Which C&C Universe is the best

[DonCarlo]

Official Poll
This is a poll being conducted in the C&C community as part of EA surveys to find community preferences for the new C&C game.

[CrowRbot]

Red Alert. I was first introduced to computer games through RA1, and I have played RA2 the most of any CnC game. I do find the Tiberium universe to be very interesting though. I have completed Tiberian Dawn but never got around to buying Tiberian Sun, so I never got around to playing it too much (I did beat the final Nod mission before the patch came that nerfed artillery though). I would definitely like to see Tiberian Twilight come out soon, as the series evidently will wait through two RA universe games (RA2/YR and RA3) before it has a chance to come out.

I don't consider Generals to be a Command and Conquer game. Too close to reality really to be fitting of the CnC title. Yes, the technology is realistic (for the most part) in the RA and Tiberium universes too, but the premise is based on rather far fetched ideas (Einstein going back in time and killing Hitler, a strange meteor hits Earth and unleashed an alien compound). Generals, on the other hand, was "ripped from today's headlines," which might sound great to EA, but isn't in keeping with the CnC tradition. Furthermore, the lack of live action was missed, at least by me. From Tiberian Dawn onwards, we could expect live actors giving the briefings, but in Generals that was lost. Maybe it's just me, but I just think hovering a number of miles above the Earth as some voice tells me what to do. One of the trademarks of the CnC games was lost on Generals. That's not to say Generals itself was a terrible game, but it didn't fit into the CnC universe.

[Nyerguds]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Seriously... no matter how hard EA tries to force RA2 into the storyline, or even look at it as an alternate ending to RA1, it'll always feel strange.

[Artificial Idiot]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Agreed. Mainly because if anybody knows his stuff, it's Nyerguds... in fact, these polls and topics that are supposedly "offically" from EA are just cementing my view that Nyer actually knows more about CNC than EA themselves. :|

[Statalyzer]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Seriously... no matter how hard EA tries to force RA2 into the storyline, or even look at it as an alternate ending to RA1, it'll always feel strange

The C&C Universe includes all the true C&C Games: RA1, RA2, TS, TD, Renegade.

Generals is not in a C&C Universe because it's not really a C&C game.

[BalZ]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Seriously... no matter how hard EA tries to force RA2 into the storyline, or even look at it as an alternate ending to RA1, it'll always feel strange.

amen to that! Neither RA2/YR or Generals really fits in anywhere in the CNC universe... maybe RA2 ... but definitely NOT generals... so sad that EA uses a name like C&C to sell a RTS game... so sad... it is a great game though ;)

//BalZ

[KrasnyOktyabr]

Hmm, I really liked Red Alert 2, ah well whatever.

I voted Red Alert. I never got into the Tiberium universe, and just looking at Generals makes me want to de-ball myself.

[CrowRbot]

I really like RA2 as well, but if you are trying to tie the RA and Tiberian universes together, as was meant to be during WW's days, RA2 does throw you for a loop. Kane is conspicuously absent- I remember playing the Soviet missions hoping to catch a glance of him, but nothing came up. Quite a disappointment for me as far as the storyline goes, but not too bad considering the gameplay was great.

[DonCarlo]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Seriously... no matter how hard EA tries to force RA2 into the storyline, or even look at it as an alternate ending to RA1, it'll always feel strange.
Well I am not going to argue with that ;)
but i think the thing is focus on is which of the 3 you preferred.
That gives them a better idea of what people like and don't like.

btw thank you to whoever pinned these

[FK47]

Red Alert.

I think it's a more realistic base for a GOOD story, with FMVs... However, it isn't too realistic; there can still be some fun things in there, (chrono, time travel, prism technology etc etc).

[Darkfox]

There IS ONLY ONE C&C UNIVERSE. And it starts with Red Alert 1, continues with C&C1 and goes on with Tiberian Sun and Firestorm.

Seriously... no matter how hard EA tries to force RA2 into the storyline, or even look at it as an alternate ending to RA1, it'll always feel strange.

I'm curious as to why it is so hard for people to accept that WESTWOOD changed thier collective minds after making Red Alert by deciding to unlink the Red Alert series with the Tiberian series. Sure I've played Red Alert's Soviet missions to the end and saw the clip with 'Kane' and I believe that is the only thing in RA(1) that even hinted a possible link between the, back then, 2 cnc games. Also although I don't like either Generals or Renegade, I consider Generals more worthy of being a CnC game then Renegade.

[EliteGi]

Tiberian universe.... I prefered the tiberian storyline, it just felt better. I love the gameplay in both unverses, so I don't really mind. :)

[CrowRbot]

Sure I've played Red Alert's Soviet missions to the end and saw the clip with 'Kane' and I believe that is the only thing in RA(1) that even hinted a possible link between the, back then, 2 cnc games.

Just being picky here, but Kane does appear in other parts of the Soviet campaign. He several times enters the warroom and whispers into Stalin's ear. I think one of these times is when the guy with the beard (Kukov is what I want to say his name was, but I'm most certainly wrong there) is taken out.

One problem that may be rather sticky deals with the actor who plays Kane. I swear I read somewhere that Joe Kucan didn't want to perform the role again, which throws a wrench into the making of TT and tying RA and TD together if the actor who ties them together doesn't want to act as him. Therefore, the alterations in RA2 might simply be damage control as a result of this drastic change.

[Darkfox]

Just being picky here, but Kane does appear in other parts of the Soviet campaign. He several times enters the warroom and whispers into Stalin's ear. I think one of these times is when the guy with the beard (Kukov is what I want to say his name was, but I'm most certainly wrong there) is taken out.


True he does appear several time through out the soviet missions, but I don't remember any of them except for the end movie hinting that the Tiberian and Red Alert games were related(I don't remember the ending well, but I think it's something he says that hints it)

[CrowRbot]

Nadia is the one who says more, predicting the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s (to which Kane nods), when the Brotherhood of Nod will replace it.

I suppose the idea for Kane was to use the USSR as a vehicle to build up his power, so that when the Soviet Union falls, he can rise up. Since the Allied victory is what carries on the timeline, it could be suggested Kane goes into hiding to wait for a better opportunity.

[Marxman123]

Since the Allied victory is what carries on the timeline, it could be suggested Kane goes into hiding to wait for a better opportunity.

And for some strange reason, I hope (probably in vain) that Red Alert 3 will present this opportunity for Kane.
I'm sure they can get another actor pretty easily.

[MooMan65]

While one can argue that the two Universes are connected (and I do agree), at the moment they're quite seperate in terms of timeline and games dicipating it, so we can base our choice choosing the best 'storyline' as opposed to 'univerise'. Generals, well, I don't think we'll need to explain that one much consdering the current results of the poll. :p

Considering the first C&C game I played was the original Tiberian Dawn, I got into the Tiberian scenario before the Red Alert one. However, I've spent the past four and a half years examining the RA2 storyline in detail to help my modding ventures, so it is a bit difficult for me to choose.

In the end I'll pick the Tiberian scenario due to it's depth, atmosphere and overall interesting storyline. RA2 kinda warped the original Red Alert scenario idea so I'm less able to get 'into' it as much. However, it does have a future in the new RA3 game so I'm just glad to be able to go through the hype of a new game continuing one of these storyline's. It's been so long since we've experienced that. But don't mind me, I'm never that critical of games so I'm always interested. :D

[RVMECH]

While one can argue that the two Universes are connected (and I do agree), at the moment they're quite seperate in terms of timeline and games dicipating it, so we can base our choice choosing the best 'storyline' as opposed to 'univerise'. Generals, well, I don't think we'll need to explain that one much consdering the current results of the poll. :p

Considering the first C&C game I played was the original Tiberian Dawn, I got into the Tiberian scenario before the Red Alert one. However, I've spent the past four and a half years examining the RA2 storyline in detail to help my modding ventures, so it is a bit difficult for me to choose.

In the end I'll pick the Tiberian scenario due to it's depth, atmosphere and overall interesting storyline. RA2 kinda warped the original Red Alert scenario idea so I'm less able to get 'into' it as much. However, it does have a future in the new RA3 game so I'm just glad to be able to go through the hype of a new game continuing one of these storyline's. It's been so long since we've experienced that. But don't mind me, I'm never that critical of games so I'm always interested. :D
what he said. tiberian universe

[Bean]

... in fact, these polls and topics that are supposedly "offically" from EA are just cementing my view that Nyer actually knows more about CNC than EA themselves. :|
After Generals was released, I was curious if EA had any idea the basics of the CnC universe. And Until I see a decent CnC game, one that actually ties in with the storyline (the ONE continous storyline) I will continue in that personal opinion.

[Hiigaran]

I voted for redalert. One of the best games I ever played:wired:

[unknowngeneral]

the first cnc game i ever played was RA1, but i still like the Tiberian storyline better (RA2 killed it for me). the reason i like the Tiberian storyline is because its not as realistic as RA, it has a deeper story, more creative and is good enough to become a movie!:chin:

[Wesforce]

I dunno, I played RA1 to death and missed The Tiberium storyline, but Tiberian Sun kind of cheesified it for me a bit, and I wanted RA back, but then RA2 and Yuri's Revenge... Urk :|

I'm happy at least that something is happening with one of those and not the thrice-accursed Generals storyline.

[Nyerguds]

Wes, did you play Firestorm? It does quite some story developement, and I haven't found much cheesiness in it. Basically it takes all progress they had in fighting tiberium and made it crash down on them.

I'm curious as to why it is so hard for people to accept that WESTWOOD changed thier collective minds after making Red Alert by deciding to unlink the Red Alert series with the Tiberian series.WW made RA1 as a prequel to C&C1. RA2 wasn't made by Westwood. So stfu.

Also although I don't like either Generals or Renegade, I consider Generals more worthy of being a CnC game then Renegade.That's true actually... but while Generals might be more towards C&C1 in the way that it's a modern warfare game, in gameplay it's a Warcraft game :|

I suppose the idea for Kane was to use the USSR as a vehicle to build up his power, so that when the Soviet Union falls, he can rise up. Since the Allied victory is what carries on the timeline, it could be suggested Kane goes into hiding to wait for a better opportunity.If you say the Allied victory carries on the timeline, which timeline do you mean? Towards RA2? You can conclude from that that C&C1 happens after the Soviet victory.. but that's about it. RA2 has too many plot holes (Tanya's age & allegiance, the fact they reinvent chrono technology, etc.) to call it a continuation of the RA storyline. It's something between a sequel and a goofy remake.


See, the problem here is that most people started their C&C experience with Red Alert 1 while being totally oblivious of its connection to C&C1. Thus, they bought TS when it was made but never understood much of the history the game was BASED on. And they all swarmed to the idea of EA's RA2, even though the Red Alert storyline couldn't possibly continue, because C&C1 already continued it.
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I read somewhere that Joe Kucan didn't want to perform the role again, which throws a wrench into the making of TT and tying RA and TD together if the actor who ties them together doesn't want to act as him.Actually, Joe has said in many interviews that he was not joking about the fact he'd work for free if EA would let him play Kane in the sequel to Tiberian Sun. It's EA that doesn't want to hire him for it.

[Wesforce]

No, didn't manage to get Firestorm... Been looking for it for ages :(

[Hiigaran]

Man no one seems to like poor old Generals LoL:rofl::rofl::rofl:. Any way I did vote for Red Alert but I like the story in the Tiberian Universe a bit more and I agree with what most of you are saying about Red Alert 2, It wasn't a very good story.

[Marxman123]

Man no one seems to like poor old Generals LoL:rofl::rofl::rofl:.

Oh, there are people that like it well enough. Just that Tib and RA are a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot better.

Notice that Tib and RA are going neck & neck. I wonder which'll win?

[Hiigaran]

Oh, there are people that like it well enough. Just that Tib and RA are a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot lot better.

Notice that Tib and RA are going neck & neck. I wonder which'll win?

I'm with you 100%. The Red Alert and Tiberian Universes are 1337:D

[Darkfox]

WW made RA1 as a prequel to C&C1. RA2 wasn't made by Westwood. So stfu.


Ah, a die hard 'RA and Tib are linked' fan. I hate to point it out to you, but Westwood did make Red Alert 2 and Yuri's Revenge in fact those are the last CnC RTS's they made (with Renegade being the last cnc title period)


That's true actually... but while Generals might be more towards C&C1 in the way that it's a modern warfare game, in gameplay it's a Warcraft game :|


True, unlike Renegade, Generals is an RTS which is what CnC is meant to be.


If you say the Allied victory carries on the timeline, which timeline do you mean? Towards RA2? You can conclude from that that C&C1 happens after the Soviet victory.. but that's about it. RA2 has too many plot holes (Tanya's age & allegiance, the fact they reinvent chrono technology, etc.) to call it a continuation of the RA storyline. It's something between a sequel and a goofy remake.


See, the problem here is that most people started their C&C experience with Red Alert 1 while being totally oblivious of its connection to C&C1. Thus, they bought TS when it was made but never understood much of the history the game was BASED on. And they all swarmed to the idea of EA's RA2, even though the Red Alert storyline couldn't possibly continue, because C&C1 already continued it.
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That's probably because somewhere between Red Alert and Tiberian Sun that Westwood changed CnC's history from Tiberian Dawn/Sun and Red Alert(Counterstrike?/Aftermath)/Red Alert 2(Yuri's Revenge) from a single universe to 2 seperate ones(probably more people enjoyed RA more then TD). So just be quiet and accept that WESTWOOD, not EA, changed CnC's history

[Nyerguds]

CS an Atermath can be pretty much ignored.. just like the covert Ops in C&C1. It's the war behind the scenes... experimental technologies and covert missions. It has little influence on the actual storyline.

That's probably because somewhere between Red Alert and Tiberian Sun that Westwood changed CnC's history from Tiberian Dawn/Sun and Red Alert(Counterstrike?/Aftermath)/Red Alert 2(Yuri's Revenge) from a single universe to 2 seperate ones(probably more people enjoyed RA more then TD). So just be quiet and accept that WESTWOOD, not EA, changed CnC's history
...on what base? Just you saying that? Big fragging lot of good that does :wtf:

And seriously... even if they did... they screwed up. RA fits before C&C1. RA2, as I said, doesn't really fit anywhere. Tanya was a freelance... a mercenary, and thus certainly not an american commando. And if RA2 plays so long after RA1, she'd be a lot older. This isn't about the storyline changing or an "RA timeline" being created... it's about the dozens of plot holes in RA2 that don't make it fit in ANYWHERE.

[Darkfox]

You see, I've noticed that quite a few people have quickly proven people wrong from your 'camp'. Answer me this, if the two are related then how come in either Tiberian game that Ore and Gems don't show up as a secondary way of getting funds?(Sun I'll understand since more then 75% of the planet in supposedly covered in tiberium).

So do us a big favor if you can't accept that and leave the CnC timeline alone because it's not going to be linked no matter how many time you try to link it.

BTW, I added the xpacks so that I wouldn't get nitpicked as why I didn't include them.

[recon sniper]

I liked RA1. What really ****ed the storyline in my opinion is that WW started the story then EA comes in, buy's out or whatever they did, and makes there own and the storyline is totally thrown off. :flame: :flame:

[Statalyzer]

Hiigaran - it's not that Generals isn't a good game as much as it is that Generals isn't a C&C game except for the name, and isn't in a C&C timeline.

Answer me this, if the two are related then how come in either Tiberian game that Ore and Gems don't show up as a secondary way of getting funds?(Sun I'll understand since more then 75% of the planet in supposedly covered in tiberium).

Well RA was created as a prequel to Tiberium Dawn. Therefore those two, at least are related. Ore and Gems are not part of the storyline, even if RA was separate, the story never explains why ore sits all over the surface of earth. They are just there to have a way of making credits, that's all.

Also, RA2 (Not counting YR) doens't have dozen of plotholes. It has 1 or 2. Tanya's age is the big one. The Chronosphere is not a plothole. He creates a completely new and much better Chronosphere. The new Chronosphere has an extended radius (9 units instead of 1), is less intense (infantry are now protected when inside something), and much more stable (doesn't cause time storms/rifts, won't do anything like the Philadelphia experiment did.)

Nadia is the one who says more, predicting the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s (to which Kane nods), when the Brotherhood of Nod will replace it.

I suppose the idea for Kane was to use the USSR as a vehicle to build up his power, so that when the Soviet Union falls, he can rise up. Since the Allied victory is what carries on the timeline, it could be suggested Kane goes into hiding to wait for a better opportunity.

Dingdingdingding! That is why the Nod armed forces start out TD as a behind the scenes organization that is just beginning to be powerful enough to challenge on a large scale.

Sure I've played Red Alert's Soviet missions to the end and saw the clip with 'Kane' and I believe that is the only thing in RA(1) that even hinted a possible link between the, back then, 2 cnc games.

First of all, there are several clips with Kane. Second of all, the Allied mission hint at the Tiberium series when they annouce the forming of an international organization for the purpose of Global Defense (which of course becomes GDI.) If the Allies had lost the war, GDI would not have formed (like the UN - if Germany had won WW2 the UN wouldn't have formed like it did).

[Darkfox]

oh yeah, forgot that TD was made before RA. Who said it needed to be explained why the ore and gems just sit there? recon sniper, I believe WW still had full control over CnC up to and including Renegade so if you're going to blame anyone for the mix up, blame Westwood then.

[Nyerguds]

You see, I've noticed that quite a few people have quickly proven people wrong from your 'camp'. Answer me this, if the two are related then how come in either Tiberian game that Ore and Gems don't show up as a secondary way of getting funds?(Sun I'll understand since more then 75% of the planet in supposedly covered in tiberium).VERY EASY. They wanted to keep the same harvesting system but didn't have tiberium, so they just thought up something else. DUH.
Just like Tiberium was an excuse to use the DuneII-like harvesting method in a modern warfare game... only they were clever enough to build the entire story around it.
They couldn't do that again with RA, so they just took the ore without any further explanation.

So do us a big favor if you can't accept that and leave the CnC timeline alone because it's not going to be linked no matter how many time you try to link it.From the original DOS C&C's readme file:
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7.1 What is COMMAND & CONQUER: RED ALERT?
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RED ALERT is the next Command & Conquer game from Westwood Studios, and is expected to release in the 3rd quarter of 1996, (or sooner!). A FAQ for RED ALERT will be released later on that covers the details of this PREQUEL to COMMAND & CONQUER: TIBERIAN DAWN.This is more proof of the fact they ARE connected than your claim that they 'changed their minds' would be 'proof' of the opposite. Give me evidence and I might believe you. So far your credibility is far below zero. Especially since I heard the RA2 developers admitted RA2 didn't fit into the timeline. Which is of course an unproved claim from my side.. but I got more to offer than that, as you just saw. You don't have ANY proof.

And for the record that piece of C&C1 manual is totally unedited. The word PREQUEL was already in caps :p

[Darkfox]

well it must be only in the DOS version then because I can't seem to find anything that relates to Red Alert as a prequel in C&C Gold(aka CnC 95)'s readme, actually Red Alert is not even mentioned so that may prove that Westwood did indeed changed their minds.

[Nyerguds]

Duh. Obviously it isn't in it... this was meant as teaser. C&C95 is made AFTER RA, so it would be pointless to put a teaser in there about a game that's already out.

Oh, and I am amazed at your stupidity for trying to use that as an argument for your theory, lol :p

Get your facts right before replying. And even then, THINK before posting something. I've enjoyed this discussion so far, but that was just low.

[Darkfox]

So it was a teaser in the DOS version, but why did they not(unlike most companies back then) even have an advertisment for Red Alert to help sell the game even more? Regardless of it being a teaser, I do not see why they took out that bit about Red Alert instead of just editting it, now stfu.

[Nyerguds]

The readme file was completely remade. This wasn't about taking stuff out, this was about leaving stuff out that was obsolete.

And about there not being a Red Alert ad in C&C95... start the game, click "intro & sneek peak". Either watch the game intro or press escape... aaaand... there's your RA ad. Right behind the intro.

[Darkfox]

This wasn't about taking stuff out, this was about leaving stuff out that was obsolete.


Leaving stuff out because it's obsolete? hm...I wonder if that would also mean that the fact Red Alert and Tiberian Dawn were linked was in fact obsolete because Westwood decided otherwise.

[Artificial Idiot]

Leaving stuff out because it's obsolete? hm...I wonder if that would also mean that the fact Red Alert and Tiberian Dawn were linked was in fact obsolete because Westwood decided otherwise.

If that's what you believe, then actually offer up some evidence to prove it. And if you can't, then I think it would be best if you didn't argue with somebody who obviously has a superior grasp of the subject he is talking about than yourself. As it really is getting quite tedious. Thank you.

Anyway, I voted Tiberian. Why? Because is has a more interesting premise and story... especially since RA2 was added to the mix. Making RA just a collection of half thought out faux Sci-fi cliches that would probably be rejected from Dr. Who... And also, if we're going by the status of bald villains.... Kane was just cooler than Yuri. :p

[Nyerguds]

There ya go Darkfox:
Duh. Obviously it isn't in it... this was meant as teaser. C&C95 is made AFTER RA, so it would be pointless to put a teaser in there about a game that's already out. :rolleyes:

Also, cleverly ignoring the fact that I said there IS an RA ad in C&C95 doesn't make it any less true you know.

[Darkfox]

who said I was ignoring that fact? I simply wonder why the ad in c&c 95 doesn't have any reference to it as a prequel. I saw a post Morph made and I know those fact about him and Westwood to be true. Trust me, he must know alot of people there if he could've got banned 25 times from the old RA2 boards(I think it's 25 or 29 times, but I lost count after 14 lol)

[Nyerguds]

The RA teaser in C&C95 was made when the Covert Operations was first released. It was an animation showing some movies & music. Not like it had a release date or game history in it. After all, people could look in the readme file and look there. And even on the Covert Operations CD that came with my C&C95, the bit about Red Alert being the prequel to C&C1 is still in the readme file.

And if you read it somewhere... in a post Morph made... SHOW me that post then. Give me SOME proof. Please. Though I don't see how getting banned a few dozen times can make someone respectable or trustworthy in C&C knowledge.

[Statalyzer]

This is getting really tiresome, and you two seem to be both saying the same thing.

[Nyerguds]

I know. It's starting to annoy me. When I can reply to him by just quoting myself there really isn't much more to be told... I'm outta here.

[dsi1]

i am the tie breaker :evil: and i chose red alert it intro duced me to rts gaming wich is great :)

[FoxURA]

Tiberian all the way! It has a better plot in my opinion than RA and involves the entire world being split entierly between 2 sides vs the smaller factions of each side in RA. After all... How many more times could the Soviets get away with world domination attempts without the Allies getting wise enough to intervene ahead of time?

Looks like I'm the tie setter.

[Statalyzer]

?? It only happened twice, and the second time it was made possible by the Allies having a lot of people's minds taken over.

[KorJax]

OK guys here to clear a few things up:

ALL of the C&C "universes" (from now on ill say series cause thats what they are) are interealted in some way, some more than others. This is an exception with Generals. That pretty much had nothing to do with C&C.

Proof in RA1:

Just look at all the FMV's. Theres tons of "easter eggs" and familar faces in those.

The first obvious one is the install of RA1, it shows an obvious hint by saying the infamous quote by Kane in large letters at the end of install: "Who controls the past, conqores the future... ect ect".

Also, there are tons of factual sources, the largest one is an RA mod that converts the game. This mod is the "after" RA1 for part one, and part two of the mod is the Tiberian Dawn story (with TD units and all), and the storyline of this mod is from offical sources, except the creators streached some parts of it, like how the chronoshift had an effect on the body, Einstien's journal (its HUGE, give very detailed history of chono, and about the TD future), and more. The storyline for this RA1 mod is based off of the orignal storyline for 80% of it, and it is even better than the generic C&C storyline for the RA series IMO. I must say though, although the mod is the best mod ive seen for all of the mods in all of the C&C games, i dont play it becuase the first levels are EXTREMELY hard (its a campange mod BTW).

I belive the RA series was just a "primer" for the Tiberian series. It was one of those "slightly nessicary" things to make a great storyline overall, and it turned out well, so they made a second RA to "expand" on the pre-tiberian aria. I suspect RA3 will be right when the RA and C&C series collide.

Anyways, i voted for RA becuase thats the series i am so familiar with :) . I find the GAMEPLAY a whole lot of fun too. I havent gotten much into the gameplay of the Tib series yet, so thats why i voted RA. Even though, if you see the RA series as just a "universe of its own", the storyline by itself is nothing more than just plain ordinary. But, seeing it as a primer for the Tib series, it becomes so much more


my 2 cent ;)

[Mighty BOB!]

Tiberian for sure. It is the original & I liked TS the best. who likes ore? ore sucks. Tiberuim rules! It mutates stuff &... the most important... it is Green! & it is a crystal plant thingy. Ore doesn't grow, it is mined. mining sucks. Tiberium pwns ore. Tiberium > ore.

I've always liked the Tiberian part better, I think it is cooler because it has more sci-fi whereas Red Alert (while still a very cool & very excellent game) is more based in the past. (I'm a sci-fi nut. w00t go Disruptor, Banshee, & Mammoth Mk II!!!)

[EDIT] + Kane is the most pwning [EDIT]

[Mister Moon]

What made TD and RA good was real-world military units with a sprinkling of sci-fi tech. In either timeline, it doesn't seem likely we'll return to the "glory days." A Tiberian game would be set after TS, where there's already cyborgs, hover tanks, and alien spaceships as standard units. RA2's biggest asset was that it didn't take itself very seriously, and the game designers went nuts and created a bunch of fun, albiet farfetched, units.

TD and RA had a slightly plausible feel to them, which I think is what made them great. TS and RA2 went in a more sci-fi direction which worked for those games, but really hurt the prospect for a sequel of either franchise. A new Tiberian game would likely play like another Starcraft, with GDI (traditional military) vs Nod (guerilla tactics/tiberium mutants) vs Scrinn (advanced technology). RA2 already played enough like a Saturday morning cartoon that RA3 might as well have planes that drop anvils and infantry armed with oversized mallets.

I'm going to express an unpopular opinion that Generals was a step back in the right direction, style-wise. Three sides with modern/near-future weapons duking it out on the battlefield. My big gripe with Generals is the terrorist premise. Either EA took it too far, or didn't take it far enough. It wouldn't be too tough to write an engrossing story about the US, China and a terrorist faction engaged in a global conflict. It would be hard to write such a story without treading on some very dangerous ground. A simple solution would be to remove the terrorists from the story and focus on the US and China (and/or any other superpower). Instead EA gives us a premise that's downright insultingly trite and oversimplified. "We're the good guys" USA and "We're also the good guys, but with goofy accents" China vs. "We like to murder civilians for fun and don't really have any motivation for fighting other than we like to kill the good guys" GLA. Fighting terrorism could work in a RTS, but there would have to be a more in-depth and thought-out system for it than "blow up their base, and terror is gone." Even if such a system were made, it would probably hit a bit too close to home and never be made into a game, especially by a company who plays it as safe as EA.

*takes deep breath*

I'd like to see a continuation of the Tiberium storyline, though I have my doubts about it making a good game, especially one that would feel like C&C. RA2 was fun but cartoony; a sequel would have to keep that feeling fresh. Generals didn't have much of a story to begin with, so I don't think it gets a "universe" of its own.

[Bob_Markey]

Anyways, i voted for RA becuase thats the series i am so familiar with :) . I find the GAMEPLAY a whole lot of fun too. I havent gotten much into the gameplay of the Tib series yet, so thats why i voted RA. Even though, if you see the RA series as just a "universe of its own", the storyline by itself is nothing more than just plain ordinary. But, seeing it as a primer for the Tib series, it becomes so much more




sums up "EXACTLY" how i feel

respect to you

[Ariss(DJ)]

Red Alert universe is my favorite and it's most original , for me .

[sniperelite7]

The first, the only, and the best, Tiberian Sun!

[Wesforce]

The first... Tiberian Sun!

Apart from the fact thats its second in a series, you mean?

[sniperelite7]

For me thats were CnC began I never played Tiberian dawn save for some few moments in my life but Tiberian Sun is where I began to live CnC:D

[shadowofchaos]

I like the Tiberian side and all but mine is Red Alert...... RA2 YR to be more exact... even though it kinda doesn't feel that it is in the storyline because EA took over about that time.....

I do believe there is 1 C&C universe... I just prefer the Red Alert side....

Generals is just NOT a C&C game.... It doesn't feel like the originals... it feels more like warcraft...

The majority of the True C&C fans who have played C&C games before believe that Generals is just garbage (no offense to people that like it)..... It's a pretty RTS game held below the C&C standards though....

[Dalek109]

Red Alert storylines the best by far. The 2 storylines MUST be connected as kane appeared in RA1. If EA (grrr) ever gets rounds 2 RA3 they should connect the lines properly. YR doesnt fit though, :chin: hmm

[Mighty BOB!]

But it does somehow!

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2) Do you favour the original C&C storyline or the Red Alert universe?

Adam Isgreen (Ishmael)[/font]"]I love them both, but I love where we went with the RA universe slightly more. They (were) always planned to be one continuous universe! Someday maybe I'll have the gumption to explain how they tied back into each other. It was pretty cool, if I do say so myself. Yuri fit and everything!
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[Dalek109]

:eek:

[bones2k]

i cant deside
i like Tiberian Sun
but RA2 i can make my own mape the way i like it

[Dalek109]

Try not to reply to anything in these forums that hasn't been replied to in a long time. :color1:

[conquerer]

well the first cnc i played was cnc64 then cnc95 and i know generals doesnt fit with the original cnc title but its a kick ass game to me hope they make a second one i guess alot of yall dont like change, get over it generals is done now i just wish WW would have developed generals instead of EA tho.

[teslagod2003]

only phrase i can say about RA...

"The best there is...the best there was...and the best that ever will be"

i know i took from wrestling catch phrase...but thats what exactly it is for me...though,i never played RA1 missions...lol...only the multi player

i never played TD but i got to play TS for some time...i actually bought a cd...unfortuantely...i dunno where the heck is now...lol...what shock me in the game is that....is it sam neil who is the leader of the GDI?i just never thought sum1 who has made successful movies would be in a game...

about that generals...it devasted the CnC and WW world...i'ved played generals for few times...and i never liked it...they have cool units,though,their storyline and the game graphic is the 1 that i didnt liked myself...

[Wesforce]

Well both James Earl Jones (General Solomon) And Michael Biehn (MacNeil) are successful actors (the former extremely so). Sam Neill has never been in a C&C game though. When C&C1 came out, being in games was seen as below the talents of most film actors (more film them), but Games are taken more seriously now. Thats why you get your James Earl Joneses and your Udo Kiers (Yuri... Who's been in so many films I can hardly list 'em all).

The last James Bond Game on the XBox starred such luminaries as Pierce Brosnan and Willem Dafoe... That would have been unthinkable 5 years ago.

But I digress. Go get C%C1 Now ;) The soundtrack kicks.

[teslagod2003]

oh i tot it was sam neil....i only saw the game movie a few times before i lost the game...so im not that sure...but that guy(the GDI commander) surely looks like sam neil...

i dont think there would be such item here at japan...C%C1

[danielches]

I voted for the tiberin universe!
Even though it is intertied with the RA universe though,
the next game EA makes should defenatly be to continue C&C Tiberian Twilight, then Renagade 2.

C&C was great (with Westwood),but EA stuffed it up by halting work on Tiberian Twilight and renagade 2, to make stupid generals, which is defenatly the worst C&C game ever, the storyline sucks, and it has nothing at all to do we any other C&C game.

The generals universe should never be continued, if it is drop C&C from the title! :)

[Sandboy23]

Command and Conquer Tiberian Sun was the first of C&C games that i was intriduced to, then i got Red alert, this opened my eyes to a new gaming experience, red alert 2 was even better! Then i got Renegade, and the expansions for Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2 this was awsome, but the game that is the most fun and has the most to offer has to be Red Alert, al their series' are great.!! :rofl:

Well thats my opinion!
have fun!:rofl:

[Kane's Retarded Cousin]

Red Alert=:):):):):)
Tiberium=:):):):):)
Generals=:):):):) I don't think the US can be beaten by "Can I have some shoes?"

[Zancloufer27]

Red Alert=:):):):):)
Tiberium=:):):):):)
Generals=:):):):) I don't think the US can be beaten by "Can I have some shoes?"
Its the dirty tactics, not the money. Also, not that I am stealing this post, but I would like people to contribute to my Thread, 'Which C&C is the Best'. Start from pg. one, and imput would be apreaciated.

[Fireboycli]

Agreed. Mainly because if anybody knows his stuff, it's Nyerguds... in fact, these polls and topics that are supposedly "offically" from EA are just cementing my view that Nyer actually knows more about CNC than EA themselves. :|


Fan know more than the maker when the makers of the game keep moving around form one company to the next. So thats not really to suprising.

[MercZ]

I liked the original time-line better, where it went

RA->C&C->TS

With all the sci-fi goodness and time traveling. RA2, which I did like, ended up causing an inconsistency and making it's own universe, but in all regards I still consider RA a part of the Tiberian Universe. Against that or a timeline with RA->RA 2, I prefer the Tiberian Universe, mainly since I like the general story there.

[Dracaveli]

red alert all the way!!!!!! (well all they way up to CNC Red Alert:Retaliation for the Play Station) anyone remember that one??


RA2/yuri is good but the storyline plays like a chevy chase movie

[JJFZ3000]

Red Alert. I was first introduced to computer games through RA1, and I have played RA2 the most of any CnC game. I do find the Tiberium universe to be very interesting though. I have completed Tiberian Dawn but never got around to buying Tiberian Sun, so I never got around to playing it too much (I did beat the final Nod mission before the patch came that nerfed artillery though). I would definitely like to see Tiberian Twilight come out soon, as the series evidently will wait through two RA universe games (RA2/YR and RA3) before it has a chance to come out.

I don't consider Generals to be a Command and Conquer game. Too close to reality really to be fitting of the CnC title. Yes, the technology is realistic (for the most part) in the RA and Tiberium universes too, but the premise is based on rather far fetched ideas (Einstein going back in time and killing Hitler, a strange meteor hits Earth and unleashed an alien compound). Generals, on the other hand, was "ripped from today's headlines," which might sound great to EA, but isn't in keeping with the CnC tradition. Furthermore, the lack of live action was missed, at least by me. From Tiberian Dawn onwards, we could expect live actors giving the briefings, but in Generals that was lost. Maybe it's just me, but I just think hovering a number of miles above the Earth as some voice tells me what to do. One of the trademarks of the CnC games was lost on Generals. That's not to say Generals itself was a terrible game, but it didn't fit into the CnC universe.

The game isn't realistic...

[Jester Kirby]

Tiberian Dawn was really good but I can't stand Tiberian sun. Red alert games have been the best in my opinion. Face paced, units with good weaknesses/strengths. ect. Generals is a nice game, but I have to agree that it isn't a true cnc game.

[dereseem]

i hope to actually link generals to the others in a mod

currently i think like a lot of people that it is not true to cnc

[Cylon Crusader]

Red Alert, without a doubt, I love the fun of it, it isn't serious like generals or tiberium universes. I have played RA games the longest and it was the first universe that I encountered in CNC and it instantly drew me in.

[thetechieotaku]

RA and the Tiberian universes are just at par for me. But I think that the Tiberian is a bit better..

[CADTC]

Official Poll
This is a poll being conducted in the C&C community as part of EA surveys to find community preferences for the new C&C game.
Red Alert series rule!