perfact tactics against empair in small map

[Theomania]

here's a perfect tactics to beat empair in small map that your opponent will throw his hands into sky helplessly...
first you must use allis or soviet. suppose soviet.
at the begining, build a barrack then 4 bears, 6 guys with mines(i forget their name). send all of them torwards your opponent's site. at the same time build a reacter and drive your MCV torwards your opponent's site.
your bears will be able to clear all japan's infantry forces. than keep them at the door of japan's barrack, so anything comes out from there will go into the earth immediately....
now, there are only 2 ways to save japan. 1, use the gun on the collector.
the way to counter it: 2-3 guys with mine can kill a collector easily, or crush them with your MCV
2, build a defender. the way to counter it: guys with mines can eliminate before it's built (tested in infinite isle). and by the way, any building built by japan come out as car, perfect taget for mines...
3, jet tengus. But when bears come to barracks, the refinery is just complete...then engineer can capture the war factory before it's finished, or you can just eliminate it with mines

than your engineer can capture the barrack. and enjoy~

i use this tactics beating all 3 brutal AI and a friend perfectly in infinite isle (haven't tried in other maps, you can try). using either soviet or allis.
if you are an empair player and somehow find a way to counter this tactics, please tell me!

ah, by the way, moving your MCV is not necessary, you can well develop normally and than use sickles to finish the job.

[ChopBam]

You have 4 bears. What if the Empire builds 5 imperial warriors and kills all your bears?

[Theomania]

You have 4 bears. What if the Empire builds 5 imperial warriors and kills all your bears?

when you use sword, bear often wins, when you don't, i can roar:)
anyway, when my 3 bears come to your base in inifinity isle, you at best can have 3 WI, which take 5 second to build

[Derek]

Actually bears and IWs (with sword) always go 1-1. Also, you can't possibly have more bears than he has IWs since they have about the same build time and you have to travel across the map to reach him. Lastly, you're wrong about Flaks owning harvesters, he can just use the harvester gun to easily pick off your flak troopers, he won't be close enough for mines and the gun won't do enough damage.


This is not entirely useless however. Bear + Flak is the counter to a Dojo rush, in much the way you described: Camp the dojo with bears, kill it with flaks.

[Theomania]

Actually bears and IWs (with sword) always go 1-1. Also, you can't possibly have more bears than he has IWs since they have about the same build time and you have to travel across the map to reach him. Lastly, you're wrong about Flaks owning harvesters, he can just use the harvester gun to easily pick off your flak troopers, he won't be close enough for mines and the gun won't do enough damage.

I tested with my friend using dogs, dog wins about 4 times out of 5 when facing WI's sword. I guess bears will be the same, but i haven't tested.
i also tried, in infinity isle, that when my first dog come to japan's base, it at best can have 2 WI, but my next dog is just behind, while it take you 5 second to build another.
Yes, 3 troopers can handle a havester with gun (without gun, 1 is enough), unless you attack while escaping. well, that's exactly what i want, you just keep off from my bears. than soon my MCV will come and then take care of your harvester, or anything.

[Derek]

I tested with my friend using dogs, dog wins about 4 times out of 5 when facing WI's sword. I guess bears will be the same, but i haven't tested.
Which means the dog didn't attack which means your friend has bad micro. A half decent Empire player wouldn't have even used swords on dogs, the gun will easily kill them first.

i also tried, in infinity isle, that when my first dog come to japan's base, it at best can have 2 WI, but my next dog is just behind, while it take you 5 second to build another.
Then the Empire player is slow.

Yes, 3 troopers can handle a havester with gun, unless you attack while escaping.
3 Flak troopers with the gun can not even get close to killing a harvester.

well, that's exactly what i want, you just keep off from my bears. than soon my MCV will come and then take care of your harvester, or anything.
Oh, so your goal was to crush the harvesters with your MCV. Thats pretty lol. Would never actually work though. The Empire player can just run away with one harvester while mining with the other, then produce Tank Busters and rape your MCV.

[Theomania]

if Wi using gun, 3 dogs can kill all of them. 2 for sacrificing, 1 bark.

3 trooper can handle a harvester with gun. the gun means gun on the harvester.

you can refute all tactics saying the opponent is too weak or slow. you can try yourself, see how many WI you can produce when dogs come.

MCV crushing is just a solution, it can build anyway. and the barrack behind is keeping produce troopers. alright, is it enough if 5 troopers handle a harvester and MCV another and other troopers raze your base?

the door is kept by animals so you can't produce any infantry. you can well build another barracks, but as it come out as car, mines can get rid of it instantly. or engineer can force you to sell it.

[Derek]

Dude, this thread was locked on GR.org for a reason. This strat doesn't work, period the end. But if you want to test it, since we both seem to be awake right now, tell me your username and a time and we can play a game.

[Theomania]

Dude, this thread was locked on GR.org for a reason. This strat doesn't work, period the end. But if you want to test it, since we both seem to be awake right now, tell me your username and a time and we can play a game.

Yeah, I want to, but in china there's no access to online game. now i can only play through network. maybe this year when i come america to attend university i will be able to do so...

anyway, maybe this tactics is really innocent for expert, but as for burtal AI and my friend it works well, lol

[ChopBam]

Derek is correct about the IW sword and bears killing each other 1-1. He is also correct about the IW gun killing dogs. He is also correct about the harvester pwning the flak troopers.

[gho$tface]

but did he mention that sov engineer kills dogs?

[ChopBam]

but did he mention that sov engineer kills dogs?
Was this thread about Allies versus Soviets? I must have missed something...

[Frost Phantom]

just tried it, semi-works on ai cuz they are retarded, dont even have to try this on humans cuz anyone with half a brain would create IWs the moment they can rather than wait till the bloody bears are in their base. and as for running over a harv with the mcv, good luck with that against a human, if they are stupid enough to let it happen then chances are they would have lost regardless of what strategy you used