Gemma Atkinson In Red Alert 3 News

[Vindicare]

Just submitted this as news but for those of you who don't know... the insanely attractive Gemma Atkinson will be playing Lt. Eva in RA3! For those of you who don't know who she is... http://www.gemmaatkinson.tv/gallery.htm

The link to this news is here -http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gemma_Atkinson_In_Red_Alert_3_13608_7373_0.htm (http://www.totalvideogames.com/news/Gemma_Atkinson_In_Red_Alert_3_13608_7373_0.htm)

I apologize if this is old news.

[starscream007]

A bit disappointed that Athena Massey wasnt pick to reprise the role but oh well.

[Bouncing Ball]

nothing on imdb yet..

however....she doesn't make a bad allied officer at all.. (http://tweakers.net/ext/i/1218022369.jpg)

[Vindicare]

This seems like a good casting choice...I just want to see who they get for Tanya and if Natasha "Gina" talks with a really bad accent or not.

[zgtrman97]

Red Alert 2 was released in 2000...it is 2008...all the cast of that game have moved on. Maybe Athena was offered the role..but she declined. Kari has not confirmed either way as yet.

[apple23]

It's really annoying me that so far 90% of all the casting characters we have seen are Girls made out to be sexy and hot.

It's a ****ing computer game, not a porno teaser!!!

Look at it, her clothes are split down to middle to show her cleavage. WTF!!!

I just hope that Tanya actually looks like a commando, like she did in RA1 and RA2 (kind of), and not some half-naked girl with pistols!

[Vindicare]

Apple.....you find beautiful and sexy women annoying? :wtf: heh I know what you mean though. Can you honestly expect any different though? They did this with RA2 also.

"It's a ****ing computer game, not a porno teaser!!!"

SEX SELLS and almost everyone is buying :)

[The Llama King]

One question.

Real or fake?

[starscream007]

Red Alert 2 was released in 2000...it is 2008...all the cast of that game have moved on.


So, Peter Cullen reprised his voice role of Optimus Prime in the live action movie last summer and the original Transfomers was in the 80s.

[Quadhelix]

I read on PlanetCnC that she is a lingerie model; does she have any qualifications beyond that?


It's really annoying me that so far 90% of all the casting characters we have seen are Girls made out to be sexy and hot. My philosophy is that, if the game is good, you can add as much sex as you want, as long as it complements the atmosphere (sexy had no place in Tiberium Wars, but it fits with Red Alert 3's less sombre setting). If the game is not good, then don't try to compensate by stuffing it to the gills with sex.

In other words, sex itself is not a problem. The real problem is bad games using sex to boost sales.


So, Peter Cullen reprised his voice role of Optimus Prime in the live action movie last summer and the original Transfomers was in the 80s.
True, but Transformers is a major franchise, and since many people grew up watching Transformers, the show has become something of a cultural icon. The movie was definitely set up to be a "blockbuster" and a quick look at Peter Cullen's IMDB page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0191520/) shows that he has not been in anything nearly as big in years.

According to Athena Massey's IMDB biography page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003182/bio), Ms. Massey is currently producing a comic, which presumably occupies a good portion of her time and which she mostly likely finds more appealing than resuming an old role in which she may or may not have been interested.

[apple23]

Apple.....you find beautiful and sexy women annoying?

In a video game, I do.

heh I know what you mean though. Can you honestly expect any different though? They did this with RA2 also.

As far as that goes, I would rather see similar things to the RA2 faces.
RA2 was not oversexed. The girls were hot, sure, but they weren't dressed like they were trying to show it off.

Plus, there was a balance of characters, both male and female. I don't play a game to watch sexy girls in the FMVs, I play the game to play the actual game and the missions!

"It's a ****ing computer game, not a porno teaser!!!"

SEX SELLS and almost everyone is buying :)

Sex does not sell a game for me. It needs great gameplay, both singleplayer and multiplayer, cool missions, and (as an extra) well-done breifing videos.

Sure, a hot girl or two never hurts, but dressing them scantily or making thier clothes specifically designed to show thier bodies is not very attractive in a video game, in my opinion.

Seriously, when you are playing a game like CNC you are thinking about the mission and the task at hand, not scantily dressed commandos and officers. Thier prescence in such an environment is (to me) quite annoying.

I would MUCH rather see Athena Massey back than this Gemma Atkinson. This girl looks kind of slutty...

She is a freaking lingerie model (dunno if i spelt that right) for god's sake! She has no place in the RA scene.

[thetechieotaku]

It's really annoying me that so far 90% of all the casting characters we have seen are Girls made out to be sexy and hot.

It's a ****ing computer game, not a porno teaser!!!

Look at it, her clothes are split down to middle to show her cleavage. WTF!!!

I just hope that Tanya actually looks like a commando, like she did in RA1 and RA2 (kind of), and not some half-naked girl with pistols!

lol. When will EA be decent on their casting character's costumes?!! Yeah. The costumes of the casting character in RA2 turned me off to play the campaign. BUT if the Lt. Eva will wear the SAME costume as on the link, I will only play the Soviet Campaign....

[Quadhelix]

I would MUCH rather see Athena Massey back than this Gemma Atkinson. This girl looks kind of slutty...

She is a freaking lingerie model (dunno if i spelt that right) for god's sake! She has no place in the RA scene. I looked up Gemma Atkinson's IMDb page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1074432/), and she apparently does have qualifications beyond being a lingerie model. Albeit, she is not nearly as qualified as James Earl Jones, Michael Ironside, Michael Biehn, but she does at least have some actual acting experience.

[pipinowns]

I looked up Gemma Atkinson's IMDb page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1074432/), and she apparently does have qualifications beyond being a lingerie model. Albeit, she is not nearly as qualified as James Earl Jones, Michael Ironside, Michael Biehn, but she does at least have some actual acting experience.

She's probably going to be pretty bad. Because even good actors do quite bad in these games, but I've always had a love for British women.

I just wish EA did better...

[apple23]

me too...

[crystal_sword]

I agree with apple.
There are a lit of slack jawed simple folk who may like some of these things, but most people want gameplay.

CnC is probably one of the few games Fans are just intrested in the GAMEPlAY and Missions, and maybe a good online mode. People dont get much time these days to play games alot, so when they play, they want to enjoy the game, not other nonesense.

Which is why RA1 was such a massive hit, Ra2 was okay, yet most RA1 fans did not even buy it seeing as it seemed as a slap in the face, RA3 will really be taking the cake if it carries on like this,

[pipinowns]

I agree with apple.
There are a lit of slack jawed simple folk who may like some of these things, but most people want gameplay.

CnC is probably one of the few games Fans are just intrested in the GAMEPlAY and Missions, and maybe a good online mode. People dont get much time these days to play games alot, so when they play, they want to enjoy the game, not other nonesense.

Which is why RA1 was such a massive hit, Ra2 was okay, yet most RA1 fans did not even buy it seeing as it seemed as a slap in the face, RA3 will really be taking the cake if it carries on like this,

RA3 > RA2 > RA1

Tiberian Sun > Tiberium Wars > Tiberian Dawn

Its True...Red Alert 1 was pretty bland. Tesla Coils and Dogs pwned but that was it. Red Alert 2 was amazing. And Red Alert 3 (Or at least the beta) is the best Command and Conquer besides Tiberian Sun.

Unless EA really screws up the campaign, this should be a great game.

[Morph]

RA3 > RA2 > RA1

Tiberian Sun > Tiberium Wars > Tiberian Dawn

Its True...Red Alert 1 was pretty bland. Tesla Coils and Dogs pwned but that was it. Red Alert 2 was amazing. And Red Alert 3 (Or at least the beta) is the best Command and Conquer besides Tiberian Sun.

Unless EA really screws up the campaign, this should be a great game.

I completely disagree.

I would put RA1 and the original Command and Conquer above any other game in the series as far as raw gameplay value goes, IMO.

Red Alert 2, while still a good game, in my opinion incorporated too many unrealistic things - especially in Yuri's Revenge. Mind-controlling armies, attack squids, etc - while I don't think it was a bad game by any means, I do think that it's FAR different from what the original Red Alert was. RA was made to be realistic for the events that happened and as such it incorporated realistic units.

I think that EA is getting far off that track.

And, while I don't think that RA3 is a bad game, I don't have that C&C feeling like I used to. It feels much more like another RTS than another installation in the C&C franchise.



The same can be said for the Tiberium franchise, although I do think that Tiberium Wars has a lot more of that C&C feel than does RA3.

Just my opinion.

[pipinowns]

I completely disagree.

I would put RA1 and the original Command and Conquer above any other game in the series as far as raw gameplay value goes, IMO.

Red Alert 2, while still a good game, in my opinion incorporated too many unrealistic things - especially in Yuri's Revenge. Mind-controlling armies, attack squids, etc - while I don't think it was a bad game by any means, I do think that it's FAR different from what the original Red Alert was. RA was made to be realistic for the events that happened and as such it incorporated realistic units.

I think that EA is getting far off that track.

And, while I don't think that RA3 is a bad game, I don't have that C&C feeling like I used to. It feels much more like another RTS than another installation in the C&C franchise.



The same can be said for the Tiberium franchise, although I do think that Tiberium Wars has a lot more of that C&C feel than does RA3.

Just my opinion.

The original Command and Conquer didn't have skirmish.

Anyone who says its the best is just saying its a "Classic" and so on.

Who cares? Its not as fun as the other games.

Also the silly elements like mind control is the reason why Red Alert 2 and 3 are better then bland and boring WWII games.

[Commander Dave]

Well that gemma is quite the little hottie be careful , she could melt

the north pole very nice ! i can take orders from her oh yeah!


But for sure i do want a real good tanya also not the

rumored and dreaded Jenny McCarthy she just does not do it

for me if she ends up playing Tanya :flame:

[Morph]

The original Command and Conquer didn't have skirmish.

Anyone who says its the best is just saying its a "Classic" and so on.

Who cares? Its not as fun as the other games.

Also the silly elements like mind control is the reason why Red Alert 2 and 3 are better then bland and boring WWII games.

Yeah, a skirmish mode definitely would have been nice - but I really enjoyed both the storyline and the single player action. That game and RA multiplayer is what got me hooked on RTS games.

It is a classic, but I also think it was one of the better games, especially for the time. I still enjoy busting it out and playing it every now and then.

And again, it's all personal opinion. You say tomatoes, I say tomatoes. (Yeah, kind of loses its flavor online, but you get the idea :p)

Also, I think that some more realistic elements made C&C and RA interesting - tiberium and tesla technology, for example. They are realisticish and tesla technology incorporated into every battle was sweet.

And yes, I know they still have that, but I feel like it's been overshadowed by other strange things. Like mechs with laser eyes :)

[apple23]

I would put RA1 and the original Command and Conquer above any other game in the series as far as raw gameplay value goes, IMO.
Sure, RA was a good game. It was very innovative and one of the first RTS games of its time. However, it lacks the depth and balance and many, many, many of the new features that modern RTS games have.

I play RA from now and then for old time's sake, but I personally think that RA2 and TS have much more depth and strategy in them.

Red Alert 2, while still a good game, in my opinion incorporated too many unrealistic things - especially in Yuri's Revenge. Mind-controlling armies, attack squids, etc - while I don't think it was a bad game by any means, I do think that it's FAR different from what the original Red Alert was.
I was kind of surprised to see these things in contrast to the first RA, but really, It isn't that unrealistic. Yeah, utilising tesla technology as a weapon is pretty through the roof, same with prism technology, things like mind control are not necessarily plausible, but possible. Same with animals like the giant squids and dolphins, even though I don't exactly agree with teh concept of having animals like those in a war game.

RA3, believe it or not, is actually more realistic in its technologies than RA2 was. I have proof of it too.

I think that EA is getting far off that track.
I couldn't agree with you more, however, I actually kind of like the new turn the game is taking.

Cannot stand the storyline, though. the RA3 story makes no sense at all.

And, while I don't think that RA3 is a bad game, I don't have that C&C feeling like I used to. It feels much more like another RTS than another installation in the C&C franchise.

The same can be said for the Tiberium franchise, although I do think that Tiberium Wars has a lot more of that C&C feel than does RA3.

Just my opinion.

I see what you mean, here. I liked the CNC feel to CNC3/KW, but it seems that the RA universe is not even CNC, and I never really considered it a part of CNC.

Well that gemma is quite the little hottie be careful , she could melt

the north pole very nice ! i can take orders from her oh yeah!


But for sure i do want a real good tanya also not the

rumored and dreaded Jenny McCarthy she just does not do it

for me if she ends up playing Tanya :flame:

I'm really getting tired of this... can you please, for the love of god, try to post with at least decent grammar and sentance structure?!?

Please?

Pretty please with sugar on top?

[thetechieotaku]

Sorry guys but I think that GAMEPLAY would still be a plus factor for me. I don't want to see those "hot" actresses on my screen! That would be a minus factor -- for me..

[Vindicare]

Nobody has even made the comment that the inclusion of attractive women would some how compensate for game play. There is no excuse for poor game play and there is no acceptable alternative for it.

Ok and beautiful women are a minus factor for you...unfortunately I can probably never understand why by that's fine your entitled to that opinion.

[thetechieotaku]

Nobody has even made the comment that the inclusion of attractive women would some how compensate for game play. There is no excuse for poor game play and there is no acceptable alternative for it.

Ok and beautiful women are a minus factor for you...unfortunately I can probably never understand why by that's fine your entitled to that opinion.

I don't always look on the outside. I look into her values. Physical appearance is only second for me. Plus EA should dress actresses to look as if she's a REAL commando not a commando that looked like as if s/he came from a porn video!

[Vindicare]

"I don't always look on the outside. I look into her values."

Uh...lol are you serious? Shes an actress in a GAME...your not marrying her.

"Plus EA should dress actresses to look as if she's a REAL commando not a commando that looked like as if s/he came from a porn video!"

Westwood didn't so why would EA? and trust me I've seen a few porn videos and these women aren't dressed anything like that. You guys are really getting worked up over nothing.

If this game was C&C Tiberium wars I would 100% agree with you. The Red Alert series (save for the first) is over the top crazy and exaggerated. Its not like these girls are getting naked. Ah well like I said we prob wont change each others minds on this.

[apple23]

Have a look at the headline news article. EA has officially announced that RA3 is porn, basically...

Or at least that Gemma will be a pornstar in this game...

[thetechieotaku]

"I don't always look on the outside. I look into her values."

Uh...lol are you serious? Shes an actress in a GAME...your not marrying her.

"Plus EA should dress actresses to look as if she's a REAL commando not a commando that looked like as if s/he came from a porn video!"

Westwood didn't so why would EA? and trust me I've seen a few porn videos and these women aren't dressed anything like that. You guys are really getting worked up over nothing.

If this game was C&C Tiberium wars I would 100% agree with you. The Red Alert series (save for the first) is over the top crazy and exaggerated. Its not like these girls are getting naked. Ah well like I said we prob wont change each others minds on this.
Sorry. I was not able to see what you mean before .... Yes attractive women are just fine. But EA should see their decency meter first (neat, not-so-neat, etc.)!

[apple23]

I really hate it when people think that RA3's "saturday matinee" atmosphere gives EA permission to turn its cast into pornstars. Just because the game dosen't have such a dark and gritty feel to it, dosen't mean you can just tear off all the women's clothes!

[Vindicare]

I really hate it that people take a game so seriously and cant enjoy a beautiful women. EA has permission to do whatever they want. I also hate that people are so uptight that they think because a girl looks sexy shes a "pornstar" This is a gross and unfair exaggeration.

The fact that people are even upset about this is a testament to absurdity.
It has no effect on gameplay whatsoever and if you think its going to be some free for all "porn" FMV you obviously haven't been playing games long enough to know that that wont happen.

Save for a few generes and a few games almost every game seems to have women that are scantily clad and this is the first instance I've seen people make such a big deal about it. I've encountred femenists who protest less.

If it bothers you so much than either A. Don't buy the game. B. skip the FMV's or C. Continue to whine about something so insignificant to no avail because EA isn't going to change a thing. I mean seriously out of all the things you can worry about pertaining to a games release(bugs, imbalence, etc.), you guys find this to be a flashpoint?!

[Ivan_Moscavich]

I really hate it that people take a game so seriously and cant enjoy a beautiful women. EA has permission to do whatever they want. I also hate that people are so uptight that they think because a girl looks sexy shes a "pornstar" This is a gross and unfair exaggeration.

The fact that people are even upset about this is a testament to absurdity.
It has no effect on gameplay whatsoever and if you think its going to be some free for all "porn" FMV you obviously haven't been playing games long enough to know that that wont happen.

Save for a few generes and a few games almost every game seems to have women that are scantily clad and this is the first instance I've seen people make such a big deal about it. I've encountred femenists who protest less.

If it bothers you so much than either A. Don't buy the game. B. skip the FMV's or C. Continue to whine about something so insignificant to no avail because EA isn't going to change a thing. I mean seriously out of all the things you can worry about pertaining to a games release(bugs, imbalence, etc.), you guys find this to be a flashpoint?!

Except, the chicks are pornstars, at least, former porn stars, there is a reason we say it, it is because it's true.

And to the guy who mentioned something about properly dressed commandos.
Well, first you'd need proper commandos, proper commandos work in teams of 5 to 7.
There are no one man army commandos.

[CADTC]

I don't know why you guys can't enjoy sexy women in games such as Red Alert. We have to wait before we can judge the women in the games.

[Vindicare]

"Except, the chicks are pornstars, at least, former porn stars, there is a reason we say it, it is because it's true."

What they have done formerly has no bearing on this game. Especially since some of the users here find porn so disgusting how should they even know they are (former) pornstars? Once again I reiterate, this game will have NO pornographic type scenes in them. The game I believe may be rated T so who cares? One of the FMV actors may have a criminal record and may play a bad guy in the FMV's....I guess that means they will commit a horrible crime during the cutscnenes and corrupt the fragile psyches of gamers too right?

"And to the guy who mentioned something about properly dressed commandos.
Well, first you'd need proper commandos, proper commandos work in teams of 5 to 7.
There are no one man army commandos."

Truth. Since nothing in this game is real or even semi-realistic How about we just enjoy it for what it is? A game meant for entertainment value.

[CADTC]

I agree with you. The past is NOT the present. What if they were former porn stars? They could have changed their attitudes by now.

[Quadhelix]

What they have done formerly has no bearing on this game. Especially since some of the users here find porn so disgusting how should they even know they are (former) pornstars? Once again I reiterate, this game will have NO pornographic type scenes in them. The game I believe may be rated T so who cares? One of the FMV actors may have a criminal record and may play a bad guy in the FMV's....I guess that means they will commit a horrible crime during the cutscnenes and corrupt the fragile psyches of gamers too right? You, like many on both sides of the issue, seem to misunderstand the problem with them being former porn stars. The problem is not, as you seem to think, that they we are somehow offended by their former career, or that we feel that the game will be "pornographic." The problem is that, after having James Earl Jones and Michael Ironside in these games, it's a little disappointing to see actors and actresses whose only real acting experience is making grunting noises and pretending to be interested in sex.

[Statalyzer]

SEX SELLS and almost everyone is buying

Sex does sell, but I doubt that has much to do with why people buy C&C.

The girls were hot, sure, but they weren't dressed like they were trying to show it off.

In RA2? Yes they were.

RA3, believe it or not, is actually more realistic in its technologies than RA2 was. I have proof of it too.

:doped:

[Ivan_Moscavich]

"Except, the chicks are pornstars, at least, former porn stars, there is a reason we say it, it is because it's true."

What they have done formerly has no bearing on this game. Especially since some of the users here find porn so disgusting how should they even know they are (former) pornstars? Once again I reiterate, this game will have NO pornographic type scenes in them. The game I believe may be rated T so who cares? One of the FMV actors may have a criminal record and may play a bad guy in the FMV's....I guess that means they will commit a horrible crime during the cutscnenes and corrupt the fragile psyches of gamers too right?

"And to the guy who mentioned something about properly dressed commandos.
Well, first you'd need proper commandos, proper commandos work in teams of 5 to 7.
There are no one man army commandos."

Truth. Since nothing in this game is real or even semi-realistic How about we just enjoy it for what it is? A game meant for entertainment value.

I agree with you. The past is NOT the present. What if they were former porn stars? They could have changed their attitudes by now.


You both misunderstand my post.
I was stating that we call them pornstars because they were porn stars. That doesn't mean we're disgusted by it, we're simpily stating the fact that they were porn stars at one point in time.

I personaly don't care that they were former porn stars, I'm playing the game to play the game, so my attention will be on the units I have under my command.

and QuadHelix, I agree after having actors like Ironsides, it is kind of sad to see EA just bringing in more porn stars.

[Vindicare]

"You, like many on both sides of the issue, seem to misunderstand the problem with them being former porn stars. The problem is not, as you seem to think, that they we are somehow offended by their former career, or that we feel that the game will be "pornographic." The problem is that, after having James Earl Jones and Michael Ironside in these games, it's a little disappointing to see actors and actresses whose only real acting experience is making grunting noises and pretending to be interested in sex."

As I seem to think? The only arguments put forth have been that the girls are "sluts" and EA is "oversexing" the game (save for your first post in this thread but obviously none of my posts were directed to you). The fact is no one here is a mind reader and what a person writes = what they write (not always what they are thinking). We do not have the luxury of being in front of one another, we are using the internet as a medium, therefore you can not just write something and expect people to know what you mean when it is different than what you have written.

Its impossible to misunderstand something that was never stated. You are the first person to mention the acting aspect of the problem which I could understand being valid (though I personally don't care). The three main people making the most noise about it (apple, pipin, and thetech) have never mentioned acting all they have made is comments about how the women are to attractive for the game/clash with the atmosphere etc.

I think you may be the one misunderstanding the argument.

"Sex does sell, but I doubt that has much to do with why people buy C&C."

That was a general statement to point out almost every product including videogames use sex as a marketing device.

"That doesn't mean we're disgusted by it, we're simpily stating the fact that they were porn stars at one point in time."

My comment was not directed at you. It was for apple and thetech who were highly offended by the fact they were involved in adult entertainment (i.e. apple calling them sluts and thetech saying they were basically morally devoid) not to mention how upset they got that the site I linked had an adult ad all the way at the bottom, but to be fair I warned of this.

[apple23]

As I seem to think? The only arguments put forth have been that the girls are "sluts" and EA is "oversexing" the game (save for your first post in this thread but obviously none of my posts were directed to you). The fact is no one here is a mind reader and what a person writes = what they write (not always what they are thinking). We do not have the luxury of being in front of one another, we are using the internet as a medium, therefore you can not just write something and expect people to know what you mean when it is different than what you have written.

Its impossible to misunderstand something that was never stated. You are the first person to mention the acting aspect of the problem which I could understand being valid (though I personally don't care). The three main people making the most noise about it (apple, pipin, and thetech) have never mentioned acting all they have made is comments about how the women are to attractive for the game/clash with the atmosphere etc.

I think you may be the one misunderstanding the argument.

First of all, the figure of speech "as you seem to think" implies that the person is judging your general opinion on how you present yourself in regards to it. Quadhelix was responding your post where you talked about us saying that they were pornstars. I was actually overexaggerating a bit to get my point across, but it is partially true, and I am dissappointed to see great actors succeeded by (former) pornstars with little experience.

Also, I want to make this perfectly crystal clear, because you have misunderstood this part of my argument the whole way through(Everyone has):

I DO NOT Have a problem with hot women in the FMVs of video games. My problem DOES NOT HAVE ANYHTING TO DO WITH them being hot or attractive women. I would love to see hot and/or attractive women in my video games, that is just fine. My problem IS the way EA dressed them and made them look. It is not attractive. It looks slutty and whorish. I haven't seen enough to judge a whole lot about much more than Gemma Atkinson, but so far that is the only person I have judged in such a way.

That was a general statement to point out almost every product including videogames use sex as a marketing device.

It is true that sex appeal helps to sell a game, and exploiting that in a subtle way is fine with me, But not the way EA is doing it.

My comment was not directed at you. It was for apple and thetech who were highly offended by the fact they were involved in adult entertainment (i.e. apple calling them sluts and thetech saying they were basically morally devoid) not to mention how upset they got that the site I linked had an adult ad all the way at the bottom, but to be fair I warned of this.

The only time I even mentioned the ads was a little warning to thetech, who said he didn't want to see such ads.

So now I would like to reiterate that it is not hot and sexy women that is my problem, it is hot and sexy women dressed in clothes that are not attractive and look overlysexy, especially if it clashes with the atmosphere and the mood of the game. If the girls are subtle about thier sexiness and act like regular officers with just that subtle twinkle in thier eye that is fine with me. Like I said, I have no problem with a little sex appeal, it is just when they are so blatant about it that it ruins the mood and the atmosphere.

[Vindicare]

I am well aware of what "as you seem to think" means. I added the question mark because I felt it to be pretty condescending when I was responding to what was written not what was implied.

"I am dissappointed to see great actors succeeded by (former) pornstars with little experience."
Pretty much the first time you have stated this clearly. Gemma has also been in a few television shows and Jenny has been in a few shows and movies as well...are they good.....ehhh thats a matter of opinion but to say that those bigger named actors did such a phenomenal job would just be ridiculous as the level of cheese in the cutscenes has always been through the roof.

"I DO NOT Have a problem with hot women in the FMVs of video games. My problem DOES NOT HAVE ANYHTING TO DO WITH them being hot or attractive women."

Second page first post on page.
"Apple.....you find beautiful and sexy women annoying?"
In a video game, I do.

"My problem IS the way EA dressed them..."
Westwood had Zofia in a skintight leather body glove that left nothing to the imagination. Tanya (Kari) wore a tank top and did numerous interviews being very seductive and scantily clad to promote the game. Lt. Eva in one scene in RA2 (though brief and not really revealing) is seen getting dressed. Both Tanya and Lt. Eva hit on you at the end of the Allied campaign. At the end of the Soviet campaign Zofia asks you to "keep her warm on those cold Siberian nights" I mean give me a break this has been prevalent through out the series for a while.

"If the girls are subtle about thier sexiness and act like regular officers with just that subtle twinkle in thier eye that is fine with me."

Just a personal side note NO officer I have ever encountered has been what you just described.....*sigh* maybe Iv'e just been unlucky heh....well I guess to be honest a supply Lt. I knew was pretty attractive but she frightend me....:freek:

[CADTC]

You both misunderstand my post.....
....I'm playing the game to play the game, so my attention will be on the units I have under my command.

well, I did not say that you are disgusted by it. Anyway, I really care a little about their past life. I really want to know how they will look like on the FMVs. I agree with knowing the units under your command. You can tell how the units should be commanded to get them kicking butt.

[apple23]

I am well aware of what "as you seem to think" means. I added the question mark because I felt it to be pretty condescending when I was responding to what was written not what was implied.

How can you respond to what was written? The whole point is making meanings out of the words and replying to the meaning you made out of those words. And the phrase "As you SEEM to think" DIRECTLY implies that they are replying to what they thought you meant. If their meaning is different than yours, then you need to clarify.

Pretty much the first time you have stated this clearly. Gemma has also been in a few television shows and Jenny has been in a few shows and movies as well...are they good.....ehhh thats a matter of opinion but to say that those bigger named actors did such a phenomenal job would just be ridiculous as the level of cheese in the cutscenes has always been through the roof.


The level of cheesiness is not the actor's fault, it is the producer's fault for writing a stupid script.


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"Apple.....you find beautiful and sexy women annoying?"
In a video game, I do.


Excuse me for not clarifying, but I was more referring to that I was unsatisfied with the way sex is presented in almost every video game. Sure RA2's cutscenes had a little sex appeal to them, I know that, but they were a little more subtle about it and the way the women were dressed and acted made them that attractive. It's like they are hot, and they know it, but they aren't trying to exploit that. That is my main problem with how sex appeal is incorporated in a game.

Westwood had Zofia in a skintight leather body glove that left nothing to the imagination. Tanya (Kari) wore a tank top and did numerous interviews being very seductive and scantily clad to promote the game. Lt. Eva in one scene in RA2 (though brief and not really revealing) is seen getting dressed. Both Tanya and Lt. Eva hit on you at the end of the Allied campaign. At the end of the Soviet campaign Zofia asks you to "keep her warm on those cold Siberian nights" I mean give me a break this has been prevalent through out the series for a while.

This goes back to what I said in my last post and what I just said in my last paragraph. Sure, Tanya wore a tank top, but it wasn't overly revealing and she didn't act in the cutscenes like she was trying to show anything off. Same with Zofia, sure the clothes were a little bit weird, but they definitely weren't revealing and she didn't act like it either. And interestingly enough, your counter-argument brought up one of the most perfect points to support my argument. That little hit on you that the girls make at the end of the campaign is a perfect example of what I would accept in the "sex appeal" of a video game. It is just that little thing, not exactly subtle, but they were cute about it, and it didn't really imply sex at all(to my memory).

[Vindicare]

"How can you respond to what was written? The whole point is making meanings out of the words and replying to the meaning you made out of those words. And the phrase "As you SEEM to think" DIRECTLY implies that they are replying to what they thought you meant. If their meaning is different than yours, then you need to clarify."

No, Words have a set and direct meaning it isn't what you make of them...its flatly what the definition is. The "as you seem to think" statement is valid if I misunderstood and argued something off point which I did not.

"The level of cheesiness is not the actor's fault, it is the producer's fault for writing a stupid script."

Right. Just because it isn't the actors fault doesn't make the way they come across any less unbelievable or cheesy. So the argument about bigger named actors is moot. They aren't bringing anything spectacular to the game other than their names if the script and presentation is still poor.

"..they were a little more subtle about it and the way the women were dressed and acted made them that attractive. It's like they are hot, and they know it, but they aren't trying to exploit that."

Once again I argue the point you have seen nothing but a few press release pictures and you are already worked up about it. You may very well be right that EA will exploit it and like I said if thats the case I will agree its annoying but def. not something that can't be overlooked.

"your counter-argument brought up one of the most perfect points to support my argument. That little hit on you that the girls make at the end of the campaign is a perfect example of what I would accept in the "sex appeal" of a video game. It is just that little thing, not exactly subtle, but they were cute about it, and it didn't really imply sex at all(to my memory)."

Zofia clearly implies sex. Tanya and Lt. Eva don't but they were still looking very attractive and it was unnecessary if you want to go by atmosphere standards. I still think it was great and added a nice little personal touch.
What you just said here fully supports what I am saying as well, you are ASSUMING something that hasn't been confirmed. As I said just because they show a few sexy press photos of Gemma DOES not mean its going to be inappropriate.

[Ivan_Moscavich]

You know, it is fairly pointless to argue about what is in the scenes of the game.

BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT NO ONE OUT SIDE OF THE CAST AND CREW HAVE DONE SO.

Honestly, you're all arguing like children. This is abosultely pointless.

[Vindicare]

You do realize thats what forums are for right? To discuss argue and give different opinions. If you have nothing constructive to add and you don't like whats being said....there is a really complex and kinda out there solution....DONT READ THE THREAD.

[apple23]

"How can you respond to what was written? The whole point is making meanings out of the words and replying to the meaning you made out of those words. And the phrase "As you SEEM to think" DIRECTLY implies that they are replying to what they thought you meant. If their meaning is different than yours, then you need to clarify."

No, Words have a set and direct meaning it isn't what you make of them...its flatly what the definition is. The "as you seem to think" statement is valid if I misunderstood and argued something off point which I did not.

"The level of cheesiness is not the actor's fault, it is the producer's fault for writing a stupid script."

Right. Just because it isn't the actors fault doesn't make the way they come across any less unbelievable or cheesy. So the argument about bigger named actors is moot. They aren't bringing anything spectacular to the game other than their names if the script and presentation is still poor.

"..they were a little more subtle about it and the way the women were dressed and acted made them that attractive. It's like they are hot, and they know it, but they aren't trying to exploit that."

Once again I argue the point you have seen nothing but a few press release pictures and you are already worked up about it. You may very well be right that EA will exploit it and like I said if thats the case I will agree its annoying but def. not something that can't be overlooked.

"your counter-argument brought up one of the most perfect points to support my argument. That little hit on you that the girls make at the end of the campaign is a perfect example of what I would accept in the "sex appeal" of a video game. It is just that little thing, not exactly subtle, but they were cute about it, and it didn't really imply sex at all(to my memory)."

Zofia clearly implies sex. Tanya and Lt. Eva don't but they were still looking very attractive and it was unnecessary if you want to go by atmosphere standards. I still think it was great and added a nice little personal touch.
What you just said here fully supports what I am saying as well, you are ASSUMING something that hasn't been confirmed. As I said just because they show a few sexy press photos of Gemma DOES not mean its going to be inappropriate.


Instead of continuing this argument right now, when both of our knowledge of the topic is limited, i'll make you a deal. Hwen the game releases and I buy it, I'll play the missions and see the cutscenes. If they look really bad and the girls look skanky or whorish, then I will continue to support my opinion. If they at least make the cutscenes good and they aren't oversexed or anything, I'll shut up. Because you are right in one thing; we don't know yet exactly what the cutscenes will be like, so it is quite pointless to argue about them because we probably have completely different ideas about what the cutscenes will look like.


Until then, I don't want to continue this because I have if anything realised that this argument will go endlessly in a never ending circle of inevitable misunderstandings.

[Ivan_Moscavich]

You do realize thats what forums are for right? To discuss argue and give different opinions. If you have nothing constructive to add and you don't like whats being said....there is a really complex and kinda out there solution....DONT READ THE THREAD.

Pardon my french, but no ****ing ****. I'm well aware what the forums are for.

The point I am trying to make is that you can't hold a point on either side of this arugment because at this point in time, no one has enough information to back either side.

You can not comment on their acting in the game, you havn't seen it yet.

I'm saying either drop this argument, or delay it untill you have something tangible to argue about.

[Vindicare]

"You can not comment on their acting in the game, you haven't seen it yet."

I never did and thats the point I was making yet I didn't resort to calling people names or labeling them childish.

"I'm saying either drop this argument, or delay it untill you have something tengiable to argue about."

We do have tangible things to argue about. Hence why this thread has reached 5 pages. Though the rhetoric may get turned up we still respect each others right to say whatever we please, so don't tell us what we can and can't write about.


EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn6oXhpkP-0 WOW watch the cast reveal trailer and tell me it does not look great! Seems like a pretty awesome cast to me I mean The cast of Command & Conquer Red Alert 3 follows (in alphabetical order by last name): Gemma Atkinson (the UK's Hollyoaks), Tim Curry (Rocky Horror Picture Show, The Hunt for Red October), Andrew Divoff (LOST), Kelly Hu (X2, The Scorpion King), Jenny McCarthy (Scream 3, former Playboy Playmate of the Year), Ivana Milicevic (Casino Royale), Jonathan Pryce (Pirates of the Caribbean), J.K. Simmons (Spider-Man, Juno), Autumn Reeser (The OC), Peter Stormare (Prison Break, Armageddon), George Takei (Star Trek, Heroes), and two of the most recognizable names in competitive mixed martial arts Randy "The Natural" Couture (5 time UFC Heavyweight champion, Scorpion King 2) and Gina "Conviction" Carano (Undefeated Elite XC fighter, American Gladiators). I think they did an amazing job!

[Ivan_Moscavich]

"You can not comment on their acting in the game, you haven't seen it yet."

I never did and thats the point I was making yet I didn't resort to calling people names or labeling them childish.

"I'm saying either drop this argument, or delay it untill you have something tengiable to argue about."

We do have tangible things to argue about. Hence why this thread has reached 5 pages. Though the rhetoric may get turned up we still respect each others right to say whatever we please, so don't tell us what we can and can't write about.

Oh and to apple and whoever else, even though Tanya's in game model looks as if she wearing a bikini top the video here shows she will basically be wearing the same thing Tanya (Kari) did in RA2 http://www.ebgames.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=72434&affid=2500&WT.mc_id=081908eb That video seems buggy though as it doesn't work all the time and when it does... it freezes relatively fast.

I don't know why you brought up anything about name calling I said "No ****ing ****."

You can't argue about their acting in this game, that is what I was saying, by all means aruge about whatever else, the only part of this discussion I was refering to was the comments about their acting in the game, which would be impossible to draw a base argument from, since no one has seen the acting of them in the game besides those who work on the game.

[pipinowns]

They have shown a preview of the clips that will be in the games.

They look cool but cheesy.

Besides when Tanya is on screen I probably won't be cringing that much.

[Ivan_Moscavich]

They have shown a preview of the clips that will be in the games.

They look cool but cheesy.

Besides when Tanya is on screen I probably won't be cringing that much.

But how often can you judge an entire set of videos just by watching a few minutes?

[apple23]

Honestly, Ivan is totally right. We really don't have any idea what the FMVs will look like, so let's wait until we have something tangible to argue about. if you refer to my last post I pretty much said exactly that.

[pipinowns]

But how often can you judge an entire set of videos just by watching a few minutes?

Quite often.

I did it with the Tiberium Wars and Kane's Wrath.

Its like judging if a movie will be good from a trailer.

Its dreadfully easy and almost always correct.

[apple23]

But usually it is just a lucky guess. I still say drop it until we have seen the FMV in the game.

[Vindicare]

Agreed.

[Ivan_Moscavich]

Wisdom prevails yet again.

Also last word.

[apple23]

agreed.


















(hey I got the last word :p)

[Black Hand]

All the womes that have been chosen are really beautifull babes. J.McCarty is not longer a pornstar if I recall right. The others are really nice!!!:D