feel like a broken record, I hate having to explain myself to idiots who just can't read over and over again (talk about de ja vu). I can't say I've enjoyed this as much as you seemed to have, probably because you thought you were right before you bothered reading what I had to say every time you responded. Stay the **** out of flamerz.

Bingo. You just refuted your own argument. You just right there admitted that you are bringing up past grudges. If you weren't still holding a grudge against me you could have easily not said anything about my flaming the new guys, and if it wasn't for your old grudge, this mess wouldn't have been brought back up.

And once again, you seem to think you have some kind of authority over me. You have no such authority over me, and thus trying to portray yourself as having such is useless and only makes you look even more stupid.

Anyways, way to take that comment way, way, way out of context.

[Daishi]

Ah, the memories.

[apple23]

In case you didn't know, spam rules still apply in flamerz, and this is kind of a flame war that you just stepped right in the middle of, you know...

[SunnyInc.]

The only reason my actions gave you reason to flame me is because you are still holding a grudge. The fact that you are referring to the nuker days to try to say that I have no authority to flame is bringing up a past grudge. That is way in the past.

I've come to a conclusion - you failed comprehension in primary school!

My actions did not provoke you. You may have seen reason to flame me for what I said, but that does not necessarily mean that I provoked you. For a statement to be provokative it must:

1) Be directed at the person concerned.
-I did not direct the statement to you at all
2) Have something contained in the comment directly intended to incite a response
-While I may have said something provokative in my later statements after you began flaming me, I said nothing provokative to you in my first response.

Already admitted I started things off, again, I probably shouldn't expect you to know that seeing as you failed your comprehension tests in primary school and all. Also, you don't need to address someone directly to provoke them - get your definitions right.

And also, once again, you are not in any position youself to be declaring my position on these forums. Your opinion is not the opinuion of the forum. If I have to make it any more obvious than it is now I will, but I'm not sure if I can find any other way to get it through to your thick head.

I'm in every position to be delcaring your position on the forum. As an intelligent, socially ept forum goer who has been an active member of this community for a couple of years I have a pretty good idea where most members stand. By the way, kudos to you on criticizing me for "not getting the point", it made me laugh out loud.

Maybe it dosen't seem so because of how long you've held this grudge against me, but 6 months is alot of time. Half of a year. Not only that, but it has been alot longer than that since the nuker days and the last clash we had. People can change, and when they do, they should recieve no flack whatsoever for thier actions in the past. The fact that you still bring up my actions in the past to give you reason to flame me (think about it for a little bit, essentialy that's all you're doing) means you are bringing up grudges, no matter if it was this post that made you think about it, the fact remains that you are bringing up my actions way in the past- thus meaning you are holding a grudge.

You want me to support that claim any more than I just did? I'd be happy to.

Again, I'm not going to bother because, heh, well, you're a semi-illiterate moron with the comprehension skills of a refrigerator. I say "semi-illiterate" because you've demonstrated you can write, albeit drivel, but you've failed to convince me you can read.

The entire quote is in italics, bold/underlined or not... that doesn't help your argument one bit...

Anyways, the truly sad thing is, excepting the 5 points (which I had separate arguments to) I agreed with that passage in that you substantiated yourself, even if I had arguments against it. You seem to think that whenever I refute an argument of yours, it's about that argument. No. We have multiple different points flying around this thread. If can't see that, then you'd best start packing your bags to leave this thread.

Nonetheless, you did substantiate yourself and support your claim. You did well, substantiating yourself in the argument that you substantiate yourself, thus I will respectfuly back down from that argument.

"Blah, blah, blah! Sunny can't read!"

:lol:

In this context, Bias = grudge.

"Blah, blah, blah! Sunny put another word in my head which is now my word of the day!"

First off, it's your ego. Having such a "Holier-than-thou" attitude - as KO put it - points to your ego, and your arrogance, and the fact that both cloud your reasoning sometimes. If my post is worthy of your attention, then every passage in it is worth your attention. Simply ignoring passages that were critical to my overall argument means that I defeated you on some point and you can't admit it. The only reason I have left out a paragraph or two from your responses is because the paragraph did not pertain to me or denote any sort of response (usually the former, though)

You can't win a debate by attempting to substantiate yourself (which is what you tried to do) by saying that you are better than the other person. It just dosen't work that way; I'm sure you know this by now.

Name a significant post where I left out a critical passage that you feel I should have responded to.

And also, a cop-out like "I'm not even going to bother..." Does not substantiate yourself or explain why you ignored the passage.

"Blah, blah, blah! You're missing some of my points Sunny, because of your ego!"

I could've sworn we already covered this one....

It's still recent enough to support my claim, seeing as the same old argument has not changed with you. You are more or less bringing skeletons out of your closet by bringing up this grudge and the crap happening in other threads is spill over that you started.

"Blah, blah, blah! I know more about what Sunny thinks of people than he does! And blah, blah, blah! I going to use the exact same analogy Sunny did because I LIKE TO MIMIC EVERYTHING HE SAYS."

As I said before, you have finally proven that you substantiate your claims. I have backed down from this argument for now.

"Blah, blah, blah! I'm a little wanker!"

In the first context, i was dismissing your comment because you missed the point. In the second context, I was dissmissing your comment because you ignored it. They are similar contexts, indeed, but mostly what took them out of context is that they were each a reply to an individual statement, each refined to pertain to thier respective subjects. Grouping two replies together when they respond to two very different comments and both replies said different things is taking them out of context. I'd also like to point out that I mainly made the second statement to point out to you that you were dissmissing a critical point in my argument, which can really only mean one thing; it defeated yours somehow.

"Blah, blah, blah! Grouping both the quotes together didn't damage the contexts they were taken out of but blah, blah, blah I'm going to make a big deal out of it anyways so I can at least be right about something!"


You have failed to reason with me because you have thus far failed to really refute any of my arguments. Yes, I did back down from the "you don't back your claim" argument, but other than that, you still have long yet to make a claim that completely defeats my arguments and actually back it up well enough.

Let's just put it this way; if I can't refute your statement, then I will abck down from the argument, otherwise, keep trying harder.


"Blah, blah, blah! Did I mention that I failed comprehension in primary school?"

Actually no I didn't. read the damn post you are replying to, then read the post you are referring to. you will see that one says that I didn't say you never back up any of your arguments, i said you never backed up that argument.

"Blah, blah, blah! Even though I said the "smart card" was the only agruement you have and that you never back it up - thus, inferring that you never back up your only arguement - I'm going to argue semantics anyways because I can't win a point on anything of substance blah, blah, blah, blah, blah"

Maybe not exclusively in this thread, but look a little harder. Not hard to see all the low-flying insults you throw at me in every reply.

"Blah, blah, blah! SKELETONS!"

You actually insulted yourself there and (ovbiosuly) contradicted yourself, not to mention left the comment wide open for me to insult you again.

But nonetheless, your "I'm better than you" attitude, and the "I don't give a ****" attitude are both pretty idiotic ways to be in a debate. If you can't refute someone's argument without referring to the "I'm better than you" or "I don't give a ****" crap, you aren't going to get anywhere in this debate.


"Blah, blah, blah! Time to whip take one line out of an entire paragraph and whip out yesterday's word of the day - the other word sunny put in my head and I've been beating it to death ever since - HYPOCRITE!"

Bingo. You just refuted your own argument. You just right there admitted that you are bringing up past grudges. If you weren't still holding a grudge against me you could have easily not said anything about my flaming the new guys, and if it wasn't for your old grudge, this mess wouldn't have been brought back up.


No, I said that your recent behaviour renewed my attitude towards you after giving you a second chance. The whole "second chance" thing I was explaining before kind of nullified any old feelings regarding your past actions. It's the same type of grudge, but it's not the same grudge I think would be the best way of summing up my last four or five posts. Oh hang on I meant:

"Blah, blah, blah! Comprehension tests are for losers anyays!"

And once again, you seem to think you have some kind of authority over me. You have no such authority over me, and thus trying to portray yourself as having such is useless and only makes you look even more stupid.

Anyways, way to take that comment way, way, way out of context.


"Blah, blah, blah! CONTEXT! Blah, blah, blah I'm JUST AS COOL AS YOU!!!!"

As you may have noticed I'm not really taking you that seriously anymore becausse the way I see it, acknowledging someone that dumb will only encourage them to spew out more retarded crap. Seriously, as EGI said, repeating yourself doesn't make your arguement any more convincing or tangible. The thing that put me off this thread is you're punching well above your weight and you don't even realize how fantastically outdone you are. I'm wasting my time with you and now I'm going to do what I should've done earlier and stop giving you the credit of replying to your bull****.

Edit: I put the last part in bold to make sure everyone read it, because you pretty much just repeated what I said. There's no prize for second place, champ.

[apple23]

Wow, dude. You've just far surpassed all the stupidity in the entire forum in that one post. I'm not even going to grace this pathetic drivel with a real response.

Sunny, you just basically owned yourself there. I'm not even going to continue on here...

[Nod Fanatic]

Wow, dude. You've just far surpassed all the stupidity in the entire forum in that one post. I'm not even going to grace this pathetic drivel with a real response.
From what I've seen you haven't yet done that.

[SunnyInc.]

From what I've seen you haven't yet done that.

Epic win.

[apple23]

*EDIT no.3*

Alright then. I tried to make reason with this moron, and it still hasn't gotten through his think head, so I'm done here. Anyone that wants to contiune on this pathetic drivel is welcome to do so, but don't expect a reply from me.

And also, Sunny. Seriously. I just owned you and you know it.

[Gaucho8788]

*EDIT no.3*

Alright then. I tried to make reason with this moron, and it still hasn't gotten through his think head, so I'm done here. Anyone that wants to contiune on this pathetic drivel is welcome to do so, but don't expect a reply from me.

And also, Sunny. Seriously. I just owned you and you know it.

I'm sorry but that is probably one of the most childish replies I have ever seen.