Whats Next?

[Cylon Crusader]

Ok, so over the past couple of years 2 tiberium universe games have come out for CNC, and another one in the works (CNC: Tiberium). A red alert game is due out this year as well.

So what do you think will be the next CNC game?

Personally, I think that after RA3 it will be and RA3 expansion and then maybe they will come back to the Generals universe.

What do you think?

[apple23]

I don't know, but somehow I got the nagging sense that EA won't come back to the generals universe. Even they must have heard all the complaints about it "not being a true CNC game" (I agree that it didn't feel CNC, but it was still an incredible game). They will probably release RA3 on red October, possibly an expansion pack, and then TIBERIUM, but I haven't any ideas where they will take the series after that. I just hope that they do a damn good job at RA3, and they tie TIBERIUM in with the rest of the Tiberian universe well, and wouldn't it be great if they came up with an awesome name for it?

[Cylon Crusader]

Yeah, even though Generals wasn't considered CNC, it still was a good game on its own.

[Quadhelix]

I don't know, but somehow I got the nagging sense that EA won't come back to the generals universe. Even they must have heard all the complaints about it "not being a true CNC game" (I agree that it didn't feel CNC, but it was still an incredible game). That could be alleviated, at least a little, by giving one of the sides a ConYard system and replacing Supply Docks with some form of resource field like Ore or Tiberium.

In fact, given the "Ore" Docks in the upcoming RA3, the supply docks might not even need to be changed.

[Derek]

Yeah, but then you're destroying the things that made Generals and ZH actually good RTS games.

[Quadhelix]

Yeah, but then you're destroying the things that made Generals and ZH actually good RTS games. Not necessarily, although it would take a great deal of effort, perhaps more than EA is willing to put forth.

One side would use a ConYard/Surveyor/Supply Collector system, similar to the sides in Tiberium Wars, or to the Allies in RA3 (where their Surveyor is also their Supply Collector). Another side would use a Dozer/Supply Collector system, like the USA and China in Generals. The GLA would still use a Worker system, as they did in Generals.

Again, this could take a great deal of effort to balance, but it would add a new level of variety to the game, and help to make each side that much more distinct in terms of gameplay.

[Derek]

No, that would still destroy whats good about Generals and ZH. Its not about faction balance either.

[Quadhelix]

No, that would still destroy whats good about Generals and ZH. Its not about faction balance either. You mean because, "a dozer/worker system is essential for a great RTS (http://forums.cncden.com/showpost.php?p=375094&postcount=50)"? That's my idea: the ConYard/Surveyor syestem would, in a sense, be a variant of the Dozer system, as the Surveyors take the role of Dozers. The Player would start with a Surveyor, and the ConYard would not provide ground control, forcing the Player to deploy his Surveyor to actually build structures.

The Surveyors should either deploy instantly but permanently, or take time to deploy but with the option of being repacked later. Which version is used would depend on just what the game designer is trying to achieve.

[Derek]

Instant pop up buildings are just not an option for Generals. Neither are buildings that can't be harrassed during construction.

[starscream007]

Whats next?

Well there is always the possibility of a Red Alert FPS game (that isnt a mod, although when Tiberium comes out Im sure the mods will get cracking to make a Red Alert universe mod), a Generals 2 could also be possible and also a possible GDI only expansion pack for CnC 3. In addition we already know that an expansion is planed for RA 3

[Quadhelix]

Instant pop up buildings are just not an option for Generals. Neither are buildings that can't be harrassed during construction. As All Stars and the RA3 preview demonstrate, a ConYard system does not necessarily preclude a long "build up" period.

Also, in Generals, American structures would auto-heal while GLA structures would be rebuilt automatically when destroyed. Therefore, it would not be too much of an unfair advantage for one side to have fairly weak structures that can be deployed quickly (instantly or otherwise) anywhere on the map within range of a deployed Surveyor. This faction's structures would have less than half the health of their counterparts in the other factions, but would make up for it with their flexibility and rapid placement (and perhaps marginally reduced cost).

[apple23]

off current topic:

What's next in the CNC/RA universe?

Cows that shoot RA2 cowshots :p
(you would have to have modded for the game to understand that joke)

[Quadhelix]

What's next in the CNC/RA universe?
Well, let us "see." The armies of Nod, save the Marked of Kane, have supposedly been all but eliminated. However, Nod now has the Tacitus.

Furthermore, the Scrin are preparing a "full invasion" whether we see that in Tiberium or the as yet unannounced C&C4 remains to be seen.

[Bouncing Ball]

Ok, so over the past couple of years 2 tiberium universe games have come out for CNC, and another one in the works (CNC: Tiberium). A red alert game is due out this year as well.

So what do you think will be the next CNC game?

Personally, I think that after RA3 it will be and RA3 expansion and then maybe they will come back to the Generals universe.

What do you think?

I would asume a generals 2, although I greatly hope they bring it as 'Generals 2' and not 'C&C: Generals 2'..

For the rest I think the C&C universe will collapse. There is no easy way expanding the RA story beyond 3 as C&C beyond kane's wrath.

Bringing RA and C&C together would really help the universe, but then they will need a hell of a storyline :yummy:

[Quadhelix]

There is no easy way expanding the RA story beyond 3 as C&C beyond kane's wrath.
I don't know about Red Alert 3, but Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath both leave a lot unanswered:

Who or what is Kane? What happened to LEGION at the end of Kane's Wrath? What about the Scrin invasion that Overlord has ordered? From where did the Scrin come? What was the Tacitus, and who created it? What is Ascension? What is the ultimate fate of the Earth? Who are the Final Five Cylons? Was Killian Qatar pregnant with General Granger's love child?

...I got a little carried away there.


Bringing RA and C&C together would really help the universe, but then they will need a hell of a storyline :yummy: Best bet: ignore RA2 and RA3. Their general wackiness does not fit the overall serious, even dire, atmosphere of the Tiberium series of games.

[Avapodnaught]

I don't know about Red Alert 3, but Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath both leave a lot unanswered:

Who or what is Kane? What happened to LEGION at the end of Kane's Wrath? What about the Scrin invasion that Overlord has ordered? From where did the Scrin come? What was the Tacitus, and who created it? What is Ascension? What is the ultimate fate of the Earth? Who are the Final Five Cylons? Was Killian Qatar pregnant with General Granger's love child?

...I got a little carried away there.

The Final Five don't exist as important people we know, but more as... people in Baltar's dreams?
He's had a lot of creepy dreams you know...

LEGION... LEGION... if its the computer I think to be it either was sent through the portal with the Marked of Kane army or got left behind to oversee Nod's plans on Earth training soldiers, staying stealthed, etc

[Quadhelix]

LEGION... LEGION... if its the computer I think to be it either was sent through the portal with the Marked of Kane army or got left behind to oversee Nod's plans on Earth training soldiers, staying stealthed, etc That's the thing: it is impossible to tell what happened at the end of Kane's Wrath. LEGION connects to the Tacitus and then something happens. The problem, of course, is that there is no clear indication of what that "something" is.

Did LEGION upload himself into the Scrin's communications network? Did he physically move himself or simply transfer his programing? If the latter, is there still a copy of LEGION back on Earth? Do Earth-LEGION and Star-LEGION communicate with one another? Did LEGION actually "leave" Earth at all, or is it accessing the Scrin's communications network from Earth, much the way that I am accessing the Internet from home right now? Did Kane actually send an army through the Threshold Tower, or is LEGION the only thing sent?

All of these questions are vital to the understanding of the end of Kane's Wrath, and yet, to my knowledge, none of them are answered.