If not the Empire then who?

[starscream007]

Guess I shouldve asked this question awhile ago but if not the Empire of the Rising Sun as the third faction who would it be? A Middle Eastern Faction? China? South American Faction?

[nyarlathotep]

mad cultists who worship the great Cthulhu offcourse!

[Alpha and Omega]

It would be me. Me alone.

[Ivan_Moscavich]

How about some old fashioned Soviet vs Allies?

[Daishi]

The Protoss.

[shiner980]

It could always be Yuri again >.>. Or how about no 3rd faction? Well, I so badly wanna say the EU but they're part of the Allies xD. I'd then have to say...No matter what, it would've been a Asian nation, or group of asian nations, whether oriental or mid-eastern (I don't think people have the ability to twist the idea that South America/Africa has become some dominant military power)

[apple23]

If the empire didn't rise, then it would almost surely be a classic allies vs. soviets game. In this timeline, Yuri hasn't come around yet.

[Morph]

Africa.

[Alpha and Omega]

It doesn't have to be the Empire, they could've thrown in China or something. Even South America or Africa can be equalized by having a whole campaign devoted to the construction of that side's empire.

[Annihlator :D]

The Protoss.

:p

+rep


EDIT: ....if I could

[apple23]

But there's no other country that is so famous for its tons of stereotypes than Japan. EA just HAD to pick them, there wasn't much other choice.

Although I see your point A&O, I still think that it would probably have been empire or no third faction.

[Vindicare]

The Empire makes a lot of sense actually..since Red Alert has always played on an alternate WWII history then it would quite believable that Japan would establish itself as an Empire if American intervention in the pacific was not an issue. Since the Allies focused on battling the Soviets the Empire was left unchallenged to do as it will. Though their radically superior technology coming out of an isolationist nation is ludicrous in its improbability.

[Thumper]

allied intervention in the pacific? intervention on what? japan attacked out of nowhere thinking that the allies were preoccupied in europe and american forces were spread to thin.

i dont remember hearing the allies came to americas rescue in the pacific.

[Vindicare]

First I think you may have misread what I wrote...Secondly I think I am misreading what you wrote....

"allied intervention in the pacific? intervention on what? "

I said in an alternate time line where WWII never happened and the Soviets diverted all the attention to them then it could be probable Japan would be able to build its Empire if it had no one to oppose it. Therefore no pacific front and no defeat for Japan.

"i dont remember hearing the allies came to americas rescue in the pacific."

I don't know where you got this from...I never said that.

[apple23]

In other words- instead of cheap-shotting on an already weakened nation, the empire chooses to wait, sit back and enjoy the show while the last order of 10000 King Onis finishes.

[Vindicare]

In other words- instead of cheap-shotting on an already weakened nation, the empire chooses to wait, sit back and enjoy the show while the last order of 10000 King Onis finishes.

I dunno has it been confirmed that the Empire attacks America? I thought I read somewhere that the Empire attacks the Soviets first. I really have no idea may have to wait till Oct. to get that answer.

[Statalyzer]

If the USA was busy enough fighting Russia, it would probably not have cared enough about Indochina to sanction Japan over the occupation they started once the French lost control of the area. Of course, if the Soviets go back in time in RA3 and only fight the USA, not GB/France/Germany like in RA & RA2, then France probably holds on and Japan doesn't move into the area in the first place, so there might not even be anything to sanction Japan over.

That's what originally drove Japan to fight the USA. Our embargo of metals and oil meant their military would soon not be able to support itself, so they'd either have to withdraw from Indochina (ie SE Asia), slowly lose against China and have their economy ruined, or else move into the rest of the East Indies to gain control of the resources there - which would involve fighting at least the British plus the Phillipines and Guam are smack dab in the middle of things, which would thus bring the US in to the war and mean Japan would eventually be ground down by attrition. So they figured their only chance was to cripple the USA right away before we could start fighting back.

[Alpha and Omega]

So they figured their only chance was to cripple the USA right away before we could start fighting back.

So they attacked a major naval installation, but not any of our naval production industry...brilliant!

[Statalyzer]

So they attacked a major naval installation, but not any of our naval production industry...brilliant!

There wasn't really any way for them to get in striking range of the West Coast undetected - they were worried they wouldn't even make it in range of Pearl Harbor without being spotted.

[Alpha and Omega]

There wasn't really any way for them to get in striking range of the West Coast undetected - they were worried they wouldn't even make it in range of Pearl Harbor without being spotted.

I know, which is why they should've never attacked in the first place. They weren't guaranteed an American counter-attack in the South Pacific, UNTIL they attacked Pearl. Too many Americans were against entering the war for us to just up and go without direct physical provocation.

[Quadhelix]

I know, which is why they should've never attacked in the first place. They weren't guaranteed an American counter-attack in the South Pacific, UNTIL they attacked Pearl. Too many Americans were against entering the war for us to just up and go without direct physical provocation. Roosevelt had bluffed the Japanese, telling them that if they attacked certain colonies in the Pacific (the Dutch East India Company oil facilities in the Philippines, if memory serves me correctly), that America would counterattack. Roosevelt had no intention of counterattacking, but the Japanese did not know that, and they were rapidly running out of oil to run their military. They had to take the oil wells as soon as possible, as they had a limited supply and they would soon loose the option, but they first "had" to take out the American naval base in the region to prevent a potentially crippling counterattack.

They fact that the counterattack occurred only in response to their attempted preemptive strike is just one of history's little ironies.